[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44795588]You fool, the aliens ARE God.[/QUOTE]
praise vanu
It's a peaceful idea I'm sure, but I don't think the first concern after Alien contact is "LET'S CONVERT EM TO JESUS!"
Although Space Jesus would be awesome :v:
[QUOTE=Sio;44795670]Do you understand how hilariously difficult travelling oceans were back when no-one had done it before?[/QUOTE]
Was traveling across the Atlantic hard? Of course it was hard, I doubt anyone would say that it wasn't, however, it only took Columbus 5 to 10 [B]weeks[/B] to sail across the Atlantic ocean, it took the Voyager 1 probe 40 [B]years [/B]to get to the edge of our solar system, and that's an unmanned probe. The time it would take for the Voyager 1 probe to travel to our nearest star from the edge of our solar system would take [B]40,000 years[/B].
Suppose we were to send a crew to Mars, it's estimated that it would take 6 to 8 months. 6 to 8 months in a tin can with a few other people rather than a 20-40 man crew. First you have the issue of being in a big metal can hurtling through space at speeds that Columbus and his crew could not even fathom. Then there's cosmic radiation, the mental health of the crew being stuck in a tin can for several months, no sunlight, no blue sky, no fresh air. There's also the fact that you have to rely on this tin can to not fail during the trip and kill everyone on board, or crash into the planet and kill everyone on board. And even if you land safely you have to deal with the fact that you're on a completely alien world with a different gravity and no atmosphere to breath!
Yes people sailing the open seas had a lot of things to worry about too, scurvy, mutinies, storms at sea, and pirates. But the time scales, difficulties, and technicalities between traveling across the ocean and traveling across interstellar space (and space in general) are so vastly different it's hardly comparable.
At the end of the day though everything is relative to the time period that one lives in.
[QUOTE=Sio;44795582]Pretty sure he was just trying to be edgy.[/QUOTE]What the fuck does this even mean anymore? I swear it's used more like a buzzword than anything else, no substance, no meaning.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44795696]Then why would you assume that a spacefaring race wouldn't still be religious?[/QUOTE]Becoming a spacefaring species requires a lot of changes, on the societal level, the governmental level, the economic level, and even the religious level. Unless an entire alien race is both technologically powerful and fanatically religious where they would want to spread their beliefs across the galaxy, I doubt that's the case though, religion is already becoming more and more unattractive as the years go on these days, mainly thanks in part to the world becoming more globally connected and the creation of the Internet (which is literally the greatest repository of knowledge we have ever conceived).
A highly religious spacefaring species isn't impossible, just very unlikely since space is more closely associated to science than it is religion.
not even going to bother replying Sio? Just going to hide behind the ratings system? At least I explained to you why you're being dumb. I would have PMed you this instead but you have PMs disabled. You should enable them so we can take this discussion elsewhere
Oh dear. Whoever seriously thought what the pope said was actually about the possibility of space-faring aliens coming down and asking for a baptism is an idiot, but I suspect this is more of a case of trying to start a pointless religious argument. I guess no one tried to even read the article, where you would find statements such as:
"On baptism, Francis has stressed that it should not be refused to anyone, especially to children whose parents may be breaking Church rules, such as living together as an unmarried couple."
He talked about "little green men from mars" for fucks sake.
Regarding the possibility of religion in a space-faring race of aliens, there seems to be a ton of completely baseless and opinionated arguments getting thrown around. We have no idea what an intergalactic/interplanetary race would be like. Absolutely none! Just making stuff up as you go to support your arguments is no way to debate.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;44795317]oh im sure aliens will just be dying for christianity[/QUOTE]
Maybe aliens have dumb UFO cultists too.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44795348]your missing the point completely, sure from an "educated" standpoint it's silly because it's just a [B]ritual where they splash some water on you,[/B] but I think the point he's making is that the 1 billion people who follow the religion he leads should be open and accepting of people no matter where they come from, and that's not an exclusively religious concept.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c2jp8WyXms[/media]
"Aliens destroy earth from orbit after water scandal."
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44795963]It's a peaceful idea I'm sure, but I don't think the first concern after Alien contact is "LET'S CONVERT EM TO JESUS!"
Although Space Jesus would be awesome :v:[/QUOTE]
I'm personally curious as to how our guests would react to our request to partially drown them.
[QUOTE=Killer900;44796007]Becoming a spacefaring species requires a lot of changes, on the societal level, the governmental level, the economic level, and even the religious level. Unless an entire alien race is both technologically powerful and fanatically religious where they would want to spread their beliefs across the galaxy, I doubt that's the case though, religion is already becoming more and more unattractive as the years go on these days, mainly thanks in part to the world becoming more globally connected and the creation of the Internet (which is literally the greatest repository of knowledge we have ever conceived).
[B]
A highly religious spacefaring species isn't impossible, just very unlikely since space is more closely associated to science than it is religion.[/B]
not even going to bother replying Sio? Just going to hide behind the ratings system? At least I explained to you why you're being dumb. I would have PMed you this instead but you have PMs disabled. You should enable them so we can take this discussion elsewhere[/QUOTE]
As far as [I]we're [/I]concerned, yes. There's no reason at all to assume that their religion would be the same; they could have a particularly sacred tenant that says "thou shalt unravel the mysteries of the universe as objectively as possible".
I know its not a very good example, but in the Halo games weren't the aliens worshipping ancient super technology or something? Like to the point where they would gladly go genocidal on another alien race?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44797735]As far as [I]we're [/I]concerned, yes. There's no reason at all to assume that their religion would be the same; they could have a particularly sacred tenant that says "thou shalt unravel the mysteries of the universe as objectively as possible".[/QUOTE]That sounds more like science than religion, unless you're talking about a scientific religion which is a bit of a contradiction.
[QUOTE=Killer900;44799571]That sounds more like science than religion, unless you're talking about a scientific religion which is a bit of a contradiction.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the belief that (a/your)God is the universe and so to get closer to understanding God, you have to explore and discover and understand the universe. That's hardly contradictory.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44799603]I dunno, the belief that (a/your)God is the universe and so to get closer to understanding God, you have to explore and discover and understand the universe. That's hardly contradictory.[/QUOTE]True, the definition of a religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe..." although that's just one of many different definitions. I guess I'm just arguing semantics at this point. Maybe there is an alien species out there whose religious beliefs involve studying and understanding the Universe so as to become more spiritually closer to it, I wonder what they would be like..
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;44795331]Any race that has the technology to travel across the universe in any efficient fashion probably phased out religion a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
You've clearly never heard of the Imperium of Man, the Covenant, the Foundation, or pretty much read any space faring sci-fi novels ever, have you?
Read title as "Pope Francis to offer Bishop from Aliens"
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;44795599]Unless they turn out to be some sort of highly advanced Space Mormon equivalent.
"Greetings, travelers from a distant star! We, the people of the planet Earth, welcome you with open-"
"S͇̘o̘̝̩͇̮̕r̼͓̜ͅr̪̲̺̤̮̱y͖͠ t̼̜̮͔̼̠̼o̰͔̖̦͖̯͕ ̢̹i̞͙͖n̰̩̜te̴̝̜̳͖r̙̣̭͟r̨̟̦̪͔̼u̸̬̩͔͙p̥͈͙ṱ,͉̖̣͉̭͈͡ b͓̹͉u͟t̗ ̼͕̩͕̮̘d͕̪̪͇̫̣o͓̹̦̱̫ ͔y̼̤͇̱̟o̗̹̫̭͚̹u̯͎ ͉̦̼͙̖͟h͏͕a̷͔͇͍̲v͖͓̲̕ę͈̩͈̥͙ ̙͙͚̗ṭ̢̪̜̼͖͙͔i͔̮̻̞͓m̮͖̗̘̭̺͔̕e͈͓̱̘̲̻̤ ̦t͚̭̪o̤ ̧̠͎̩͇̩̜̗l͞e̕a̝̱͙̫͠r̲̠͍̘͈͞n̳̠̭̟ ̼͉͓̼̙͉̙mo̬̦͓r̖ę͕̜͔͉̝̱ͅ ͏̩͇̳͇̻ͅa̛̮̖̮b̻̮̩̝̩o̧͚̯͙u͖t̪̱̺̺̹͓̹ ̢̮̲̮̤o̟͎̳͇̺ͅu̪̥̠r̳̥͞ ̰Ĺ̰̩͉̬̩̙͓o͙̮̼r̤̖͝d̫̪̠̲̪ ̗̻̘͡a̴̖ņd͉̞̮̝̯̦̭ ̱͘Ś̲̞̣̥̩̬̠a̪͎v͕͙̝̝i͏̞͓͖ͅo̩̟̫̞͓ṵ̭̼̀r̝̻̹̲͢,͏̬ ͎͚͕͉̗D͏̠̻̳b͠y̼͇o̟̠͡r̩̝͙̠͎t̳̮̫ͅk̷̥̱̺?͕̻͈͈̖"[/QUOTE]
I remember reading a long time ago a short story by Lovecraft that was basically Cthulhu's Mormons :v:
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;44795331]Any race that has the technology to travel across the universe in any efficient fashion probably phased out religion a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
Glory to Spode
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44799921]You've clearly never heard of the Imperium of Man, the Covenant, the Foundation, or pretty much read any space faring sci-fi novels ever, have you?[/QUOTE]
None of those are based in reality however, the Imperium of Man literally has proof of divinity given that enough faith in the Emperor can empower you, or enough faith/devotion in a certain Chaos God can also net you gains, still not possible though if we ever met a race capable of such things our race would probably start worshiping new gods.
The Covenant's religion is a misguided theology based on the false belief that the Forerunners are gods, so unless the supposed alien race finds advanced technology and bases a religion on said technology I think we'll be fine.
I haven't read the Foundation so i'll leave that one out.
If you want more of a more believable scenario I think it would more than probably go like this.
[video=youtube;uvmtHGwRSuQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmtHGwRSuQ[/video]
A future where every belief is equal.
[QUOTE=jonu67;44800258][video=youtube;uvmtHGwRSuQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmtHGwRSuQ[/video]
A future where every belief is equal.[/QUOTE]I wish I could live a thousand years just to see an age like this.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;44795331]Any race that has the technology to travel across the universe in any efficient fashion probably phased out religion a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
Any race that managed to pick us out of the innumerable planets in the universe probably came here for a reason.
[QUOTE=Masterofstars;44800505][IMG]http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/comment/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%BE%D0%BF-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC-%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8-809969.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
actual footage of the Most Holy MasterPope of Facepunchism crusading against Rust players
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;44795409]If another intelligent species managed to find its way to Earth, or if humans manage to find our way to another intelligent species, religion would no longer be a factor.[/QUOTE]
Not really? Religion has been a part of human society for centuries and it likely always will be. People will always need faith and something to hold onto. Organized religion as [B]we[/B] know it might fade, but the concept of religion will remain forever.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44801218]The fact there is 1 atheist in the world disproves this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, uh, no. Please enlighten me as to how the existence of atheism negates religion. I'm not religious myself and I believe it's rather bunkum but I can definitely see why people hold faith and why some people need it as a comfort. If you're incapable of understanding that and just think that religion is [B]entirely[/B] a vector for oppression then you need to open your eyes.
And note that I say [I]people.[/I] Not [I]ALL[/I] people. Not everyone needs or wants religion, but some people do.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44801218]The fact there is 1 atheist in the world disproves this.[/QUOTE]
yeah but even atheists have disagreements when it comes to belief. unless we do the impossible and solve literally every mystery in the universe, people will always believe in different things
I don't think religions will ever die, and that's probably for the best - with the increased scientific understanding religions in the mainstream have moved on far, far from superstition and now are way more concerned with addressing peoples feeling over things and providing a source of support to them and i doubt either of those things will ever be tossed aside as long as humans exist as some sort emotional creatures
[editline]13th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killer900;44799661]True, the definition of a religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe..." although that's just one of many different definitions. I guess I'm just arguing semantics at this point. Maybe there is an alien species out there whose religious beliefs involve studying and understanding the Universe so as to become more spiritually closer to it, I wonder what they would be like..[/QUOTE]
well, isn't that our religion now? we're doing pretty well on the first and second part of that definition, although i think the third is too subjective to ever be conclusively identified, even if we're in a simulation with a set purpose it's very likely we're incredibly different from the creators, and in failing to understand them we'll find in the gaps as best we can by projecting ourselves into them
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;44797667]I'm personally curious as to how our guests would react to our request to partially drown them.[/QUOTE]
I'd be very much surprised if they were happy to accept an Earth Religion.
To Counter Argue all those who say Religion doesn't do anything really great, I point to these.
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/NotreDameDeParis.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02376/mecca-mosque_2376801k.jpg[/t]
[t]http://www.wondermondo.com/Images/Europe/Russia/Moscow/StBasils.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44801413]Why do people NEED a blind trust in something irrational? Please let me know why.
I don't think anyone needs it. It's kind've an easy way out of bad situations, just staying ignorant how things are and believing a divine being "has a plan for you!!"
Ignorance is bliss, etc etc[/QUOTE]
that's not what religion is at all?? religion in the modern world is to provide support for people, to provide a community for people. it's a solution for people to the problem of why the exist, and basic guidelines on how to behave and exist, it gives people the belief that they exist for a reason
Why do people NEED to not trust? To not believe in something that they like, which helps them in many ways, just because it is irrational? Please let me know why
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44795348]your missing the point completely, sure from an "educated" standpoint it's silly because it's just a ritual where they splash some water on you, but I think the point he's making is that the 1 billion people who follow the religion he leads should be open and accepting of people no matter where they come from, and that's not an exclusively religious concept.[/QUOTE]
While that's a cool message, I can't help but cringe a little bit at the thought of Extraterrestrials visiting earth, bringing with them technology, advice, knowledge, and we greet them in return with
"Have you heard the good word?"
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