[QUOTE=matt.ant;39632681]It depends what you mean by criminal, the shop he sprayed it on wanted to keep it there, and the residents wanted it there. Is it still a criminal act? I wouldn't mind him spraying a £400,000 stencil on my house[/QUOTE]
If he did that to my house I'd rip that chunk of brickwork down and have it on an auction block before the paint dried :v:
[QUOTE=usaokay;39630871]It belongs on a wall.[/QUOTE]
It belongs in a museum.
This is pretty sad, Banksy works are awesome. We have a few in my city, there's one right next to where I used to work, too. He's an awesome artist and it's sad to see people stealing his work to make money, I can't imagine he's very happy about this.
[QUOTE=Passerby Silver;39633214]This is pretty sad, Banksy works are awesome. We have a few in my city, there's one right next to where I used to work, too. He's an awesome artist and it's sad to see people stealing his work to make money, I can't imagine he's very happy about this.[/QUOTE]
He probably doesn't give a shit.
[QUOTE=James xX;39630885]Banksy murals in my opinion are worth just as much as monuments, they are part of London, and how someone can steal it upsets me.[/QUOTE]
A piece of illegal graffiti was removed by the owner of the property it was sprayed on, and then sold at auction.
I'm not seeing the problem here. Maybe if the artist had permission to use a property for his work, it wouldn't be seen as an act of vandalism and removed.
[QUOTE=BrosefStachin;39631648]His graffiti is not like typical shit you see on walls done by teenagers. It's artistic and often carries some message towards politics or something. It also takes some effort to do. Not getting caught and getting the image right.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/bush-2.jpg[/IMG]
too deep for me
That's one way of removing graffiti but i prefer a pressure wash
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;39630993]I'm kind of confused, how do you steal graffiti on a wall?[/QUOTE]
If anti-piracy groups are right in their thinking. You could take a picture on your phone and print it off. Or draw it from memory on your own wall back home.
I'm more surprised how cleanly they got the art off without damaging it or the wall.
[QUOTE=BrosefStachin;39631648]His graffiti is not like typical shit you see on walls done by teenagers. It's artistic and often carries some message towards politics or something. It also takes some effort to do. Not getting caught and getting the image right.[/QUOTE]
Well i wouldn't say getting caught is a major major issue for him since he uses stencils and can usually get a job done quickly. Nonetheless i admire his work and respect the messages he tries to send out, the methods he employs to get them out there doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;39634317]the methods he employs to get them out there doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
I cannot understand someone saying that his work is art, not vandalism, so shouldn't be torn down or destroyed, while simultaneously saying that being vandalism is critical to the art and so he can't just make it legally with permission from the property owner.
If an artist doesn't want a piece of 'art' to be torn down, sold, burned, painted over, or otherwise removed and/or destroyed, maybe, [i]just maybe[/i], he should ask the owner of the property to let him put it there in the first place- that is the difference between a mural and graffiti. Otherwise, too bad.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39631523]If Banksy painted something on the side of the house are you allowed to wash it off or is that not allowed?[/QUOTE]
If you don't want the piece on your property then yeah I'm pretty sure it's within your rights to wash it off.
I wouldn't though because Banksy pieces look fucking rad.
[QUOTE=Slowbro;39634601]If you don't want the piece on your property then yeah I'm pretty sure it's within your rights to wash it off.
I wouldn't though because Banksy pieces look fucking rad.[/QUOTE]
And it would also attract attention to your business.
[QUOTE=BrosefStachin;39631648]His graffiti is not like typical shit you see on walls done by teenagers. It's artistic and often carries some message towards politics or something. It also takes some effort to do. Not getting caught and getting the image right.[/QUOTE]
On a technical standpoint, doing some of his murals without getting caught is pretty impressive. Designing some of them isn't too hard. My problem with bansky is the dude is a pretentious dick about it all, yet most of his work is blatantly obvious/generic statements. That's what makes it so likable though, is that it's easy for people to connect the dots with things, even though it all looks complex and 'deep' at first glance. Occasionally pieces don't make any sense and are just there to be attention grabbing, but there's only so much value to be had from illegal street art anyways so why not do something just to look neat.
some pieces I like, others not so much. This one was always cool
[t]http://www.streetartutopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2508695615_7361d11105_o.jpg[/t]
also here's the full piece for the OP one, I think it was a good way to tie it into the area and it completely lost that value by being cut down and left to be just the flags coming off the machine.
[t]http://arrestedmotion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the_lonely_villein_banksy_21.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=creative;39633405][IMG]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/bush-2.jpg[/IMG]
too deep for me[/QUOTE]
[img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/com.artwelove.asset/a5d7fb5836f4912decab81d8a29583c0-l.jpg[/img]
if I caught him spraying something on my wall, I'd go out there and see if he wanted something to drink, yes I'm Canadian, but his work is great, and unlike most graffiti it doesn't detract from the buildings its on.
[QUOTE=BrosefStachin;39631648]His graffiti is not like typical shit you see on walls done by teenagers. It's artistic and often carries some message towards politics or something. It also takes some effort to do. Not getting caught and getting the image right.[/QUOTE]
"typical shit" done by teenagers has as much artistic merit as anything Banksy does
you can't have it both ways, either all graffiti is art and deserves protection or none of it is
[editline]18th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Judas;39631615]I will never understand why people idolize that criminal[/QUOTE]
whats art without a little crime and transgression
[QUOTE=catbarf;39634560]I cannot understand someone saying that his work is art, not vandalism, so shouldn't be torn down or destroyed, while simultaneously saying that being vandalism is critical to the art and so he can't just make it legally with permission from the property owner.
If an artist doesn't want a piece of 'art' to be torn down, sold, burned, painted over, or otherwise removed and/or destroyed, maybe, [i]just maybe[/i], he should ask the owner of the property to let him put it there in the first place- that is the difference between a mural and graffiti. Otherwise, too bad.[/QUOTE]
He WANTS his art to be taken down. The only thing Banksy cares about is getting a message out there. When you saw any work by him, did it make you think? Did it make you think at all about if for a second? If it did then it's art. Art is there to make you dwell on something, to make you think about something. Banky intentionally chose the street art vandal style because he has a message to send the world might as well use the world as your canvas where the common folk walk past on a daily basis. By having it removed only further serves his purpose and gets the message out even further.
Banksy isn't tagging a wall so that it can be framed and hung over a millionaires mantle one day. Just like how his work is a mantle peice it isn't a mural. A mural commemorates something, Banksy's art typically serves to demonize something that is ever present in our modern era yet generally goes unnoticed.
He does a lot of art like that in addition to his various other "fun" works of art that don't serve a message but are simply there to look at. It's a hell of a lot better than seeing "KING" written out across the wall with cheap spray paint, dribbling down the side and hastily done.
I like some of his work that modify existing graffitis like this one:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9IdizbQ.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=thisispain;39641605]"typical shit" done by teenagers has as much artistic merit as anything Banksy does
you can't have it both ways, either all graffiti is art and deserves protection or none of it is
[/QUOTE]
Except you can have it both ways.
I don't care what you say, there's a significant difference between spray painting "pussy" on the wall, and what was posted above me
[t]http://i.imgur.com/9IdizbQ.jpg[/t]
One has effort, one does not.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;39641853]
I don't care what you say, there's a significant difference between spray painting "pussy" on the wall, and what was posted above me[/QUOTE]
and i dont care what you say either and that's why it has to be absolute, so that it never degenerates into aesthetics arguments. just lookout in the art world, that's the reason why art has taken an absolute meaning as well
[QUOTE=thisispain;39641605]"typical shit" done by teenagers has as much artistic merit as anything Banksy does
you can't have it both ways, either all graffiti is art and deserves protection or none of it is
[/QUOTE]
This. A lot of Banksy's stuff is great, but graffiti is still graffiti. It is still being painted on someone else's property. We can't have a double standard just because "Banksy painted it, so it's okay"
[QUOTE=mysteryman;39641853]
One has effort, one does not.[/QUOTE]
dangerous argument. effort is subjective and not quantifiable
[QUOTE=thisispain;39641862]dangerous argument. effort is subjective and not quantifiable[/QUOTE]
Bad argument. One obviously has been thoroughly thought out.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;39641877]Bad argument. One obviously has been thoroughly thought out.[/QUOTE]
"thought out" isn't subjective nor quantifiable either.
you might consider rothko's famous rectangles to lack effort or thought but you don't know that for sure.
that pussy tag might be placed with great thought and effort, you don't know
[QUOTE=mysteryman;39641877]Bad argument. One obviously has been thoroughly thought out.[/QUOTE]
Art being thoroughly thought out doesn't automatically make it better than something that was quickly created.
Again, subjectivity comes into play here. While you can class some art as better than others (like this pussy v banksy one) you can't do it with it all.
Essentially anyone who tries to rate and class art is going to have a hard time and should really give it up.
and those people calling banksy graffiti. fucking lol.
For the vandalism/art argument.
[img]http://senseslost.com/third-rail-content/uploads/graffiti-before-and-after.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=thisispain;39641862]dangerous argument. effort is subjective and not quantifiable[/QUOTE]
Not effort would have to be the typical bullshit that teenagers spray on the wall
I don't care how long it took them to perfect their fullee s1ck tag they all look like fucking garbage
[QUOTE=Nemisis116;39642525]Not effort would have to be the typical bullshit that teenagers spray on the wall
I don't care how long it took them to perfect their fullee s1ck tag they all look like fucking garbage[/QUOTE]
do you not understand what subjectivity is?
how did banksy remain unknown all this time
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