North Korea 'giving nuclear material to Iran, Syria' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=faze;26079426]The UN is a big gaping vagina?[/QUOTE] The UN is a big gaping American controlled vagina. [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Moose;26079433][B]lol[/B] that pretty much nails it[/QUOTE] Shut up.

[QUOTE=RayDark;26079460]The UN is a big gaping American controlled vagina.[/QUOTE] What isn't American controlled nowadays?

people keep complaining about 'american control' if they hate it so much, why don't you all just get up and fucking do something about it already?

[QUOTE=Moose;26079487]people keep complaining about 'american control' if they hate it so much, why don't you all just get up and fucking do something about it already?[/QUOTE] Then you get shot by the CIA for trying to overthrow the government.

because your governments secret agencies are more innocent than ours oh please, spare me the bullshit if you don't have the game to be a boss player then deal w/ it

[QUOTE=kidwithsword;26046339]Iran is led by an[B] insane anti-Semite[/B] who[B] refuses to acknowledge that the Holocaust is a historical event that actually occurred[/B]. Who knows what the fuck he'll do if he actually gets his hands on nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] You're a dumbass. Who the fuck cares if he's anti-semite? The Jews are as much a race as the Christians or Buddhists. Fucking zero. The only reason the have that title is because they inhabit Israel, which is stolen land, and so that they can call you racist for being against them. Time and time again this has proven to be true even if the ignorant refuse to see through it. And he didn't deny the holocaust, he wanted a review of it. Because people are so fucking sensitive over that shitty little event, the minute you question anything about either side in the holocaust, you are automatically an anti-semite and holocaust denier. He's not insane. He is made out to be insane. How the fuck would an idiot rise to so much power? [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;26079469]What isn't American controlled nowadays?[/QUOTE] Israel. [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Moose;26079487]people keep complaining about 'american control' if they hate it so much, why don't you all just get up and fucking do something about it already?[/QUOTE] Yeah, right. [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Moose;26079544]because your governments secret agencies are more innocent than ours oh please, spare me the bullshit if you [B]don't have the game to be a boss player then deal w/ it[/B][/QUOTE] :doh: That's not how it works. Speak to daddy about politics.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;26043902]I'm trying to think of a recent event where the UN HAS actually stepped in, but I can't think of one. What are they good for?[/QUOTE] The UN was pretty much meant to be the world police, and they were at first, with the Korean War. But now the US has taken over.

if anyone else thinks someone was better fit for the job, please say so now because im not seeing a whole lot of fucks given

[QUOTE=Moose;26079827]if anyone else thinks someone was better fit for the job, please say so now because im not seeing a whole lot of fucks given[/QUOTE] Better fit for what job? Policing the world? Yeah, that was the UN's job. America is heavily biased and as such should not have so much power over the UN.

new world order

[QUOTE=RayDark;26079576]You're a dumbass. Who the fuck cares if he's anti-semite? The Jews are as much a race as the Christians or Buddhists. Fucking zero.[/QUOTE] Same about Palestinians then. I find no difference between them and any other resident of the local area of the middle east. At least Jews look different from the population that surrounds them. [QUOTE=RayDark;26079576]And he didn't deny the holocaust, he wanted a review of it.[/QUOTE] Actually, nope- [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4529198.stm[/url] "Mr Ahmadinejad made the comments while speaking on live TV in the south-eastern city of Zahedan. "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he said." [QUOTE=RayDark;26079576]He's not insane. He is made out to be insane. How the fuck would an idiot rise to so much power? [/QUOTE] You don't have to be smart in order to become a leader, you just need a good PR campaign. Also, George W. Bush.

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;26080439] Actually, nope- [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4529198.stm[/URL] "Mr Ahmadinejad made the comments while speaking on live TV in the south-eastern city of Zahedan. "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he said." [/QUOTE] Actually, nope- (Not full version) [release]"The German government condemned the repetitive offending anti-Israel statements by Ahmadinejad to be shocking. Such behaviour is not tolerable, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier stated. [...] Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel proclaimed Ahmadinejad's statements to be 'inconceivable'" (published by [URL="http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID5046484,00.html"] tagesschau.de[/URL] 2005-12-14. But not only the German Foreign Minister Steinmeier and the Federal Chancellor Merkel allege this, but the Bild-Zeitung, tagesschau.de, parts of the peace movement, US-President George W. Bush, the 'Papers for German and international politics', CNN, the Heinrich-Böll-Foundation, almost the entire world does so, too: Iran's President Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust. What is this assertion based on? In substance it is based on dispatches of 2 days - 2005-12-14 and 2006-02-11. "The Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stepped up his verbal attacks against Israel and the Western states and has denied the Holocaust. Instead of making Israel's attacks against Palestine a subject of discussion 'the Western states devote their energy to the fairy-tale of the massacre against the Jews', Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday in a speech at Zahedan in the south-east of Iran which was broadcasted directly by the news-channel Khabar. That day he stated that if the Western states really believe in the assassination of six million Jews in W.W. II they should put a piece of land in Europe, in the USA, Canada or Alaska at Israel's disposal." - dispatch of the German press agency [URL="http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/:Iran-Die-Gefahr-Nahen-Osten/551450.html?eid=553073&s=2&nv=ex_rt"] DPA[/URL], 2005-12-14. The German TV-station [URL="http://www.n24.de/politik/ausland/index.php/n2005121409162900002"] n24[/URL] spreads the following on 2006-12-14 using the title 'Iran's President calls the Holocaust a myth': "The Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has stepped up his verbal attacks against Israel and called the Holocaust a 'myth' used as a pretext by the Europeans to found a Jewish state in the center of the Islamic world .[B] 'In the name of the Holocaust they have created a myth and regard it to be worthier than God, religion and the prophets' the Iranian head of state said."[/B] The Iranian press agency [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0512149877153313.htm"] IRNA[/URL] renders Ahmadinejad on 2005-12-14 as follows: "'If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.' [...] 'If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there.' [...] Ahmadinejad said some have created a myth on holocaust and hold it even higher than the very belief in religion and prophets [...] The president further said, 'If your civilization consists of aggression, displacing the oppressed nations, suppressing justice-seeking voices and spreading injustice and poverty for the majority of people on the earth, then we say it out loud that we despise your hollow civilization.'" There again we find the quotation already rendered by n24: [B] "In the name of the Holocaust they created a myth."[/B] We can see that this is completely different from what is published by e.g. the DPA - the massacre against the Jews is a fairy-tale. What Ahmadinejad does is not denying the Holocaust. No! It is dealing out criticism against the mendacity of the imperialistic powers who use the Holocaust to muzzle critical voices and to achieve advantages concerning the legitimization of a planned war. This is criticism against the exploitation of the Holocaust. [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/"] CNN[/URL] (2005-12-15) renders as follows: "If you have burned the Jews why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel. Our question is, if you have committed this [B]huge crime[/B], why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?" The Washingtonian ''[URL="http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=963"]Middle East Media Research Institute[/URL]' (MEMRI) renders Ahmadinejad's statements from 2005-12-14 as follows: "...we ask you: if you indeed committed this great crime, why should the oppressed people of Palestine be punished for it? * [...] If you committed a crime, you yourselves should pay for it. Our offer was and remains as follows: If you committed a crime, it is only appropriate that you place a piece of your land at their disposal - a piece of Europe, of America, of Canada, or of Alaska - so they can establish their own state. Rest assured that if you do so, the Iranian people will voice no objection." The MEMRI-rendering uses the relieving translation 'great crime' and misappropriates the following sentence at the * marked passage: "Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions." This sentence has obviously been left out deliberately because it would intimate why the Israeli state could have forfeited the right to establish itself in Palestine - videlicet because of its aggressive expansionist policy against the people of Palestine, ignoring any law of nations and disobeying all UN-resolutions. In spite of the variability referring to the rendering of the statements of Iran's President we should nevertheless note down: the reproach of denying the Holocaust cannot be sustained if Ahmadinejad speaks of a great and huge crime that has been done to the Jews. In another [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0512143109174339.htm"] IRNA-dispatch[/URL] (2005-12-14) the Arabian author Ghazi Abu Daqa writes about Ahmadinejad: "The Iranian president has nothing against the followers of Judaism [...] Ahmadinejad is against Zionism as well as its expansionist and occupying policy. That is why he managed to declare to the world with courage that there is no place for the Zionist regime in the world civilized community." It's no wonder that such opinions do not go down particularly well with the ideas of the centers of power in the Western world. But for this reason they are not wrong right away. Dealing out criticism against the aggressive policy of the Western world, to which Israel belongs as well, is not yet anti-Semitism. We should at least to give audience to this kind of criticism - even if it is a problematic field for us. 2006-02-11 Ahmadinejad said according to [URL="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0602115001164557.htm"] IRNA[/URL]: "[...] the real holocaust should be sought in Palestine, where the blood of the oppressed nation is shed every day and Iraq, where the defenceless Muslim people are killed daily. [...] 'Some western governments, in particular the US, approve of the sacrilege on the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), while denial of the >Myth of Holocaust<, based on which the Zionists have been exerting pressure upon other countries for the past 60 years and kill the innocent Palestinians, is considered as a crime' [...]" The assertion that Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust thus is wrong in more than one aspect. He does not deny the Holocaust, but speaks of denial itself. And he does not speak of denial of the Holocaust, but of denial of the Myth of Holocaust. This is something totally different. All in all he speaks of the exploitation of the Holocaust. The Myth of Holocaust, like it is made a subject of discussion by Ahmadinejad, is a myth that has been built up in conjunction with the Holocaust to - as he says - put pressure onto somebody. We might follow this train of thoughts or we might not. But we cannot equalize his thoughts with denial of the Holocaust. If Ahmadinejad according to this 2006-02-11 condemns the fact that it is forbidden and treated as a crime to do research into the Myth of Holocaust, as we find it quoted in the [URL="http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1034"] MEMRI[/URL] translation, this acquires a meaning much different from the common and wide-spread one. If the myth related to the Holocaust is commuted to a 'Fairy Tale of the Massacre' - like the [URL="http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/:Iran-Die-Gefahr-Nahen-Osten/551450.html?eid=553073&s=2&nv=ex_rt"] DPA[/URL] did - this can only be understood as a malicious misinterpretation. By the use of misrepresentation and adulteration it apparently succeeded to constitute the statements of the Iranian President to be part and parcel of the currently fought propaganda battle. It is our responsibility to counter this. Concluding: A dispatch by Reuters confirms 2006-02-21: "The Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki has [...] repudiated that his state would want the Jewish state Israel 'wiped off the map'. [...] Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. 'Nobody can erase a country from the map.' Ahmadinejad was not thinking of the state of Israel but of their regime [...]. 'We do not accredit this regime to be legitimate.' [...] Mottaki also accepted that the Holocaust really took place in a way that six million Jews were murdered during the era of National Socialism." The next step is to connect the Iranian President with Hitler. 2006-02-20 the Chairman of the Counsil of Jews in France (Crif) says in Paris: "The Iranian President's assertions do not rank behind Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'". Paul Spiegel, President of the Central Counsil of Jews in Germany, 2005-12-10 in the 'Welt' qualifies the statements of Ahmadinejad to be "the worst comment on this subject that he has ever heard of a statesman since A. Hitler". At the White House the Iranian President is even named Hitler. And the German Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel as well moves over Iran's President towards Hitler and National Socialism by saying 2006-02-04 in Munich: "Already in the early 1930's many people said that it is only rhetoric. One could have prevented a lot in time if one had acted... Germany is in the debt to resist the incipiencies and to do anything to make clear where the limit of tolerance is. Iran remains in control of the situation, it is still in their hands." All this indicates war. Slobodan Milosevic became Hitler. The result was the war of the Nato against Yugoslavia. Saddam Hussein became Hitler. What followed was the war the USA and their coalition of compliant partners waged against Iraq. Now the Iranian President becomes Hitler. And someone who is Hitler-like can assure a hundred times that he only wants to use nuclear energy in a peaceful way. Nobody will believe him. Somebody like Hitler can act within the scope of all contracts. Acting contrary to contract will nevertheless be imputed to him. "Virtually none of the Western states recognize that uranium enrichment is absolutely legal. There is no restriction by contract or by the law of nations. Quite the contrary: Actually the Western countries would have the duty to assist Iran with these activities, according to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. As long as a state renounces the bomb it is eligible for technical support by the nuclear powers." (Jörg Pfuhl, ARD radio studio Istanbul 2006-01-11) But - all this does not count if the Head of a state is stigmatized as Hitler. [/release] This "holocaust denial" was supposed to be put the rest when he finally clarified in an interview: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09/24/2007-09-24_irans_president_i_dont_deny_holocaust-3.html[/url] But it's still brought up every now and then intentionally for the sole purpose of spreading bullshit. I've seen Haaretz bring it up the most now. [quote] You don't have to be smart in order to become a leader, you just need a good PR campaign. Also, George W. Bush.[/QUOTE]Implying Bush was mentally insane. In regards to the article above (Created in 2006), the initial part which I left out went on to explain and use facts to back up that he did NOT say he'll wipe Israel off the map. Thankfully, it is now well known he didn't, a simple Google search will answer that question. It's only a matter of time the same happens for his "supposed Holocaust denial"

[quote=moose;26076758]my grandma is from [b]south korea[/b], and she fucking hates it too, because she actually lived through all the destruction it caused in the [b]vietnam war[/b] era.[/quote] wtf

[QUOTE=starpluck;26080737]Actually, nope- (Not full version) [/QUOTE] Quote from article- "I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all," Then why did he say it in the first place? Why did he say "the holocaust is a myth" rather then "the number of deaths in the holocaust is not accurate?" Just because someone says "That's not really what I meant" doesn't make it automatically true. It's a great way to piss off the people you hate without sustaining any consequences. [QUOTE=starpluck;26080737]Implying Bush was mentally insane.[/QUOTE] In no way did I even mention bush as mentally insane. He was a dumbass and got elected not because he was smart and intelligent, but because he used good public relations. [QUOTE=starpluck;26080737]In regards to the article above (Created in 2006), the initial part which I left out went on to explain and use facts to back up that he did [b]NOT say he'll wipe Israel off the map.[/b] [/QUOTE] The translation used by the press- "The occupying regime should be wiped off the map" The "correct" translation of what he said- "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" HEY GUYS, HE SAID TOMATO INSTEAD OF TAMATO, SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME THING

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;26081107]Quote from article- "I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all," Then why did he say it in the first place? Why did he say "the holocaust is a myth" rather then "the number of deaths in the holocaust is not accurate?" Just because someone says "That's not really what I meant" doesn't make it automatically true. It's a great way to piss off the people you hate without sustaining any consequences. [/QUOTE] You clearly did not read what I pasted. He didn't retract any statements he made at all. [B]He never said[/B] "the holocaust is a myth" in the first place. I don't know why you posted that, but I'm assuming it's due to your lack of reading what I posted. Read. Think. Post. [quote]The translation used by the press- "The occupying regime should be wiped off the map" The "correct" translation of what he said- "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" HEY GUYS, HE SAID TOMATO INSTEAD OF TAMATO, SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME THING[/quote]Not even close. The initial translation was "Israel must be wiped off the map". What he really said was "The Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time [B] just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out[/B]" That's called a huge fucking difference. (I'm assuming you know how the Soviet Union collapsed)

If you guys saw one of my previous posts it shows the Iranians are buddies with Israel or at least neutral.

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;26081107]Quote from article- "I'm not saying that it didn't happen at all," Then why did he say it in the first place? Why did he say "the holocaust is a myth" rather then "the number of deaths in the holocaust is not accurate?" Just because someone says "That's not really what I meant" doesn't make it automatically true. It's a great way to piss off the people you hate without sustaining any consequences. In no way did I even mention bush as mentally insane. He was a dumbass and got elected not because he was smart and intelligent, but because he used good public relations. [B]The translation used by the press-[/B] "The occupying regime should be wiped off the map" The "correct" translation of what he said- "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" HEY GUYS, HE SAID TOMATO INSTEAD OF[B] TAMATO[/B], SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME THING[/QUOTE] [I] USED BY THE PRESS[/I]. BBC is the FOX news of Britain. Also it's tomatoe, smart-ass. And no, it isn't the same thing when translated from a different fucking language. [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Random94;26081279]If you guys saw one of my previous posts it shows the[B] Iranians are buddies with Israel [/B]or at least neutral.[/QUOTE] No they are not. Trust me.

[QUOTE=Random94;26081279]If you guys saw one of my previous posts it shows the Iranians are buddies with Israel or at least neutral.[/QUOTE] nope

[QUOTE=RayDark;26081292]No they are not. Trust me.[/QUOTE] Well if you saw this video he looks quite freindly around them dont you think [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxv9li6dc4M&playnext=1&list=PL86E0DC87E5A6C8F3&index=45[/url]

[QUOTE=Random94;26081356]Well if you saw this video he looks quite freindly around them dont you think [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxv9l...6C8F3&index=45[/url][/QUOTE] Borked url

[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26043759]So what? Let them trade if they wish. Hurr durr, we get nuclear technology but they can't![/QUOTE] I thought Karl Marx was supposed to be intelligent.

Also according to wikipedia Israel diplomatically viewed iran as a potenital ally (this is when Khomeini was still around) due to it being non arab country which could help israel so they are just doing it for the press. [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=RayDark;26081383]Borked url[/QUOTE] Fixed it [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxv9li6dc4M&playnext=1&list=PL86E0DC87E5A6C8F3&index=45[/url]

[QUOTE=starpluck;26081267] Not even close. The initial translation was "Israel must be wiped off the map". What he really said was "The Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time [B] just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out[/B]" That's called a huge fucking difference.[/QUOTE] So what? Wishing that a state will be wiped off of existence is still wrong, it still smells of severe hatred and it even sounds a little threatening. Why not "cease from doing wrong to the Palestinian people"? Why not "mend it's ways and stop the illegal settlements"? Why not "stop being such dicks"? He could have said anything, [b]anything[/b] and yet he chose words that slightly imply of a threat. Why?

[QUOTE=Random94;26081356]Well if you saw this video he looks quite freindly around them dont you think [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxv9li6dc4M&playnext=1&list=PL86E0DC87E5A6C8F3&index=45[/url][/QUOTE]Ah that's true. I heard about it. That doesn't mean he likes Israel though. He likes Jews a lot, he even used to be a Jew himself. Also: [IMG]http://www.hurryupharry.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/karta_ahmadinejad.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Random94;26081403]Also according to wikipedia Israel dilomatically once viewed iran as a potenital ally (this is when Khomeini was still around) due to it being non arab country which could help israel so[B] they are just doing it for the press[/B].[/QUOTE] And thus you prove our point. Iran would rather be sanctioned to death than help Israel, so why the fuck would Israel not view them 'as a potential ally', I mean, it's great for the press, 'Hey guys, you hate us let's be allies! No? Okay I'm telling the world you're bad'. derp

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;26081446]So what? Wishing that a state will be wiped off of existence is still wrong, it still smells of severe hatred and it even sounds a little threatening. Why not "cease from doing wrong to the Palestinian people"? Why not "mend it's ways and stop the illegal settlements"? Why not "stop being such dicks"? He could have said anything, [B]anything[/B] and yet he chose words that slightly imply of a threat. Why?[/QUOTE] That's not a military threat and you know it. So what if he wishes Israel to collapse like the Soviet Union, that doesn't mean "he's going to wipe Israel off the map!! No medical nuclear power for you!" Saying you will wipe another nation off the map is a threat, saying you wish another nation collapsed like the Soviet Union is[B] NOTHING [/B]at all.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26081467]Ah that's true. I heard about it. That doesn't mean he likes Israel though. He likes Jews a lot, he even used to be a Jew himself. Also: [img_thumb]http://www.hurryupharry.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/karta_ahmadinejad.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] No he is a shia (his father was a shia cleric also), also as i said if the iranians hated israel they wouldnt have acepted military aid from them in the 80s

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;26081446]So what? Wishing that a state will be wiped off of existence is still wrong, it still smells of severe hatred and it even sounds a little threatening. Why not "cease from doing wrong to the Palestinian people"? Why not "mend it's ways and stop the illegal settlements"? Why not "stop being such dicks"?[I] He could have said anything, [B]anything[/B] and yet he chose words that slightly imply of a threat. Why?[/I][/QUOTE] Imply is not a word used in politics, ever, because people like you view it in a completely stupid way.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;26043902]I'm trying to think of a recent event where the UN HAS actually stepped in, but I can't think of one. What are they good for?[/QUOTE] There's a word to describe it, I know it. Oh wait, nothing.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26081517]That's not a military threat and you know it. So what if he wishes Israel to collapse like the Soviet Union, that doesn't mean "he's going to wipe Israel off the map!! No medical nuclear power for you!" Saying you will wipe another nation is a threat, saying you wish another nation collapsed like the Soviet Union is[B] NOTHING [/B]at all.[/QUOTE] I don't care about Iran getting civilian nuclear power, nor did I imply that it was a military threat. But you can't exactly say that he didn't really mean it-this was obviously a well thought provocation. He knew Israel and some of the western world would jump on it as soon as they see it, and then he would have no problem to make them look like complete dumbasses. It's political trolling.