China flies nuclear bomber over South China Sea to 'send a message' to Donald Trump - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;51516436]The United States and China will never go to war. The Economic loss to both is too great. Each country might as well just bomb themselves.[/QUOTE] China is just doing this for their internal politics in all likelihood. They need to maintain the image they've had for so long. Everyone already knows the US and China are already in bed. Both nation's politicians spout nonsense about how the other side is evil to their citizens and shake the other's hand under the table at the same time.

[quote]They quite obviously wont go to war over it[/quote] Not to the people saying this could start WW3 it seems. [QUOTE=Duck M.;51516608]Acknowledging Taiwan as a sovereign nation is admirable and morally sound, but is a massive foreign policy blunder.[/QUOTE] Morally sound; it should stop there. Who gives a fuck what China thinks, there are other countries with cheap labor to exploit if that's the concern. Investment has been fueling China, and China has been putting that to use threatening its neighbors and attempting to claim an entire sea. Instead of tolerating bad actions because "oh, they're kind of powerful and have a large economy" they should be called out on their shit, told to stop, and hit with sanctions if they don't. Similarly to what happened with Russia, though even those were half measures because they weren't actions taken on an international level. The US especially is in a position where it can take the moral high ground; the same can be said of Europe to some degree. But no one wants that cost, and instead the international community lets problems grow until they can't be ignored. E.g. ISIS. And, to be clear, the international community needs to tell the US to cut some shit out too or sanction them as well. China and Russia aren't the only "bad guys".

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51516424]and that's exactly why voting for trump was a mistake. he lacks that critical, necessary quality.[/QUOTE] Do you think Trump is gonna let this fly without some kind of a fuss?

i wonder what trump is gonna tweet in response

Tbh I'll call Trump dumb for a lot of reasons but I don't think he'd dare calling for legit war over another Country without a truly important reason [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] The way I see it: Legit sending a nuke is like 10 people agreeing on a mutual tournament of fisticuffs, and then one guy pulls a gun out and just starts shooting people. Chances are a ton of people are going to also pull a gun, and like 20 random civilians are going to die or get permanently injured. No one wins and you're all assholes, especially the one that started it.

I wish that all of the countries of Europe and NATO would get together and publicly and very overtly acknowledge Taiwan's sovereignty and say specifically that they aren't part of China. It would end this kind of stupidity from ever happening again. I get you hate Trump and that's fine but China is being unusually stupid here.

I hate Trump as much as the next guy but holy shit is that an inappropriate response.

It's standard response from any super-power to fly bombers wherever whenever they're mad. The U.S. does it too. Russia does it literally daily.

It's only 2016, this can't start for another 50-60 years.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;51516643]Not to the people saying this could start WW3 it seems. Morally sound; it should stop there. Who gives a fuck what China thinks, there are other countries with cheap labor to exploit if that's the concern. Investment has been fueling China, and China has been putting that to use threatening its neighbors and attempting to claim an entire sea. Instead of tolerating bad actions because "oh, they're kind of powerful and have a large economy" they should be called out on their shit, told to stop, and hit with sanctions if they don't. Similarly to what happened with Russia, though even those were half measures because they weren't actions taken on an international level. The US especially is in a position where it can take the moral high ground; the same can be said of Europe to some degree. But no one wants that cost, and instead the international community lets problems grow until they can't be ignored. E.g. ISIS. And, to be clear, the international community needs to tell the US to cut some shit out too or sanction them as well. China and Russia aren't the only "bad guys".[/QUOTE] There is no use stirring up shit with China over Taiwan because they're not likely to do anything rash themselves. They're not bombing anything. The way i see it, the international community has mostly accepted Taiwan's sovereignty either directly through UN or indirectly through fuzzy wording regarding support of the One China policy. At this point it's just a matter of time how long China can hold on to their delusion. No point in kicking China's sand castle when the tide will inevitably wash it away regardless.

Welp, start saving up your bottle caps, because Fallout might be starting 60 years early. [QUOTE=Duck M.;51516313]I'd find it funny that people were so concerned about Clinton "having a very real threat of starting WW3" when we are potentially on that path with Trump if it wasn't so horrifying. If anything could start WW3 or a serious nuclear threat between two world powers, it would either be with Taiwanese acknowledgement in the current landscape between them and China or a conflict involving Russia. And with Trump, at least one of those is seeming increasingly likely.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I thought the potential of a war happening was high with either choice. Either through Clinton's warmongering, or Trump's stupidity. And people wondered why I decided not to vote this year... But hey, apparently these two are who Americans (and the DNC for Clinton) wanted to lead the country, so I guess we should just deal for the next 4 years and hope the bombs don't fall in the meantime.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51516644]Do you think Trump is gonna let this fly without some kind of a fuss?[/QUOTE] I don't think complaining on twitter really counts.

remember, no matter what spin trump has caused nuclear weapons to be brought out through twitter, willful ignorance of diplomatic customs and his big mouth. this was not preplanned or anything it was all by mistake and they kept spinning it

China threatens a nation I swear it's trumps fault [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] The only thing more childish than china's reaction is claiming that trump''s tweet is in any way a justification, reasoning or excuse for their actions. The only shut foreign policy I see here is threatening nuclear war over a tweet

[QUOTE=Blazedol;51516297]Show of force. "Don't piss us off" basically. Thankfully i don't think trump's balls are big enough to go up against god fucking damn china, so I'm not worried. much.[/QUOTE] Show of force doesn't mean shit tbh, we've all got nukes. If they wanted to try and strongarm what they should do is take a picture of a big red button saying "ask for our money back" with a hand hovering over it and sending it to him. It's threatening, but not in a "we're going to kill everyone" sort of way.

The cold war literally never ended. [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Riller;51517132]It's standard response from any super-power to fly bombers wherever whenever they're mad. The U.S. does it too. Russia does it literally daily.[/QUOTE] I've actually heard that the Ruskie fighter pilots that fly past us in the UK actually wave to other pilots lol.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51518327]That """tweet""" is the opinion of the commander in chief of the world's de facto superpower It is on that commander that he voices his opinions on social media, but there is no seriousness detector or sarcasm detector in international politics China can do whatever the fuck it wants. Trump is the elected representative of USA, he has responsibilities to his people, China hasnt got any of that.[/QUOTE] And what responsibility to the people of the United States does China threatening a non-american state due to the tweet of a presidential elect violate? If China prefers launching a nuclear bomber rather than a civil debate that's their choice. I'd argue tweeting about your opinion is a lot more civil than threatening nuclear war against those who oppose it. Even if you disagree in it he has taken no action for the independence of Taiwan, nearly stated his stance on the matter. [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] China isn't a state of children. For a country that mocks the childlike tone of the future president they show a very immature and childish reaction to a tweet that threatens their ideologies. If trump throws in troops to help defend the independence of Taiwan, go ahead and fly some bombers past. Don't threaten nuclear war because of one man on twitter

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51516313]I'd find it funny that people were so concerned about Clinton "having a very real threat of starting WW3"[/QUOTE] Really? I remember people saying Trump will cause WW3 not Clinton.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51518944]Really? I remember people saying Trump will cause WW3 not Clinton.[/QUOTE] There's literally someone talking about how she would've caused total war with Russia if she was elected in another thread on here right now

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51519028]There's literally someone talking about how she would've caused total war with Russia if she was elected in another thread on here right now[/QUOTE] Most of the people here recognize that because she blatantly said so at the debate.

Yes china, send us all a message that you have nukes and can use them. To which then the only logical next course of action by everyone is to immediately nuke you for doing that. Excellent show of force and sound forward thinking.

Thank god a war with China is better than a war that wasn't actually going to happen with Russia

[QUOTE=Pops;51519116]Most of the people here recognize that because she blatantly said so at the debate.[/QUOTE] iirc in context it referred to cyber and information warfare, not literally bombings and boots on the ground.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51519284]iirc in context it referred to cyber and information warfare, not literally bombings and boots on the ground.[/QUOTE] Because we all know cyber attacks won't escalate to anything greater

[QUOTE=Sally;51519487]Because we all know cyber attacks won't escalate to anything greater[/QUOTE] Neither the US nor Russia are stupid enough to go out into genuine warfare. The days of that sort of conflict are long passed, the socio-economic and political climate of the world nowadays simply wont allow it. We dont live in the 40s anymore. There's too much to lose and not enough to gain.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51519591]Neither the US nor Russia are stupid enough to go out into genuine warfare. The days of that sort of conflict are long passed, the socio-economic and political climate of the world nowadays simply wont allow it. We dont live in the 40s anymore. There's too much to lose and not enough to gain.[/QUOTE] you say that, but anger a nation enough

Call China's bluff. Someone should and Trump has the balls to do it.

[QUOTE=Judas;51516260]what message, exactly, does that send? :v:[/QUOTE] [i]Don't talk to me or my protectorate ever again.[/i]

[QUOTE=Kylel999;51519141]Thank god a war with China is better than a war that wasn't actually going to happen with Russia[/QUOTE] Personally I think poking at the Russians is much safer than poking at the Chinese.