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[QUOTE=Winner;45020362]that's a fucking retarded statistic yes people are extremely likely to die in car accidents because almost all of the population uses them several times daily[/QUOTE] Missing the point entirely. Would you be terrified to climb into a car because you might be killed while driving? No? Then why be scared that you're going to be shot walking down the street, a statistically [i]far[/i] less likely occurrence? This isn't Somalia. In the grand scheme of things people getting shot just minding their own business is extraordinarily rare. If you'd be really, genuinely concerned for your safety in America solely because people own guns, then your perspective on this country is a [i]little[/i] bit skewed.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;45019916]I'd feel unsafe even visiting America not knowing who is carrying a gun and who is safe to even look at without risking being shot. Many other civilised countries survive fine without guns and have next to no gun crime, I don't see the point of making it easier for criminals to get ahold of weapons just because of "freedom". There should be a limit to freedom because too much freedom has a negative impact rather than a positive one. I know this post will be rated dumb because that's what Americans do when a post isn't positive about guns, but I really don't care about ratings enough to hide my feelings about it.[/QUOTE] Your chances of being murdered in America are astronomically small regardless of which method is used. Honestly I've lived in the gun-saturated south all my life and I can't name a single person who is even close to being afraid of going outside for fear of being shot.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45020420]Your chances of being murdered in America are astronomically small regardless of which method is used. Honestly I've lived in the gun-saturated south all my life and I can't name a single person who is even close to being afraid of going outside for fear of being shot.[/QUOTE] I've lived in the south all of my life and I can't name a single person who locks their door.... :v:
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;45019916]I'd feel unsafe even visiting America not knowing who is carrying a gun and who is safe to even look at without risking being shot.[/QUOTE] Unless you plan to walk through the ghetto, those feelings are unwarranted and you won't be randomly shot for looking at people the wrong way, you're just falling for the media's fear mongering. [QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;45019916]Many other civilised countries survive fine without guns and have next to no gun crime.[/QUOTE] And there are many that survive just fine with guns and have next to no gun crime.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;45019916]I'd feel unsafe even visiting America not knowing who is carrying a gun and who is safe to even look at without risking being shot. Many other civilised countries survive fine without guns and have next to no gun crime, I don't see the point of making it easier for criminals to get ahold of weapons just because of "freedom". There should be a limit to freedom because too much freedom has a negative impact rather than a positive one. I know this post will be rated dumb because that's what Americans do when a post isn't positive about guns, but I really don't care about ratings enough to hide my feelings about it.[/QUOTE] you're an idiot you know that. That's like me saying that I'm afraid to go to the UK because I'm afraid someone is going to spill hot tea over me because absolutely [I]everyone[/I] there drinks hot tea, and only hot tea.
Like i said before, you're not all that likely to get shot in the US. Sure there are some bad areas here, but most areas are good areas. You're right, you don't know who is carrying, but chances are you may never meet anyone who is, and even if you do, most of the people who carry here are some of the nicest people. The media tries to portray gun owners like me and many others as raving lunatics, when in reality, normally the people in the media who say that are the raving lunatics. The US is a great place to live, no it isn't the best place on Earth, and it has shortcomings, but it is still much better than many other areas. I've realized most gun control people i meet are some of the sorriest examples of people. So violent, so quick to jump to screaming, etc.
[QUOTE=bdd458;45021124]you're an idiot you know that. That's like me saying that I'm afraid to go to the UK because I'm afraid someone is going to spill hot tea over me because absolutely [I]everyone[/I] there drinks hot tea, and only hot tea.[/QUOTE] america does have the highest homicide rate in the western world the UK doesn't have the highest tea spillage rate in the western world
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021635]america does have the highest homicide rate in the western world the UK doesn't have the highest tea spillage rate in the western world[/QUOTE] You missed the point, as usual
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45021650]You missed the point, as usual[/QUOTE] but the UK doesn't have an abnormal hot beverage drinking rate while america does have a abnormal firearm enabling homicide rate
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021664]but the UK doesn't have an abnormal hot beverage drinking rate while america does have a abnormal firearm [B][U]enabling[/U][/B] homicide rate[/QUOTE] What
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45021668]What[/QUOTE] can't have a really high homicide rate in a western nation without firearm proliferation.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021664]but the UK doesn't have an abnormal hot beverage drinking rate while america does have a abnormal firearm enabling homicide rate[/QUOTE] what exactly do you expect do you expect the firearm-related homicide rate to be the same between the UK and the US, when there are obvious differences in the amount of guns in each country how and why would that make any sense? it doesn't matter what tool facilitates the crime, it's about the amount and proportion of violent crime in general. and that, that higher ratio of homicides and violent crimes between the united states and other developed nations, is because of factors of cultural and financial inequity. but please feel free to keep ignoring my posts anyway.
[QUOTE=joes33431;45021689]what exactly do you expect do you expect the firearm-related homicide rate to be the same between the UK and the US, when there are obvious differences in the amount of guns in each country how and why would that make any sense? it doesn't matter what tool facilitates the crime, it's about the amount and proportion of violent crime in general. and that, that higher ratio of homicides and violent crimes between the united states and other developed nations, is because of factors of cultural and financial inequity. but please feel free to keep ignoring my posts anyway.[/QUOTE] violent crime is lower in the US than most European countries. Yet homicide is incredibly high, four times the UK, and six times of germany. The only difference is the access to homicide tools.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021700]The only difference is the access to homicide tools.[/QUOTE] Or you know, a stigma relating to mental health issues, sometimes lax police work, high disparity in wealth, high 'extreme' poverty rates, and a quickly shrinking middle class. but right, the issue has to be the guns.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021700]violent crime is lower in the US than most European countries. Yet homicide is incredibly high, four times the UK, and six times of germany. The only difference is the access to homicide tools.[/QUOTE] So culture has no part in it? The US is much more different than the UK in culture than just "bucks" being "quid", drinking coffee instead of tea, and rednecks instead of cockneys, you know. Innit?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021685]can't have a really high homicide rate in a western nation without firearm proliferation.[/QUOTE] You realise that firearms deaths are the result of gang activity, domestic murders, accidents, and suicides. Of those banning guns will only prevent accidents, the rest have alternative methods. Knives, bats, bridges, etc. Accidents can be reduced with proper education, I won't even go into the others because those are much broader and incredibly complex issues at both the personal and societal level. A very very small number of firearms deaths are from mass shootings, it just doesn't look like that because the media over-reports it, because mass murder makes for [I]great[/I] ratings.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45021767]Dont forget: the constant underlying institutional racism, the piss poor education system, the crumbling infrastructure, entire cities going bankrupt, massive underlying distrust of the government.. etc etc[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, how could I forget the issues that feed into the poverty.
[QUOTE=bdd458;45021746]Or you know, a stigma relating to mental health issues, sometimes lax police work, high disparity in wealth, high 'extreme' poverty rates, and a quickly shrinking middle class. but right, the issue has to be the guns.[/QUOTE] don't these very same issues exist in europe? I mean can you actually quantify how much worse these actually are than say Britain to start with? Can you possibily explain why we don't have a massive homicide rate yet we're a much more violent country? The only difference is our access to homicide tools.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45021777]You realise that firearms deaths are the result of gang activity, domestic murders, accidents, and suicides. Of those banning guns will only prevent accidents, the rest have alternative methods. Knives, bats, bridges, etc. Accidents can be reduced with proper education, I won't even go into the others because those are much broader and incredibly complex issues at both the personal and societal level. A very very small number of firearms deaths are from mass shootings, it just doesn't look like that because the media over-reports it, because mass murder makes for [I]great[/I] ratings.[/QUOTE] There is a massive scientific link between access to firearms and suicide. The same with crimes of passion such as domestic homicide.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021791]don't these very same issues exist in europe? I mean can you actually quantify how much worse these actually are than say Britain to start with? Can you possibily explain why we don't have a massive homicide rate yet we're a much more violent country? The only difference is our access to homicide tools.[/QUOTE] At the same time you have some European countries that have plentiful access to homicide tools and they have low homicide rates?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45021797]I wasn't aware that europe waited till the 60's to issue rights to an entire group of people who've lived on the continent since its colonization.[/QUOTE] So these issues don't exist in europe? is that what you're saying?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45021807]At the same time you have some European countries that have plentiful access to homicide tools and they have low homicide rates?[/QUOTE] If you're talking about the Swiss, that isn't even true. That is a gun-lobby myth. Most Swiss firearm owners don't even keep ammunition.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021791]don't these very same issues exist in europe? The only difference is our access to homicide tools.[/QUOTE] maybe in Eastern Europe, but I can bet that in Western Europe it is not even close to being as bad as the US. Take Switzerland for example. Nearly everyone there has access to weapons (especially the weapons training people receive), yet they don't have nearly as much of the gun issues the US has.
So, what about Switzerland? (I realize this is also in the post above me, but figure I'll leave this up).
[QUOTE=bdd458;45021823]maybe in Eastern Europe, but I can bet that in Western Europe it is not even close to being as bad as the US. Take Switzerland for example. Nearly everyone there has access to weapons (especially the weapons training people receive), yet they don't have nearly as much of the gun issues the US has.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912[/url] educate yourself
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021819]Most Swiss firearm owners don't even keep ammunition.[/QUOTE] source?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021804]There is a massive scientific link between access to firearms and suicide. The same with crimes of passion such as domestic homicide.[/QUOTE] So me having a gun makes me more likely to commit suicide if I'm considering it? I'd go for the skyscraper any day, what a more exciting and fun way to die Joking aside I still don't see how you can blame firearms for people taking their own lives.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45021840]So me having a gun makes me more likely to commit suicide if I'm considering it? I'd go for the skyscraper any day, what a more exciting and fun way to die Joking aside I still don't see how you can blame firearms for people taking their own lives.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/[/url] [url]http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/[/url] [url]http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/08/22/aje.kwt197.abstract[/url] there are thirty more academic medical journals ready to be read if you just type it into google.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45021837][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912[/url] educate yourself[/QUOTE] Educate yourself. [Quote=Wikipedia]Government statistics for the year 2010 records 40 homicides involving firearms, out of the 53 cases of homicide in 2010. The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70, which is one of the lowest in the world.The annual rate of homicide by guns per 100,000 population was 0.52.[/quote]
Yeah, they don't keep ammunition but if they wanted to kill someone they could just go out and buy/make it Your point is moot
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