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[QUOTE=NoDachi;45012267]are you saying the graph is incorrect?[/QUOTE] It's possible, but I have to doubt the legitimacy of a graph that's being pushed by an anti-gun organization [img]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/sgcossbzcei5hhmpeq0ryq.gif[/img] [img]http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/goverPubli/20050104_1.gif[/img] Some surveys indicate a decreasing trend while others indicate the opposite, who knows
[QUOTE=darunner;45012421][IMG]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/zvumamcapkcvqcxbn-xf4a.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/dpo7h0egbeq-uquadkndmq.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/total-guns.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2012/7/25/1343236485032/FBI-background-checks-gun-001.jpg?width=620&height=-&quality=95[/IMG][/QUOTE] they don't go back far enough to see the trend
[QUOTE=Complifused;45012415]By normal people I assume you mean even the guy who works at the teddy bear making factory 9-5? I just fail to see why your everyday person needs to have a gun on them in the 21st century. I'm not talking about the keeping the guns at home here, just the carrying one around with you.[/QUOTE] I can give an example. A friend of mine has some property in a bad part of downtown where gangs and drug dealers are known to linger. He takes his concealed gun there (with a proper license) because of this, but he doesn't carry it around with him on a regular basis otherwise.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45012439]they don't go back far enough to see the trend[/QUOTE] I see a pretty obvious trend. One might compare it to the shape of a hockey stick.
[QUOTE=Murkrow;45010926]This gets posted in pretty much every single thread like this, but it's important. [video=youtube;PezlFNTGWv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4[/video] Also related: [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjwYc6CwY0"]Interview of the same forensic psychologist on the subject[/URL][/QUOTE] Holy shit.
Why cant you americans live without guns? Or atleast with a better gun law? I mean in europe nobody really needs a gun at home and everything is fine.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45012446]I can give an example. A friend of mine has some property in a bad part of downtown where gangs and drug dealers are known to linger. He takes his concealed gun there (with a proper license) because of this, but he doesn't carry it around with him on a regular basis otherwise.[/QUOTE] Well if you put it that way then I guess the first step is improving the police and social services to deal with these kinds of people. Once people feel safer maybe they will feel less of a need to carry guns (Which in my opinion add to this problem of people not feeling safe)
[QUOTE=ntzu;45010890]Easier said than done[/QUOTE] and "better health care" isnt?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45012513]and "better health care" isnt?[/QUOTE] I don't understand, is this an off topic joke or is it part of the argument?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45012513]and "better health care" isnt?[/QUOTE] Absolutely not, considering there are improvements that can clearly be made with little controversy and immediate effect. You can find whole lists of them where the only side effect would be a marginal increase in tax cost. That is a far cry from the 'disarm yourselves against criminals and maybe in 20 years things will be better' suggestions from the anti-gunners. [QUOTE=opti2000;45012486]I mean in europe nobody really needs a gun at home and everything is fine.[/QUOTE] Is there something about the fact that America is not the UK, Germany, Australia, or any other country that just slips by people? We already have over 300,000,000 weapons in private hands, urban crime far beyond that of your country, and an enormous, largely unrestricted border with the illegal gun and drug capital of the western hemisphere. What on earth makes you think that because something worked for you that it'll work equally well for us?
[QUOTE=opti2000;45012486]Why cant you americans live without guns? Or atleast with a better gun law? I mean in europe nobody really needs a gun at home and everything is fine.[/QUOTE] Well I heard Russia has some pretty sensible gun laws. You own a small peashooter like an airgun or small calibre rifle for a few years, then at the end they assess whether you've been using them responsibly, before giving you license to acquire more traditional firearms.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45012513]and "better health care" isnt?[/QUOTE] Don't know. The US hasn't really done anything about health care.
[QUOTE=darunner;45012570]Don't know. The US hasn't really done anything about health care.[/QUOTE] you missed the unbridled rage by right wingers at any attempts to change it over the last two terms? the kind of people who have unbridled rage for any attempts to change gun laws?
[QUOTE=opti2000;45012486]Why cant you americans live without guns? Or atleast with a better gun law? I mean in europe nobody really needs a gun at home and everything is fine.[/QUOTE] What is the average police response time to a life threatening situation in your town? [editline]5th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;45012577]you missed the unbridled rage by right wingers at any attempts to change it over the last two terms? the kind of people who have unbridled rage for any attempts to change gun laws?[/QUOTE] The only change the US has made to health care is they forced everyone to buy it under threat of increased taxation. The people who wrote the law also threw in a couple things about improving coverage, which is nice, considering the insurance companies wrote it. My health insurance costs doubled and my deductible is 10x what it was last year, but at least I have pre-natal care. As a male, that will come in quite useful.
[QUOTE=catbarf;45012550]Is there something about the fact that America is not the UK, Germany, Australia, or any other country that just slips by people? We already have over 300,000,000 weapons in private hands, urban crime far beyond that of your country, and an enormous, largely unrestricted border with the illegal gun and drug capital of the western hemisphere. What on earth makes you think that because something worked for you that it'll work equally well for us?[/QUOTE] America doesn't experience more base crime than a European country, often less infact. WE just don't get to kill each other as easily as you guys. Ps about mexico, the cartels buy guns from America, not the other way around. They are the country which would benefit greatly from not sharing a 'largely unrestricted border' with the USA. Not the other way around. Ps tell me how easy it is for you to buy a pre-86 automatic again. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=darunner;45012578] The only change the US has made to health care is they forced everyone to buy it under threat of increased taxation. The people who wrote the law also threw in a couple things about improving coverage, which is nice, considering the insurance companies wrote it. My health insurance costs doubled and my deductible is 10x what it was last year, but at least I have pre-natal care. As a male, that will come in quite useful.[/QUOTE] and that is why "fix healthcare" is a buzzword.
[QUOTE=darunner;45012570]Don't know. The US hasn't really done anything about health care.[/QUOTE] *ahem* ACA /*ahem*
[QUOTE=catbarf;45012550]What on earth makes you think that because something worked for you that it'll work equally well for us?[/QUOTE] That's the question my friend. It works in europe but not in america. Well then i'll assume that we will unfortunately hear more and more of this kind of incidents in the near future if nothing changes.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45012590] Ps tell me how easy it is for you to buy a pre-86 automatic again.[/QUOTE] Not very? Takes a Class III Permit, and well, the government isn't exactly handing those out. What's the point?
[QUOTE=aydin690;45011188]The solution is simple, no citizen should be allowed to own guns. Fuck the 2nd amendment, it was written for a world that doesn't exist now. Just look at Australia. Give people a year to hand in all of their weapons or else face imprisonment or other harsh punishments. Of course that's never going to happen because the average pro-gun american values their weekend hobby more than people's lives.[/QUOTE] we're allowed to own guns...
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45011772]Welcome to FP gun debate # +1billion. I'll take your hat and coat.[/QUOTE] I forgot to mention the water is piss. and the soap is shit. mikfoz has one sock in here, no clue where the other one is. But it's not even the thread, it's the world. People are regularly going fucking nuts and doing the dumbest and most destructive things imaginable due to the most inane and moronic reasons. It's like the douchenozzle who drove the BMW and stabbed people because he felt entitled to women riding his dick because he convinced himself that was reality when it was nothing more than his fantasy. There really is no excuse for a lot of the death and destruction that goes on, but it just seems like a constant and people are going insane and just focusing on it rather than just living. It's one of the main reasons why I stopped watching TV. I also just had a bit of a tiff with a girl on facebook about gun regulations, she posted a dumb political cartoon about non comparable statistics. If we speak about things that kill people the same number on a regular basis, the same number of deaths daily due to gun violence, and not accidents or anything else, is 30. Now if you all want to go take a quick field trip to the CDC website, (the center for disease control for any non americans). The number of deaths in the US for drunk driving accidents, not regular accidents or drunk accidents, is also 30. The same number of people die each day from gun violence as there are people dying from drunk driving accidents. If people want to force register guns and require owners to have licenses, we are going to need to have cars be registered and drivers to have licenses. But since cars are already federally regulated, we needs firearms to be registered in a similar way. In all honesty, this isn't really a bad deal. The trend could go any direction however, in a perfect world everyone would adapt to the new system and gun crime goes down. But, if someone really wants to kill someone, I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to do it regardless of access to a firearm. Also, with as many nutjobs as there are with guns already who shouldn't, but use them properly for now, could lose their shit and start killing folks and blaming them for a problem that doesn't exist. Guns also have an actual use, I own a Mosin Nagant that I have documentation for that proves it was fielded in combat during WWII. What this means is that the gun likely killed a few Nazis in it's day and that's radical because of its history and its role and importance in its ability and changing history. Context provides the qualities and usefulness of something. A car is great for when you need it, but takes up space and pollutes and destroys our planet. Guns are small and fun to shoot at a range or go hunting, but it provides lunatics the ability to murder people on a large scale and can ultimately shape the map that forms our world. Everything has its role and purpose, and the gun is as important as anything else in the equilibrium of the world as we see it today. In all honesty, I see guns as a necessary evil. I think I covered pretty much everything with one giant opinion.
I am so tired of turning on the news and seeing a new shooting occurring. I am so sick of it. I just want them to end.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45012590]Ps about mexico, the cartels buy guns from America, not the other way around. They are the country which would benefit greatly from not sharing a 'largely unrestricted border' with the USA. Not the other way around. [/quote] Yeah, because it totally makes sense to buy a shitty $800 AR in the US instead of 3 or 4 full auto Chinese made AKs for the same price. Or, just steal them from the government. [quote]Ps tell me how easy it is for you to buy a pre-86 automatic again.[/QUOTE] Depends what you want. [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166704]a MAC-10 starts at about $5,000[/url], [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166676] an M-16 will run you about $18,500[/url] or you can [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166639]go balls out and drop 45 grand on an M-60 machine gun.[/url] Then you send in the paperwork and $200 to the federal government, you get to wait 8-12 months for them to run a full background check on you, and then you can pay a dealer ~$100 more to let you take it away.
[QUOTE=darunner;45012645]Yeah, because it totally makes sense to buy a shitty $800 AR in the US instead of 3 or 4 full auto Chinese made AKs for the same price. Or, just steal them from the government. Depends what you want. [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166704]a MAC-10 starts at about $5,000[/url], [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166676] an M-16 will run you about $18,500[/url] or you can [url=http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=166639]go balls out and drop 45 grand on an M-60 machine gun.[/url] Then you send in the paperwork and $200 to the federal government, you get to wait 8-12 months for them to run a full background check on you, and then you can pay a dealer ~$100 more to let you take it away.[/QUOTE] In other news, semi automatic firearms are easier to control and shoot anyways [editline]5th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;45012633]I forgot to mention the water is piss.[/QUOTE] Don't drink the water; they put something in it to make you forget. I don't even remember how I and everyone else in this thread made the exact same points a month ago...
[QUOTE=abcpea;45012630]we're allowed to own guns...[/QUOTE] And they are very hard for anyone to get their hands on, as they should be.
[QUOTE=darunner;45012578]What is the average police response time to a life threatening situation in your town? [/QUOTE] I dont know about the average response time of a german police man to a life threatening situation. Things like in america never really happens in germany because civilians are not allowed to carry weapons around and it is a criminal act if you still do. (Even with some kind of permission as a civilian). The only life threatening situation for a german police man is not getting coffe in the morning.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45012544]I don't understand, is this an off topic joke or is it part of the argument?[/QUOTE] i'm saying that people use "better health care" as if it was the ultimate solution to gun-related problems, but almost never point out exactly how they'd carry that out, and yet dismiss arguments about better gun control laws because of how hard they'd be to implement
[QUOTE=opti2000;45012681]I dont know about the average response time of a german police man to a life threatening situation.[/QUOTE] Say you call 911 because there are an army of mutated werewolves attacking you in your home. How long before [i]any[/i] emergency services arrive, even if it's a padded party wagon?
[QUOTE=Gentry;45011609][IMG]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120731095634-declining-gun-ownership-chart-story-top.jpg[/IMG] thank god you're a part of a backwards, old dying breed that is holding everything back and eventually the country can move on and join the rest of the civilised world[/QUOTE] holy crap you are stupid
[QUOTE=darunner;45012700]Say you call 911 because there are an army of mutated werewolves attacking you in your home. How long before [i]any[/i] emergency services arrive, even if it's a padded party wagon?[/QUOTE] Wat...? Do i need to give a answer to this question? And btw 911 wouldn't work, here in germany we call 110.
[QUOTE=opti2000;45012726]Wat...? Do i need to give a answer to this question? And btw 911 wouldn't work, here in germany we call 110.[/QUOTE] Fine. Your house is on fire, and you can't stop it by yourself. You dial 110. How long before help arrives?
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