• Elon Musk on Trump: 'I think we may see some surprising things from the next administration'
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[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;51632398]The war in afghanistan isnt even actually a war and we don't really need technological innovation to kill a bunch of third world rag-tag insurgents. I think what they're trying to get across is that an arms race spurs innovation. The threat of nuclear war and total annihilation isn't good by any means but the side effect of all that military innovation like nuclear power, memory foam, microwaves, etc. is a plus especially when you manage to win that arms race peacefully. [editline]now[/editline] Just take a look at computers for example. They started out as huge machines made for calculating where to shoot artillery and now we have something infinitely more powerful in the pockets of almost every person that lets us access all the world's information.[/QUOTE] Soldiers are dying against an armed enemy = "not a war" Just keep moving the goal post I guess. I wasn't aware both sides had to have equal size and power for it to be a [I]real[/I] conflict.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51632512]Soldiers are dying against an armed enemy = "not a war" Just keep moving the goal post I guess. I wasn't aware both sides had to have equal size and power for it to be a [I]real[/I] conflict.[/QUOTE] I mean he's kinda correct that it's a more evenly matched wars are the ones that really breed innovation. But a war against insurgents is still a war.
Am I the only one hoping we don't enter a new cold war in this fucking thread.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51632130]I disagree, we wouldnt have gone to the moon or done half the shit we did in space if it werent for the cold war and the practical use for rocketry in ICBMs. Not to mention shit like the microwave, jet engine, and tons of other stuff that came out of the second world war.[/quote] even assuming that is all true (several of those you listed are civilian developments entirely), you are speaking as though it were all somehow responsible. what are you using as the basis of the argument to say that war was necessary for these developments and inventions? the 19th century saw a massive outpouring of innovation ranging from telegraphs, telephones, railways, steam engines, electricity, lightbulbs, internal combustion engines, heavy industry, flight, etc despite the fact that on the whole it was a relatively peaceful century in the West from about 1815 to 1914. [quote]Not to mention the production that came out of second world war brought the US out of the depression.[/QUOTE] the USA already left the depression before WW2 and living standards had exceeded that of 1929 by 1940
I've gotta be honest, considering how many things he's toned down and stepped back from since actually becoming president-elect, I think Musk might be right. Y'know, as usual.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51631789]No thank you, I don't like needless death.[/QUOTE] He didn't exactly word it in the best light but he's not wrong. Not that we should regress to the days of the Cold War but personally I wouldn't mind seeing competition between the likes of the US and China in terms of space exploration. War itself is a crock of shit though.
Musk is meeting with several of Trump's aides at the Trump tower again: [url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-01-06/elon-musk-meets-trump-aides-in-nyc[/url]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51632305]I hope you're sent to the front lines then[/QUOTE] I signed up for the draft the day I turned 18, so probably. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51632357]The US has been at war for nearly 20 years now in Afghanistan; please explain the numerous innovations that have resulted from that conflict. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] Especially the ones that will help and grow humanity as a whole, not just the ones that help kill people faster.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51632130] Its because the US hasnt faced a real threat since the cold war. Theres no sense in dumping money into RnD when your enemy lives in caves. And for the record, theres been large leaps in the past few years in military tech. Drones, rail guns, laser weaponry, stealth tech, ect.[/QUOTE] [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51632712]even assuming that is all true (several of those you listed are civilian developments entirely), you are speaking as though it were all somehow responsible.[/quote] Some are civilian inventions yes, but the basis and the research for them came out of weapons research and development. Jet engines...well jet fighters in the late 30's and early 40's, microwaves from radar and research into "death ray" weaponry. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51632712] what are you using as the basis of the argument to say that war was necessary for these developments and inventions? [/quote] I'm not using any basis for that argument because thats not the argument I'm making. Not at any point did I say that war is [i]necessary[/i] for innovation and new tech, I'm saying that it encourages it and quickens the process. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51632712] the 19th century saw a massive outpouring of innovation ranging from telegraphs, telephones, railways, steam engines, electricity, lightbulbs, internal combustion engines, heavy industry, flight, etc despite the fact that on the whole it was a relatively peaceful century in the West from about 1815 to 1914. [/quote] Again, never said that war was necessary for innovation, it just encourages and quickens. You could argue that radio, telegraphs, flight, and motor vehicles saw some pretty decent advancement during the first world war for obvious reasons. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51632712]the USA already left the depression before WW2 and living standards had exceeded that of 1929 by 1940[/QUOTE] [quote] Though the relief and reform measures put into place by President Franklin D. Roosevelt helped lessen the worst effects of the Great Depression in the 1930s, the economy would not fully turn around until after 1939, when World War II kicked American industry into high gear.[/quote] One of the first lines on history.com's page for the great depression. America began it's war production in 1939 and continued it until after 1945 and thats what spurred American industry back into gear.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51632712]even assuming that is all true (several of those you listed are civilian developments entirely), you are speaking as though it were all somehow responsible. what are you using as the basis of the argument to say that war was necessary for these developments and inventions? the 19th century saw a massive outpouring of innovation ranging from telegraphs, telephones, railways, steam engines, electricity, lightbulbs, internal combustion engines, heavy industry, flight, etc despite the fact that on the whole it was a relatively peaceful century in the West from about 1815 to 1914. the USA already left the depression before WW2 and living standards had exceeded that of 1929 by 1940[/QUOTE] All of those things rapidly improved in quality, effectiveness, and our understanding of those things improved, because of war and their uses in war. I don't think war is a great motivator, but it's a great financier.
[QUOTE=war_man333;51631851]What's the point in taking us off Earth if there's no one left on Earth anyway?[/QUOTE] Oh don't worry about that, you just need to kill just enough people in order to initiate innovation :eng101:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51633581]All of those things rapidly improved in quality, effectiveness, and our understanding of those things improved, because of war and their uses in war. I don't think war is a great motivator, but it's a great financier.[/QUOTE] I don't get why Cyke Lon Bee is getting so much shit for what he said. It is the truth, sad or not. We are still advancing technologically no doubt due to militaristic applications of said experiments first, consumer applications later. The amount of money every government on earth pours into RDT&E draws a lot of attention from businesses and scientists alike.
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;51634200]I don't get why Cyke Lon Bee is getting so much shit for what he said. It is the truth, sad or not. We are still advancing technologically no doubt due to militaristic applications of said experiments first, consumer applications later. The amount of money every government on earth pours into RDT&E draws a lot of attention from businesses and scientists alike.[/QUOTE] It's a sad reality no one wants to acknowledge. War is good for industry, the economy, and for technology. It sucks thats the way it is, but that is the way it is.
You're not wrong about that. But your opinion isn't very nice. [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] Yes it's the way it is but it's the quote 'so be it', like there is no alternative to war, we must innovate through war. So be it? What about the millions that could die? Do you even know what war means? I do. I'm war man.
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