Climate change warnings for coral reef may have come to pass, scientists say - Polidicks

[QUOTE=adamsz;49988086]To be honest, Humanity deserves what it has coming. This could be a mercy kill if it puts us all out of our routine misery of making the world even worse than we found it. I just hope I'll die quickly. I may have never been loved in life, but then again, neither are the people responsible for this mess.[/QUOTE] Don't cut yourself on that edge.

[QUOTE=adamsz;49988086]To be honest, Humanity deserves what it has coming. This could be a mercy kill if it puts us all out of our routine misery of making the world even worse than we found it. I just hope I'll die quickly. I may have never been loved in life, but then again, neither are the people responsible for this mess.[/QUOTE] Deserves? Since when do innocent people deserve the injustice of a death outwith their control? Have we truly made the world worse? Does not the efforts of the many multitudes of scientists and artists in addition to the numerous others who produce cultural and scientific works make up for our mistakes? If the people responsible for this mess are unloved and deserve to die, why not show yourself to be better to them through your actions and to rise above it? Would that not justify the right of humanity to exist?

[QUOTE=Joekirk;49987992]I have no problem with humanity going back to simply surviving again if it means we live. We were simply surviving for a long time before we got to where we are now. So long as we live, we can adapt. The longer we 'survive' the higher the probability of us thriving once more becomes. We may be entering one of the darkest eras we've ever faced, or we may not. But I have no doubt that Mankind will endure. We fall, but we fall to rise again. Even if it takes us a thousand years, we'll find our way to brighter days. [editline]Have Hope[/editline] For that matter, [i]mother nature[/i] will endure. Short of the sun engulfing it into nothingness, the world can and WILL bounce back given enough time.[/QUOTE] Personally I'd rather not fall in the first place. I would like to maintain our way of life as it is at the very least. It's entirely possible if we take action right now, we don't need to go back to the dark ages as a species.

Can we just throw all climate change deniers into a giant bin

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49988034]You'd be surprised about a horrible world bringing out the best in people - one only has to read the accounts of holocaust survivors to see what humans are capable are in both evil and good. Even in the Russian gulags at the height of stalinism was it possible to bring out the best of people and to sustain love in the face of brutal oppression (there's an interesting book on a series of love letters between two Russian gulag prisoners going into detail about it). During the heights of the biggest wars, deadly diseases wiping out millions, the collapse of some civilization, the descent into brutal civil war or the like, it has been possible to find people quietly plodding along continuing to do good work. Certainly some of the best examples of the good that humans are capable of I would argue to have been manifest during the Second World War - it tells a lot about human nature. Love is a pretty ok thing in my view, and it goes a long way towards helping to alleviate some of my own burden, and hers as well. It can certainly survive a small quibble like the collapse of civilization. I've got to keep on doing my duty for the lady of science too.[/QUOTE] Yeah I see what you're saying I just doubt the optimism you have will survive the trials to come to be honest. Those situations aren't quite what we're going to be seeing in the future.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49988266]Yeah I see what you're saying I just doubt the optimism you have will survive the trials to come to be honest. Those situations aren't quite what we're going to be seeing in the future.[/QUOTE] It's survived a lot worse beforehand stretching back eons, I'm sure it can survive this. I've even written stories trying to explore such a world. It may be shit, but that doesn't mean that's the end of it.

I honestly doubt we'll see much action taken against climate change until billionaires are choking on smog.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49988538]I honestly doubt we'll see much action taken against climate change until billionaires are choking on smog.[/QUOTE] Nah; even then, they'll say it's just God getting mad.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49988538]I honestly doubt we'll see much action taken against climate change until billionaires are choking on smog.[/QUOTE] I don't expect anything from the US in the next 4-5 years. Donald doesn't believe in climate change, and Hillary is bankrolled by the kind of people who benefit from not doing anything about it. Oh well, scientists have been telling us things are critical for decades. Apparently, we just don't care, and we're happy to be the catalyst to the violent decline of modern society.

[QUOTE=adamsz;49988086]To be honest, Humanity deserves what it has coming. This could be a mercy kill if it puts us all out of our routine misery of making the world even worse than we found it. I just hope I'll die quickly. I may have never been loved in life, but then again, neither are the people responsible for this mess.[/QUOTE] Unlike yourself, I quite frankly don't feel like I deserve death because of what some rich cunts have done.

[QUOTE=OvB;49985022]The short answer is coral reefs provide a habitat for a huuuge amount of sea life. The biodiversity of the reefs is astronomical. If the reefs collapse, it will be felt throughout the ocean ecosystem. Combined with acidifcation due to rising CO2 levels, you'll basically have the collapse and death of the entire ocean. Billions of humans rely on the ocean for their lively hoods. Fishing villages around the world would starve to death, ecotourism hotspots would see a decline, commerical fishing would collapse. We'd loose hundreds of billions in economic activity. The list goes on. So basically, the death of the coral reefs will result in a dead ocean, leading to global famine, an increase in terrorism and piracy, a massive refugee crisis, global economic depression, fisheries collapse, tourism collapse, political unrest, etc. Buckle up.[/QUOTE] Funny how people in power don't care, and a side effect will be massive economic loss, ironic.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49986501]Oh yes that invalidates actual evidence of anthropogenic climate change, something which we don't have written histories I'm so sick of this as an answer. It's pointless. It's useless. It's ignorant. It refuses to acknowledge that modern man has both more power, more knowledge, more resources, more of everything than we ever had before. We truly have the capability to end life on earth with our nuclear arsenals, and we truly have the capability to irreparably damage the oceans ecosystem(which we rely on) the agricultural eco systems(Which we rely on) as well as the natural biodiversity(that we rely on). These kinds of "well we heard it before so it's definitely false now" platitudes are not helping.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Morgen;49986502]:speechless: Except this time it's a legitimate threat with scientific backing. Not some religious nut.[/QUOTE] Apologies for my admittably vague statement. I was referring to the "humanity will turn on itself and civilization will collapse" sentiment of page 1. Damage to ecosystems is a real problem which affects us severly, but it's unrealistic and downright pessimistic to believe that humans will keep running towards their doom even when it's realised right in front of them. Nuclear weapons are a good example to bring up. During the cold war it seemed darn likely that nuclear annihilation was going to happen, and for a good reason. However, it didn't because we as a species aren't that suicidal. Of course that doesn't change that right now we need to make those in power aware of this current threat in order to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;49985138]Humanity is never [I]truly[/I] fucked. We always seem to find a way to survive, scatter and adapt, no matter the situation.[/QUOTE] Nice magical thinking.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49985287]Fuck the people who could have prevented this and did nothing.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry this is old, but come on. [QUOTE=Solo Wing;20571675]Oh for christs sake. The guy who brought up this bullshit about global warming needs to get a bullet through the head. I'm sick and tired of hearing this bullshit after we've proven that GW is NATURAL and happens every so often. Sure maybe greenhouse gases speed up the effect some but seriously its not enough to have a cataclysmic effect on Earth. Christ I hate people with no common sense. D:[/QUOTE] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb bump" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Talvy;50774267]I'm sorry this is old, but come on.[/QUOTE] Not only is this a retarded bump, but he also said that 6 years ago. People change over the course of 6 years.

[QUOTE=OvB;49985312]It's easy to take comfort in our abilities and prowess. But that's a comfort every generation felt before. I don't think we should assume the worst is behind us because of our advanced technology and modern comforts. I fear that the worst of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene]Anthropocene[/url] is ahead of us. It's easy to discount and label as alarmist, but I'm sure 13th century Europe thought they were pretty hot shit too. Then the black death -something they couldn't possibly have predicted- killed off a whole lot of them.[/QUOTE] Having studied ecology, I don't think it's alarmist to say that in the slightest. Just hope we don't have to see the beginning of something on the scale of the PT extinction. How quickly can things spiral out of control? :cry:

didn't the supreme court recently rule/provide some legal precedence that allows children to sue the government of the united states of america for failing to adequately address climate change?

Snip Edit: wow I thought this was a new thread confirming the studies of the old thread, my bad.

Nah, I'll take the blame here. [QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;50774805]Not only is this a retarded bump, but he also said that 6 years ago. People change over the course of 6 years.[/QUOTE] Both of what I meant with "I'm sorry this is old". People do change, but he's still just blaming others.

Fuck's sake. Leaving the thread open because it's a good thread and still fairly recent. Discuss coral bleaching and climate change if you want, just don't comment on this dumb bump. If we're going to revive the thread, we're at least going to keep it on topic, ye?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49984842]Can someone explain why we care about coral? I'm not trying to be daft I just genuinely don't know what coral does for the ecosystem.[/QUOTE] its like the trees of a rainforest, without them you got no ecosystem fuck its a necro

So has anything changed since march or are we still royally fucked?

I..i..it's a chinese conspiracy guys! China just wants to trick the US into being less competitive! My favourite bit is that if we were a bit more mature regarding this issue, it'd also arguably help our terrorism problem too, since we'd be able to get the fuck out of the middle east since we wouldn't need their oil anymore. Sure, we can also become even more oil independent, but that won't last forever and can be quite unclean.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50775998]I..i..it's a chinese conspiracy guys! China just wants to trick the US into being less competitive! My favourite bit is that if we were a bit more mature regarding this issue, it'd also arguably help our terrorism problem too, since we'd be able to get the fuck out of the middle east since we wouldn't need their oil anymore. Sure, we can also become even more oil independent, but that won't last forever and can be quite unclean.[/QUOTE] also the middle east in general is going to get more and more unstable since its going to heat up in the coming decades. you think the immigration problem is bad now? wait until the region is routinely over 100F year round and becomes inhospitable, entire countries will become depopulated

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50775998]I..i..it's a chinese conspiracy guys! China just wants to trick the US into being less competitive! My favourite bit is that if we were a bit more mature regarding this issue, it'd also arguably help our terrorism problem too, since we'd be able to get the fuck out of the middle east since we wouldn't need their oil anymore. Sure, we can also become even more oil independent, but that won't last forever and can be quite unclean.[/QUOTE] We already import more oil from Canada than all of OPEC combined. [url]https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a.htm[/url]