Mass Shooting Season 2014 still going strong as four+ are wounded at Seattle Pacific University
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45029120]But hang on. Lets take a look at some comparable numbers.
Swedens population is roughly 9.5 million, so is North Carolina (at 9.8 million)
So sweden reported 1.4 million crimes in 2009
North Carolina reported 416 thousand crimes in 2008.
Guess it's safer in North Carolina.
Now get off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
My high horse is completely justified. And if you checked those facts, you'd see that a fraction of those crimes in Sweden were murders, rapes or even that damaging. It was more graffiti and tax fraud, while in North Carolina most of them were murders and rapes and hate crimes.. By the way, how's the welfare? How's the equality, the segregation, the oligopolies, the meritocracy, the technocracy? The fact that you have a political system which value corporations over people? The presidentialism where representativity doesn't exist, even though it was achieved in a democratic process that finds it core in, you guessed it, representativity. You want to argue about countries, or do you want to go back to the topic at hand (which in case you forgot, was mass shootings)?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45029187]As gunfox said. If we invested the money that we put into gun control into things like public health, or education, we'd prevent more murders than gun control would.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GunFox;45029154]Since the number of people who die is insignificant, any action taken to prevent them would require a disproportionate allocation of resources. The same resources could be allocated basically anywhere else and save more lives.[/QUOTE]
Question. Why doesn't that happen then? Why do "you"(whatever your system is for these things, your government, etc) delay or not do this at all?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45029235]Because it's easier to blame guns than it is to make true change. Doing things like this would cost billions, and would require a tax raise, all things that'd have to be justified to the American tax payer, who isn't going to give a shit that jamal in the ghetto is having a better life, all he's concerned with is the fact that he can't buy his car outright and has to wait a paycheck or two.
And we have career politicians, who don't really care about the people, they care about being in power, and will say/do anything to stay in it. For example just watch any electoral debates. You'll see more back pedaling than you'll know what to do with.[/QUOTE]
Basically people don't care enough because it's not up to them and government lies a lot. Basically every country ever. Can't complain there, I guess.
[QUOTE] jamal in the ghetto[/QUOTE]
da's racist
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45029276]Essentially yes. The reason people are against gun control is because it's literally saying "it's easier to take your guns than it is to make sure our people are taken care of".
Gang violence accounts for the vast majority of crime in the US, getting rid of the gangs would curb crime into almost non existent numbers. The only way to do that is to eliminate the reason to join a gang, and the only way to do that is to actually invest in our people properly, instead of putting band-aids over gaping wounds.[/QUOTE]
But first "you" need to find a way to break the loophole somehow that makes no one do anything about anything because they can't be bothered with something like that.
That's fucked up, sometimes I wonder how the US works out like that.
That I can understand easily. I doubt that will happen unless you have some sort of Mandela character though.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45028890]Except we don't have a mass shooting every few weeks. Statistically we've had 14 over the span from 2010 to 2013. Source: [URL]http://www.securitydegreehub.com/mass-shootings/[/URL]
Also, technically a "mass shooting" is someone who kills more than 4 people, at least that's been the common thing i've found in a few sources i've dug up.
There are problems, yes, we're all aware, but there's no need to devolve into "hurr muh cuntry" debates in every gun thread, just like we don't need to hear "well in "x" country we do "y" and it works for us, so you guys should do it too".[/QUOTE]
It is still pretty stupid imho for every citizen to have the constitutional right to bear arms. It's literally made up for the favor of military/pro-gun parties more than 200 years ago, if you can call them that.
And guess what, if you're opposed to the idea of reforming old laws, then you're more stupid than I would dare to believe. Were those laws meant for a modern nation of +300 million people? I don't think so..
[editline]8th June 2014[/editline]
By no means should you ever give up your gun culture though..
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45028419]Now you're being daft. I'll say it again. Freedom of press isn't a universal human right, but it's still pretty fucking important isnt it?[/QUOTE]
article 19 udhr
i love reading facepunch gun threads yall americans are out of your fuckin minds
[QUOTE=Antdawg;45028287]He's asking how owning guns is a human right, not where it can be found as a constitutional right. How dense are you to not realise that?
[B]Fuck your constitution anyways.[/B] The bill of rights is at least 200 years old and when the founding fathers envisioned for people to bear arms for the defence against tyrants, I'm pretty sure they would have never imagined the issue would get so out of hand that students would die every week from school shootings. [B]If the founding fathers were alive today they certainly wouldn't have passed the second amendment.[/B][/QUOTE]Who are you to say bullshit like this?
And it isn't a human right, it's an American right, that's why it's in the [I]American[/I] Constitution and not the UN Human Rights Charter
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45022352]"Believe me, despite my lacking actual evidence."[/QUOTE]
I posted evidence earlier in the thread and so did others, but it seems certain key members just conveniently ignore that, or disappear from the thread until its a few more pages in and then just keep doing what they were before, fuck it.
[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45032230]I posted evidence earlier in the thread and so did others, but it seems certain key members just conveniently ignore that, or disappear from the thread until its a few more pages in and then just keep doing what they were before, fuck it.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the post to which I was responding?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45021981]Because not everything is a matter of numbers and trends and different sized bars and cluttered scatter plots, believe it or not[/QUOTE]
The only way that could be more "stats aren't important because sometimes they disagree with me" is if it said that verbatim.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45029334]Essentially. It's a difficult task, and it's going to require a few people to be sacrificial lambs, and be willing to sacrifice their career for the greater good. Suburban paul might not want to help pay for ghetto jamal's education, but someone needs to say "fuck you paul, pay your god damned taxes and help take care of everyone instead of your own selfish ass".[/QUOTE]
Not [I]all[/I] politicians are evil and corrupt. It's just the one's who actually care and stick their neck out never get the publicity they deserve. Here's a local senator pointing out conflicting interests on a bill that attempts to secretly fund recent gun legislation, playing on the ignorance of the senators that it's presented to. [video=youtube;vTEeHefsVsE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTEeHefsVsE[/video]
Said this earlier in the thread. You are more likely to die from lightning than mass shootings. Mass shootings statistically are rare. Really, in all honesty, I think some of these shootings wouldn't have occurred if it weren't for the fact the media practically made them famous afterward. Gang violence is a huge issue in America, it gets worse every year due to a wealth inequality, shrinking middle class, Unconstitutional drug war which unfairly targets minorities, etc. We have so many things we could fix without having to enact new gun control laws that would shrink crime.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45034265]Said this earlier in the thread. You are more likely to die from lightning than mass shootings. Mass shootings statistically are rare. Really, in all honesty, I think some of these shootings wouldn't have occurred if it weren't for the fact the media practically made them famous afterward. Gang violence is a huge issue in America, it gets worse every year due to a wealth inequality, shrinking middle class, Unconstitutional drug war which unfairly targets minorities, etc. We have so many things we could fix without having to enact new gun control laws that would shrink crime.[/QUOTE]
b-but how am i supposed to forward my political agenda if mass shootings are rare
[sp](disclaimer: this goes both ways)[/sp]
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;45030074]i love reading facepunch gun threads yall americans are out of your fuckin minds[/QUOTE]
I love reading shitposts like yours
[QUOTE=joes33431;45034471]b-but how am i supposed to forward my political agenda if mass shootings are rare
[sp](disclaimer: this goes both ways)[/sp][/QUOTE]
You're right it does go both ways. Often though it is sensationalized by the media, which then gets made worse by the fact everyone wants to argue emotionally. They make it so you can't win, because they try to make you look like you want dead kids, etc. No, the answer may not be guns everywhere, but it certainly isn't on certain shit that isn't proven to work. Everyone does a complete cop out to the real problems of violence caused by bullshit laws that unfairly target minorities and the low class, and cause violence.
[QUOTE=MR2;45037333]I love reading shitposts like yours[/QUOTE]
shit youre right you got me. legalize all guns vigilante state ftw
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;45042193]shit youre right you got me. legalize all guns vigilante state ftw[/QUOTE]
Except nobody said that and you're just pulling shit out of your ass while still trying to look down upon others because you have the superior opinion, apparently.
[QUOTE=MR2;45042717]Except nobody said that and you're just pulling shit out of your ass while still trying to look down upon others because you have the superior opinion, apparently.[/QUOTE]
who needs to think or debate or make cogent arguments when you can be condescending?
this is rule one of internet discussions.
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