Indiana officers left woman naked for hours after force-stripping, pepper-spraying her
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[QUOTE=confinedUser;45061884]no they'll get paid leave [B]pending the results of an Internal Affairs investigation, which may result in them being arrested and tried[/B]. That's usually what happens.[/QUOTE]
ftfy. As is always covered in this type of thread, when this type of thing happens there are plans put in motion to investigate what happens, you just don't hear it because it doesn't make as exciting headlines.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;45071013]Her human rights have been violated, regardless of what she actually did she shouldn't of been treated that way especially by Police officers.[/QUOTE]
What should they do then?
You have a combative prisoner who physically resists any and all attempts at restraint and attacks officers. They didn't beat her or even taze her. They used four officers to strip her (which happens anyways. If you violently resist, they are gonna strip search you.) And left her naked to calm her down. Relatively standard. The pepper spray is undoubtedly a fuckup and moving her naked is questionable.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45071297]ftfy. As is always covered in this type of thread, when this type of thing happens there are plans put in motion to investigate what happens, you just don't hear it because it doesn't make as exciting headlines.[/QUOTE]
How often does that usually work out though?
I mean, lists dedicated to incidents of police brutality are littered (majority, in fact) with cases where the judge either finds them not guilty, or gives them a slap on the wrist.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45072887] And left her naked to calm her down. [/QUOTE]
Why are you allowed to exist in society if you think this is a proper way to treat a human being. "Oh we'll just strip her and leave her naked for [I]hours on end [/I] that'll be A-Okay".
[QUOTE=The Spike;45070686][QUOTE=GunFox;45070303]She threatened officers, resisted arrest, and attempted to kick an officer. The video then has some creative cuts which still fail to cut out the fact that she is obviously resisting as hard as she can. She is stripped because you can cow most people fairly effectively without violence by removing thebir clothes.
They only actually cross the line at the pepper spray. Even then they can arguably pepper spray you, they just have to render aid as soon as possible. Pepper spray is rough in an enclosed space.[/QUOTE]
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holy fuck you just got owned lol!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45073014]Why are you allowed to exist in society if you think this is a proper way to treat a human being. "Oh we'll just strip her and leave her naked for [I]hours on end [/I] that'll be A-Okay".[/QUOTE]
She was left naked in a cell to cool her jets. Happens every day across the US.
Prisoner human rights violations happen constantly and you are concerned with like the only thing that isn't actually a violation. They are tasked with keeping prisoners safe. If leaving one naked for a while calms her down so you don't have to physically harm her and allows her to be returned to the communal cell safely, then great. Otherwise she is stuck in isolation for long periods of time, which is most certainly torture.
Meanwhile in prison she can be raped, but nobody will do anything about it because she has to pay for her own rape kit, which she probably can't afford.
Or looking at her face, she likely only has her lawyer because the lawyer is expect to receive a payday from suing the police. Otherwise she would have a public defender, who are worse than useless.
Or the fact that she could be placed in a prison thousands of miles away or in a private for-profit facility.
This shit happens every day. No. I don't find being left naked alone for a few hours terribly concerning.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45072887]What should they do then?
You have a combative prisoner who physically resists any and all attempts at restraint and attacks officers. They didn't beat her or even taze her. They used four officers to strip her (which happens anyways. If you violently resist, they are gonna strip search you.) And left her naked to calm her down. Relatively standard. The pepper spray is undoubtedly a fuckup and moving her naked is questionable.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what backwater part of the country you're from but it's not "relatively standard" to arrest someone, strip them with probably a few hits here and there, pepper spray them and then leave them in a cell for four hours while that shit is burning them all over. Maybe you just live under a rock but i fucking [I]guarantee[/I] you wouldn't be happy if it happened to you or someone you cared about.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;45073192]I don't know what backwater part of the country you're from but it's not "relatively standard" to arrest someone, strip them with probably a few hits here and there, pepper spray them and then leave them in a cell for four hours while that shit is burning them all over. Maybe you just live under a rock but i fucking [I]guarantee[/I] you wouldn't be happy if it happened to you or someone you cared about.[/QUOTE]
Watch the video. They grab her and restrain her, but do not assault her beyond what is necessary.
Again, I agreed from the start that you can't pepper spray people and leave them. You have to immediately render aid if possible. Pepper spray in small rooms fucking suuuucks.
this is my fetish
[QUOTE=GunFox;45073232]Watch the video. They grab her and restrain her, but do not assault her beyond what is necessary.
Again, I agreed from the start that you can't pepper spray people and leave them. You have to immediately render aid if possible. Pepper spray in small rooms fucking suuuucks.[/QUOTE]
I was pepper sprayed for $50 once. I'd rather work at McDonalds than do that again.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45073147]She was left naked in a cell to cool her jets. Happens every day across the US.
Prisoner human rights violations happen constantly and you are concerned with like the only thing that isn't actually a violation. They are tasked with keeping prisoners safe. If leaving one naked for a while calms her down so you don't have to physically harm her and allows her to be returned to the communal cell safely, then great. Otherwise she is stuck in isolation for long periods of time, which is most certainly torture.
Meanwhile in prison she can be raped, but nobody will do anything about it because she has to pay for her own rape kit, which she probably can't afford.
Or looking at her face, she likely only has her lawyer because the lawyer is expect to receive a payday from suing the police. Otherwise she would have a public defender, who are worse than useless.
Or the fact that she could be placed in a prison thousands of miles away or in a private for-profit facility.
This shit happens every day. No. I don't find being left naked alone for a few hours terribly concerning.[/QUOTE]
so can you name any other first world countries that randomly pepper spray and strip people as a penalty for resisting arrest
[editline]11th June[/editline]
this is what gets me is that you jump to defend things that coincide with your interests under the pretense of maintaining personal freedom (like you know guns), but here you are acting like stripping a woman naked, detaining her for some time and hitting her with pepper spray is a cool thing to do. almost like you're a narrow-interested hypocrite or something
[QUOTE=GunFox;45073232]Watch the video. They grab her and restrain her, but do not assault her beyond what is necessary.
Again, I agreed from the start that you can't pepper spray people and leave them. You have to immediately render aid if possible. Pepper spray in small rooms fucking suuuucks.[/QUOTE]
If they have her restrained is it necessary to strip her naked and pepper spray her? Just put her in a fucking drunk tank and there won't be any issues. If you did this to anyone and weren't a police officer you'd be put away for a long time.
[QUOTE=Cone;45074122]so can you name any other first world countries that randomly pepper spray and strip people as a penalty for resisting arrest[/quote]
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488885/Prison-officers-allowed-use-batons-15-year-olds.html[/url]
Pepper spray is replaced with beatings in UK prison.
And strip searching children in vast numbers:
[url]http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-26608611[/url]
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this is what gets me is that you jump to defend things that coincide with your interests under the pretense of maintaining personal freedom (like you know guns), but here you are acting like stripping a woman naked, detaining her for some time and hitting her with pepper spray is a cool thing to do. almost like you're a narrow-interested hypocrite or something[/QUOTE]
Or maybe I've worked in the industry and know what it is like to be spit on, stabbed, and attacked. Getting ahead of a situation and controlling people so they stop fighting is extremely important for inmate safety. Yes, it isn't pretty, BUT NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN A PRISON IS PRETTY. Everything from breakfast to bedtime is about restraining and controlling the lives of humans. It is universally soul destroying.
You are right. I am a hypocrite. I understand more than anyone how necessary it is to be a dick to prisoners. Even when you like them. It is how you keep you AND THEM safe. But I couldn't do it to people anymore and had to quit. I recognize the need for many of the actions, but it will make you sick eventually. So yeah, I am absolutely a hypocrite, I know it has to be done, I just don't want to do it. But unlike you, I've been there, I've done that. I know the reasoning and I know the consequences for failure to stay two steps ahead of everyone in your care.
[editline]11th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=reedbo;45074186]If they have her restrained is it necessary to strip her naked and pepper spray her? Just put her in a fucking drunk tank and there won't be any issues. If you did this to anyone and weren't a police officer you'd be put away for a long time.[/QUOTE]
If she is violent you don't put her with other prisoners. You isolate her until she cools off. Once you can reason with her, you can place her with the rest of the inmates.
The pepper spray was likely done because she was banging on the door for a solid hour. There are likely other cells that may have prisoners in them who may be trying to sleep at five am. Yes the guards should have endless patience for the banging, but it is reasonable for other prisoners to request that the guards silence her. Her banging can result in a bunch of sleep deprived angry prisoners. Pepper spray can't be deployed without a saline wash though. That is unacceptable.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45074579][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488885/Prison-officers-allowed-use-batons-15-year-olds.html[/url]
Pepper spray is replaced with beatings in UK prison.
And strip searching children in vast numbers:
[url]http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-26608611[/url]
Or maybe I've worked in the industry and know what it is like to be spit on, stabbed, and attacked. Getting ahead of a situation and controlling people so they stop fighting is extremely important for inmate safety. Yes, it isn't pretty, BUT NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN A PRISON IS PRETTY. Everything from breakfast to bedtime is about restraining and controlling the lives of humans. It is universally soul destroying.
You are right. I am a hypocrite. I understand more than anyone how necessary it is to be a dick to prisoners. Even when you like them. It is how you keep you AND THEM safe. But I couldn't do it to people anymore and had to quit. I recognize the need for many of the actions, but it will make you sick eventually. So yeah, I am absolutely a hypocrite, I know it has to be done, I just don't want to do it. But unlike you, I've been there, I've done that. I know the reasoning and I know the consequences for failure to stay two steps ahead of everyone in your care.[/QUOTE]
the first example there is from seven years ago and the article is even about the policy being reviewed and changed because of a violent deterrent (literally the exact thing you're arguing in favor of) being completely ineffective against prisoners, and the second was neither a penalty nor did it have anything to do with the prison system.
also, you're saying that your country accepts how bad the practices are but knows that they can't be changed - the people arguing against the usage of batons in the first link actually offer far better ideas than randomly pepper spraying and stripping people, so that's your point gone isn't it? even when you try and look better than everyone else you still come off worse.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45074579]
If she is violent you don't put her with other prisoners. You isolate her until she cools off. Once you can reason with her, you can place her with the rest of the inmates.
The pepper spray was likely done because she was banging on the door for a solid hour. There are likely other cells that may have prisoners in them who may be trying to sleep at five am. Yes the guards should have endless patience for the banging, but it is reasonable for other prisoners to request that the guards silence her. Her banging can result in a bunch of sleep deprived angry prisoners. Pepper spray can't be deployed without a saline wash though. That is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
What do you think a drunk tank is for? It's solitary confinement in a padded room until you're no longer drunk or aggressive.
I've been through the system so we're both speaking from experience. Unfortunately your experience is operating the system, not being on the receiving end. It's a shame how some of these people are treated and not a second though goes into it because "oh, well they're a prisoner so they deserve it" or "It's a necessary precaution for everyone's safety". You know, in a lot of countries this is considered torture.
What they did to this woman is dehumanizing, immoral, unjust and cruel punishment for someone who hasn't even been proven guilty of a crime yet and I can't believe you're sitting at your computer defending these crooked officers.
[QUOTE=Cone;45075075]the first example there is from seven years ago and the article is even about the policy being reviewed and changed because of a violent deterrent (literally the exact thing you're arguing in favor of) being completely ineffective against prisoners, and the second was neither a penalty nor did it have anything to do with the prison system.
also, you're saying that your country accepts how bad the practices are but knows that they can't be changed - the people arguing against the usage of batons in the first link actually offer far better ideas than randomly pepper spraying and stripping people, so that's your point gone isn't it? even when you try and look better than everyone else you still come off worse.[/QUOTE]
The policy for KIDS was in question there because the comprise 3 percent of the prison population but 11 percent of serious assaults. The point there was that adults are beaten with batons.
Of course the alternative is pepper spray or being totally unarmed. Of course even dealing with kids they apparently suffer considerably by being unarmed.
The people in the link offer no useful alternatives to arming CO's.
She was warned not to continue or she would be pepper sprayed. She continued. That is the opposite of random. A warning was given and she continued to be disruptive.
[editline]11th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=reedbo;45075131]What do you think a drunk tank is for? It's solitary confinement in a padded room until you're no longer drunk or aggressive.
I've been through the system so we're both speaking from experience. Unfortunately your experience is operating the system, not being on the receiving end. It's a shame how some of these people are treated and not a second though goes into it because "oh, well they're a prisoner so they deserve it" or "It's a necessary precaution for everyone's safety". You know, in a lot of countries this is considered torture.
What they did to this woman is dehumanizing, immoral, unjust and cruel punishment for someone who hasn't even been proven guilty of a crime yet and I can't believe you're sitting at your computer defending these crooked officers.[/QUOTE]
The drunk tank is usually a communal cell. There are also holding cells which can have the bedding removed and can serve as solitary tanks. You'll note she is in a room with no bedding.
Yes. This is dehumanizing. So is tazing people and locking them in a cage. Welcome to the justice system. It is basically all awful.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45075405]The policy for KIDS was in question there because the comprise 3 percent of the prison population but 11 percent of serious assaults. The point there was that adults are beaten with batons.
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Thats also the daily mail, which is probably the worst british [I]tabloid[/I] you could pick as a source.
Basically you have to take anything the Daily Mail says with an ocean of salt.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45075661]Thats also the daily mail, which is probably the worst british [I]tabloid[/I] you could pick as a source.
Basically you have to take anything the Daily Mail says with an ocean of salt.[/QUOTE]
The point is that batons are used in place of of spray.
[url]https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/psipso/pso/pso-1600.doc&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGfnKMPaemd91TQyFO669UgNVC3yQ&sig2=TF5WW0iHCn6SpILFSWNuNg[/url]
Oc spray hurts but virtually never has lasting consequences. A beating can easily result in fractures.
This isn't the US justice system. This is just what prison looks like. Basically all violent offenders will be stripped. Usually their clothes will be returned, but failure to cooperate may see them left naked.
The issue arises at the point of pepper spray, not at the stripping. That is a clear violation of any code of conduct.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45075808]The point is that batons are used in place of of spray.
[url]https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/psipso/pso/pso-1600.doc&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGfnKMPaemd91TQyFO669UgNVC3yQ&sig2=TF5WW0iHCn6SpILFSWNuNg[/url]
Oc spray hurts but virtually never has lasting consequences. A beating can easily result in fractures.
This isn't the US justice system. This is just what prison looks like. Basically all violent offenders will be stripped. Usually their clothes will be returned, but failure to cooperate may see them left naked.
The issue arises at the point of pepper spray, not at the stripping. That is a clear violation of any code of conduct.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I draw the line at the stripping. There's a difference between being stripped and dressed in a jail uniform and being stripped only to be left naked for five hours. Why are you still trying to justify this behavior?
[QUOTE=GunFox;45070303]She threatened officers, resisted arrest, and attempted to kick an officer. The video then has some creative cuts which still fail to cut out the fact that she is obviously resisting as hard as she can. She is stripped because you can cow most people fairly effectively without violence by removing thebir clothes.
They only actually cross the line at the pepper spray. Even then they can arguably pepper spray you, they just have to render aid as soon as possible. Pepper spray is rough in an enclosed space.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what stupid-ass redneck police academy gave you your diploma and I don't care what over-funded over-militarized police department gave you your badge, if a man tries to strip my clothes off I'm gonna kick, scream, wail, whatever.
[QUOTE=The golden;45076007]Just to throw even more logic into this:
If the woman was making too much noise by banging on the door, don't you think she would possibly make even more noise when she feels like her entire body is being set on fucking fire when her naked body is covered in pepper spray? (and then left to sit like that for 40 minutes).
Again, arrest and give these pieces of shit torture charges.[/QUOTE]
Someone told me that some on this forum constantly defend rednecks with guns whenever they shoot kids on the grounds of self-defense.
So people will say that's okay, but when a woman feels, rightly might I add, threatened and fearful for her life because she's being attacked by men she should just take it because they're granted authority by the state? People are crazy!
[QUOTE=GunFox;45075808]The point is that batons are used in place of of spray.
[url]https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/psipso/pso/pso-1600.doc&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGfnKMPaemd91TQyFO669UgNVC3yQ&sig2=TF5WW0iHCn6SpILFSWNuNg[/url]
Oc spray hurts but virtually never has lasting consequences. A beating can easily result in fractures.
This isn't the US justice system. This is just what prison looks like. Basically all violent offenders will be stripped. Usually their clothes will be returned, but failure to cooperate may see them left naked.
The issue arises at the point of pepper spray, not at the stripping. That is a clear violation of any code of conduct.[/QUOTE]
Brits got both the design of their Batons, and the training for it, from US Manuals.
[QUOTE=reedbo;45075898]Nah, I draw the line at the stripping. There's a difference between being stripped and dressed in a jail uniform and being stripped only to be left naked for five hours. Why are you still trying to justify this behavior?[/QUOTE]
Because when people are face with what the justice system is actually like, they show near universal revulsion at the practices. The problem comes from the inability of people outside of the industry to distinguish between what is a necessary component and what is malicious or torture.
Even assuming you remove the pepper spray and naked component you still lock her in a featureless room for hours and hours. Solitary confinement will result in negative symptoms almost immediately following being placed in the cell. They only get worse the longer you are in there. But for her safety and the safety of the officers, they still torture her in this fashion. Solitary is no joke.
But all the same nobody questions that. The stripping is done for similar reasons and to speed the process. The faster they calm down, the quicker you get them out of there. Continuing to bang on the door is likely exactly why she was left in there for so long without clothes. If the prisoners are disruptive and you give them stuff, it creates a problem.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45076117]Because when people are face with what the justice system is actually like, they show near universal revulsion at the practices. The problem comes from the inability of people outside of the industry to distinguish between what is a necessary component and what is malicious or torture.
Even assuming you remove the pepper spray and naked component you still lock her in a featureless room for hours and hours. Solitary confinement will result in negative symptoms almost immediately following being placed in the cell. They only get worse the longer you are in there. [B]But for her safety and the safety of the officers, they still torture her in this fashion[/B]. Solitary is no joke.
But all the same nobody questions that. The stripping is done for similar reasons and to speed the process. The faster they calm down, the quicker you get them out of there. Continuing to bang on the door is likely exactly why she was left in there for so long without clothes. If the prisoners are disruptive and you give them stuff, it creates a problem.[/QUOTE]
So are you defending all of these practices or not? Which of them do you disagree with? Or are you morally bankrupt by the system like all of the other police officers that are trained to harass and subdue the general public? Also, last I checked you don't torture people to protect anyone. This situation could have been resolved without violating someone.
[QUOTE=niel12_5D;45075918]I don't care what stupid-ass redneck police academy gave you your diploma and I don't care what over-funded over-militarized police department gave you your badge, if a man tries to strip my clothes off I'm gonna kick, scream, wail, whatever.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't reccomend it. Especially if they don't have extra CO's on hand. The constitutionality of strip searches has been upheld. If they have multiple CO's you will likely hurt yourself trying to escape. Even if you are innocent, especially if you are innocent, don't fight. Injuring a CO doing their job is going to be a charge by itself. At that point the arrest has occurred and violence will make the situation way worse for you, though I understand the impulse.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45076155]I wouldn't reccomend it. Especially if they don't have extra CO's on hand. The constitutionality of strip searches has been upheld. If they have multiple CO's you will likely hurt yourself trying to escape. Even if you are innocent, especially if you are innocent, don't fight. Injuring a CO doing their job is going to be a charge by itself. At that point the arrest has occurred and violence will make the situation way worse for you, though I understand the impulse.[/QUOTE]
Do you? Do you really understand the impulse? I don't think you've ever been put in a situation where armed authority has unlimited control over you.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45076155]I wouldn't reccomend it. Especially if they don't have extra CO's on hand. The constitutionality of strip searches has been upheld. If they have multiple CO's you will likely hurt yourself trying to escape. Even if you are innocent, especially if you are innocent, don't fight. Injuring a CO doing their job is going to be a charge by itself. At that point the arrest has occurred and violence will make the situation way worse for you, though I understand the impulse.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what you "reccomend" sitting behind a monitor on "Facepunch Studios". Just the idea that you'd err on the side of people who are supposed to protect our community and its relations with the people in it, when this woman is doing what any woman with any will to live would do, is insane.
You know, I used to work at an out-care group for homeless people in the city of San Francisco. Quit because it was emotionally draining, can you tell me what a homeless person living in San Francisco is likely to think about when you mention the word police?
It's rhetoric like that which makes minorities already vulnerable to police abuse like that scared out of their head whenever they see people in uniform. It's not the bruises from the beatings they'd get which will heal, it's the people not even on the scene who will try to weasel out a justification, whether it's for whatever crazy reason you have or because the police should "clean up the streets".
[QUOTE=GunFox;45076117] The problem comes from the inability of people outside of the industry to distinguish between what is a necessary component and what is malicious or torture...
Solitary confinement will result in negative symptoms almost immediately following being placed in the cell. They only get worse the longer you are in there. But for her safety and the safety of the officers, they still torture her in this fashion. Solitary is no joke.
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If the purpose of solitary is to break an inmate and to make them docile that's pretty fucked. That's a system just waiting to precipitate out responses driven by anxiety and desperation. In that context it isn't unreasonable for someone to respond with cries for help or aggravated behaviors. That sort of system just promotes subhuman treatment and thinking and probably won't do anything to solve the actual issues. It's just a convenient way to deal with the symptoms of the problem and just produces nothing but more injustice.
In any context this sort of treatment of any person shouldn't be seen as right or necessary. Sure, I can understand resorting to this after years and years of dealing with fearful and often belligerent people as a coping mechanism, but it says a lot about the penal system as a whole if people have to resort to this. At any rate, I'm glad you got out of that business because I know I couldn't do that shit. Sounds like absolute hell for all parties involved and I can only hope things improve. No one should have to be dehumanized, and no one should have to be in a position where dehumanizing others is considered to be the best option.
Sorry GunFox but I'm against you on this one.
May i ask did you work at a state prison or county jail? Because I worked in a jail which housed both convicts and inmates. In this article we're dealing with a county jail and this woman was being booked in. So she hasn't been convicted of shit and she has a shit ton more rights then a convict at this point.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45070303]She threatened officers, resisted arrest, and attempted to kick an officer. The video then has some creative cuts which still fail to cut out the fact that she is obviously resisting as hard as she can. She is stripped because you can cow most people fairly effectively without violence by removing thebir clothes.
They only actually cross the line at the pepper spray. Even then they can arguably pepper spray you, they just have to render aid as soon as possible. Pepper spray is rough in an enclosed space.[/QUOTE]
I've been in a few uses of force, hell we had a gun go off in booking and not once did we strip people down. Don't know what SOP's that fucking place you had work. But FORCEFULLY stripping someone down who isn't suicidal then spraying them and leaving them in a cell for 5 hours is pretty fucked. Normally you render medical aid after the use of force is done and decontaminate (IE clean inmate off and move to new cell. Then the old cell is cleaned up), you don't leave someone in a cell to "cook" (as we called it) unless they're super fucking aggressive, but at that point a restraint chair should be used to maintain control.
Even if she was fighting them, stripping her makes no fucking sense to me. I've had shit like this happen and normally we would just leg-sweep and take them straight to the ground. After that cuffs are used and then a restraint chair is brought out. After the inmate is secured they're placed in a holding cell by themselves and checked every 15 minutes and medical staff check the inmates heart rate every hour or so to make sure they're not going to go in to medical distress from the chair. After 5 hours (Which is a long ass time in the chair) someone should be letting her out to use the restroom and get water, etc.
This is coming from me who worked at a fucked up place that has had many bad situations - including deaths.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45075808]The point is that batons are used in place of of spray.
[url]https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/psipso/pso/pso-1600.doc&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGfnKMPaemd91TQyFO669UgNVC3yQ&sig2=TF5WW0iHCn6SpILFSWNuNg[/url]
Oc spray hurts but virtually never has lasting consequences. A beating can easily result in fractures.
This isn't the US justice system. This is just what prison looks like. Basically all violent offenders will be stripped. Usually their clothes will be returned, but failure to cooperate may see them left naked.
The issue arises at the point of pepper spray, not at the stripping. That is a clear violation of any code of conduct.[/QUOTE]
OC is a great tool, however it can cause damage if it isn't deployed correctly. There are fucking side-effects, rare but none the less have been documented. Your eyes are extremely sensitive organs and can be damaged by OC Spray. Don't know what kinda place you worked at but I've never stripped a violent offender down. Only time I stripped people down was due to the risk of suicide - even then they're given a anti-suicide smock.
[QUOTE=GunFox;45073147]Prisoner human rights violations happen constantly and you are concerned with like the only thing that isn't actually a violation.[/QUOTE]
attn gunfox you have no idea what human rights are or how they work or why they exist if you think this isn't a human rights violation. they're laws to defend the dignity of a human being, and being forcibly stripped and left in that state for hours is something that directly opposes that. sure maybe it isn't as painful as torture or beatings but it's just as degrading, and is (actually) addressed by the body of human rights legislation. so. shh.
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