• Mass Shooting Season 2014 still going strong as four+ are wounded at Seattle Pacific University
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[QUOTE=cucumber;45010804]WTF. It seems like all the nut-jobs coming out of the garage as they hear on TV that, there are more like them.[/QUOTE] Because that's literally what happens, because you get a media circus around one shooting it practically issues a challenge to all the armed mongos and then they go out and do their thing, there's a reason why you see more shootings after a highly publicised one.
[QUOTE=Winner;45010868]better gun laws[/QUOTE] Remove the guns and you still have a mentally unstable individual that is just as dangerous.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;45016071]Remove the guns and you still have a mentally unstable individual that is just as dangerous.[/QUOTE] Albeit one that is much easier to subdue and is less likely of being able to cause death. Mass stabbings happen, but people are more likely to survive them.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;45016071]Remove the guns and you still have a mentally unstable individual that is just as dangerous.[/QUOTE] These people don't go on sprees in other countries because they can't and its not part of their culture. They don't even go on sprees with knives more often than not.
[QUOTE=DeEz;45015405]and americans still deny guns are part of the problem that is gun-related crimes what a surprise[/QUOTE] Europeans still think that their gun control solution works 100% of the time in any country no matter what and that guns are the biggest factor in crimes What a surprise
In terms of gun control and the United States it seems pretty simple to me. It's simply not a problem that can or will be fixed during our lifetimes. There are just as many guns within US borders as citizens and plenty of people who would be willing to kill for their right to keep those guns. Even if they were made illegal the circulation of black market firearms after that point would be INSANE and at that point you would have absolutely NO way of figuring out who the owner of the gun truly was. Trying to ban guns in the US at this point would never work. It would be like trying to ban civilians from owning a sword (which they did) in medieval times. As far as tighter gun control on perhaps who is allowed to own a gun - maybe - but they would have to make it non-discriminatory towards anything other than mental stability.
[QUOTE=DeEz;45015504]knives are incomparable since they actually aren't made for the sole purpose of killing things[/QUOTE] Yes they fucking are. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q9pRf8k97ik/Td2JqugQlBI/AAAAAAAAATs/AKuGxBHQFN8/s400/compressed-gas-knife.jpg[/IMG] This is a compressed gas knife, designed to fuck you up from the inside. Not to mention plenty of switchblades, combat knives, hunting knives, and prison shivs there are, all designed to kill.
[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;45011068]fucking white people[/QUOTE] Good point actually, I've never heard of a black or Hispanic dude going on a school shooting spree.
[QUOTE=DeEz;45015504]knives are incomparable since they actually aren't made for the sole purpose of killing things oh and countries that have strict gun laws have barely or no shootings at all i wonder why that is must be that magical mental health fairy[/QUOTE] Actually no, they're not incomparable. They can kill things too, and no that's not their sole purpose, but that's also not his point. Whenever some criminal stabs somebody, or runs a bunch of people over with his car, people see the man holding the knife or sitting behind the wheel. When a criminal shoots somebody, people don't look further than the gun, but to make any progress anywhere you need to look at the guy holding it.
When it comes to "mental health", here's step number fucking [B]1.[/B] Stop. Making. It. A. Bad. Thing. Whenever we hear about "X is going to a mental health clinic _ for their own good and they're trying to become better _" we immediately go to a thought of "well that's a nutter, fuck them". It deters people from actually speaking out about their problems or what they are dealing with. It makes people afraid to seek help since they don't want to become a pariah. And then, in these rare cases, they snap because they haven't gotten the help they need... ...because we say it's a bad thing
Media glorifies mass shooters > More unstable people decide to act to be glorified and remembered > Media glorifies Mass Shooters > repeat Honestly this is a big part of the issue as well.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45016968]Yes they fucking are. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q9pRf8k97ik/Td2JqugQlBI/AAAAAAAAATs/AKuGxBHQFN8/s400/compressed-gas-knife.jpg[/IMG] This is a compressed gas knife, designed to fuck you up from the inside. Not to mention plenty of switchblades, combat knives, hunting knives, and prison shivs there are, all designed to kill.[/QUOTE] [quote]As divers, we all know what the effects of compressed gas are underwater. Our training teaches us that our lungs would burst from over-inflation if we held our breath and rose to the surface. This principle is key to the effectiveness of the WASP Injection System. This weapon injects a freezing cold ball of compressed gas, approximately the size of a basketball, at 800psi nearly instantly. The effects of this injection will drop many of the world's largest land predators. The effects of the compressed gas not only cause over-inflation during ascent when used underwater, but also freezes all tissues and organs surrounding the point of injection on land or at sea. When used underwater, the injected gas carries the predator to the surface BEFORE blood is released into the water. Thus giving the diver added protection by diverting other potential predators to the surface. [/quote] That is such a horrifying way to die.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;45016071]Remove the guns and you still have a mentally unstable individual that is just as dangerous.[/QUOTE] no thats ridiculous someone without a gun isn't "just as dangerous" as someone that has one
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45015999]And honestly that picture is completely indicative of the delusional attitude the USA has towards this issue.[/QUOTE] saying things that imply that your opinion is right does not make your opinion right. [QUOTE=DeEz;45015405]and americans still deny guns are part of the problem that is gun-related crimes what a surprise[/QUOTE] wow, guns are tied to gun related crimes. who would have thought! no. the problem is the proportion of [I]violent[/I] crimes, not [I]gun[/I] crimes; comparing the number of gun crimes between the US and other countries is pointless and misguided, because obviously the united states has more guns. the argument of those who are opposed to gun control is that guns do not cause an increase in violent crime. try and understand why people commit violent crimes instead of trying to take away the means that they [I]can[/I] but not necessarily [I]will[/I] use. a violent criminal is still a human being, human beings do not kill without reason (even if that reason isn't necessarily good, it still sounds good in their head), and treating those who commit these crimes with empathetic thought will do leagues more for the safety of this country than trying to take away guns ever will. since you apparently either didn't read the thread or didn't care to reply, i'll just say what I said before on the practicality of scale-backs and subsequent gun-bans. a scale-back in production is not going to practically happen. with gun lobbies and an entire political party dedicated to stonewalling any form of regulation, it's just not a feasibility in today's world. scale-backs and subsequent bans can just incentivise gun manufacturers to move to different countries; the problem then ends up becoming the same as that which we see in the war on drugs: smuggling. if we can't stop drugs from coming across the border, how do you expect to stop guns from coming across the border? finally, it's not a fiscal feasibility to enforce prohibition like that. the federal budget is already at a deficit, which means that the amount of new spending that legislators would be able to allocate would be extremely limited; the only other possibilities would be tax increases (political suicide), entitlement cuts (political suicide, you hear republicans talk about it but no politician ever actually does it), or defense cuts (political suicide, with russia flexing its imperial muscle).
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45016968]Yes they fucking are. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q9pRf8k97ik/Td2JqugQlBI/AAAAAAAAATs/AKuGxBHQFN8/s400/compressed-gas-knife.jpg[/IMG] This is a compressed gas knife, designed to fuck you up from the inside. Not to mention plenty of switchblades, combat knives, hunting knives, and prison shivs there are, all designed to kill.[/QUOTE] are they legal?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45015471]I'm not sure what you're trying to say. In many places it is illegal to open carry knives or even concealed carry over certain size. In many places butterfly knives are illegal for example. American gun culture is absolutely retarded as it is right now. Guns are everywhere, safety is disregarded, they're praised as save-all do-all tool. It is a lot easier to commit a mass shooting with a readily available gun than mass stabbing with a readily available knife.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to say that when a guy stabs seven people, the general consensus is that he's fucking crazy, not that knives are a huge problem and they should be banned.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45017302]are they legal?[/QUOTE] Yep, you can buy one for anywhere from $200 and up.
[QUOTE=DeEz;45015504]knives are incomparable since they actually aren't made for the sole purpose of killing things oh and countries that have strict gun laws have barely or no shootings at all i wonder why that is must be that magical mental health fairy[/QUOTE] Guns are designed to kill, sure. But if you're saying that hunting is wrong, and guns should be banned, you're stating a different argument. If you're saying shooting paper, metal, and plastic targets is wrong, you're stating a different argument. If you're saying that I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun to protect myself and my family should someone else with a gun come into my home at 3:00 in the morning, well I would just have to respectfully disagree with you. And if you look up the statistics you loosely refer to, you'd find yourself looking at countries that have better quality of living, different population density, less guns to start with before those gun laws were in place, and, most likely, an increased rate of other crimes on a larger scale as a result of stricter gun laws. Regardless, comparing another country to the US is simply not a reasonable argument. How the fuck can a control group from the UK or AU be an accurate representation of a control group from the US? Hell, you can't even compare [I]states[/I] effectively because they are so different from each other.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;45016968]Yes they fucking are. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q9pRf8k97ik/Td2JqugQlBI/AAAAAAAAATs/AKuGxBHQFN8/s400/compressed-gas-knife.jpg[/IMG] This is a compressed gas knife, designed to fuck you up from the inside. Not to mention plenty of switchblades, combat knives, hunting knives, and prison shivs there are, all designed to kill.[/QUOTE] On the topic of knives being used to kill instead of guns I'm sure someone has pointed out that guns making killing much easier than stabbing someone. If you want to point out that knife attacks have occurred in places like China then you must also realise than many of these attacks are carried our by more than just one person which obviously brings about a higher death troll. If multiple people were to do something like this in a subway (as a recent example of a knife attack) there would most likely be far higher injured and dead. I just cant see how you can bring knives into the debate when they are so much different than guns.
[QUOTE=seano12;45011108]Mental health reform.[/QUOTE] It's both: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/weapons-and-mass-shootings/[/url] Realistically every country has people with undiagnosed mental issues, but America is the only place where you both glorify mass-murders (see the Charlie Brooker video) and have easy access to guns for all.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;45015889]It doesn't make it any less valid, just because a source is directly from a person does it make it any more meaningful? All The Onion's done is sum up the media coverage of the shooting and made a point, a very valid point in my opinion that Americans need to stop sitting on their arses and do something. The broken window theory is nice and all but it applies very specifically to vandalism and regular street crime. I don't particularly see the connection between that and mass shootings, a gunman isn't going to turn around and stop in his tracks because the neighbourhood is neat, tidy and the flower bed looks lovely this time of year. There's also the fact that the broken windows theory is all about micro issues such as broken windows and graffiti that are relatively easy to fix. Most of the issues and causes of mass shootings are inherently macro such as the prevalence of guns in America, the lacklustre mental health system and the media who love it when this happens because tragedy sells. I do understand where you're coming from but at the same time these issues need to be looked at in a more holistic fashion before any form of micro action is taken. That and such actions can often be seen as probing and disrespectful such as the "Stop, Question and Frisk" policy in New York which increased tensions between the the public and law enforcement and led to accusations of institutional racism by minorities.[/QUOTE] My point about the onion is that it's an opinion that people like to throw around as a fact. The connection between gun crime and broken window theory is that, especially in metropolitan areas, quality of living directly relates to crime. It does not pertain specifically to vandalism, it just uses that as an example. It is an umbrella policy that emphasizes cleanliness, yes, but it focuses more so on community involvement and improving the quality of life as a whole in a given geographic location. And you're right, it doesn't relate to mass shooters. But its played a huge role in reducing gang and poverty-driven violence that plagues major metropolitan areas. Compare NYC violent crime rates during the 70s/80s to nowadays and you'll see the effectiveness broken windows has on violent crime reduction. But yes, you are right about mass shooters. My point is that approaches like these have been proven more effective in reducing violent crime than outright gun-bans tenfold. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;45016105]Albeit one that is much easier to subdue and is less likely of being able to cause death. Mass stabbings happen, but people are more likely to survive them.[/QUOTE] Subdue a nut job in a 4,000lb vehicle, I dare you. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=viper shtf;45016999]Good point actually, I've never heard of a black or Hispanic dude going on a school shooting spree.[/QUOTE] except virginia tech and that korean guy who shot up an office. And the one on the LIRR where the guy proceeded to represent himself in court. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;45016113]These people don't go on sprees in other countries because they can't and its not part of their culture. They don't even go on sprees with knives more often than not.[/QUOTE] That's incorrect. Look up mass killings on wiki. There's a list for most developed countries. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45017146]no thats ridiculous someone without a gun isn't "just as dangerous" as someone that has one[/QUOTE] He is if he has nothing to lose.
[QUOTE=DeEz;45015405]and americans still deny guns are part of the problem that is gun-related crimes what a surprise[/QUOTE] Numerous places have been brought up as examples for/against gun laws in varying forms ("New Zealand's lax as shit and they're fine", various statements point to Europe having them and being OK, "Detroit's strict as fuck and they're a hellhole"), and I've even said a couple in my day. But I have noticed a constant that demonstrates why you don't have an annual mass shooting season when we do: The US doesn't treat its citizens like people. Europe does.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017553]He is if he has nothing to lose.[/QUOTE] no lol. stabbing someone requires you to be much closer to the person you want to harm. it also depends on your physical strength, and gives the victim a better chance to run away or fight back. someone attacking you with a gun poses a much, much greater threat than someone coming at you with a knife, to the point where they're barely even comparable
[QUOTE=joes33431;45017196]wow, guns are tied to gun related crimes. who would have thought! no. the problem is the proportion of [I]violent[/I] crimes, not [I]gun[/I] crimes; comparing the number of gun crimes between the US and other countries is pointless and misguided, [B]because obviously the united states has more guns.[/B][/QUOTE] and thus more gun-related crimes i think you unintentionally helped getting my point across here, good for you sport [QUOTE=BFG9000;45016881]Europeans still think that their gun control solution works 100% of the time in any country no matter what and that guns are the biggest factor in crimes What a surprise[/QUOTE] mass shootings are going to keep happening until the US realizes guns make it pretty damn easy to kill people and becomes a progressive country for once
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017553]Subdue a nut job in a 4,000lb vehicle, I dare you.[/QUOTE] Since when do people use cars in mass killings? Cars these days aren't design to plough through things. They have these things called "crumple zones" which try to prevent as little damage to the driver and to the thing they hit as well.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017553] Subdue a nut job in a 4,000lb vehicle, I dare you. [/QUOTE] lmao have you ever driven a vehicle no you haven't
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45017655]no lol. stabbing someone requires you to be much closer to the person you want to harm. it also depends on your physical strength, and gives the victim a better chance to run away or fight back. someone attacking you with a gun poses a much, much greater threat than someone coming at you with a knife, to the point where they're barely even comparable[/QUOTE] Well, Elliot Roger was a scrawny fuck but he still managed to kill just as many people with a knife as he did with a gun. And I bet you if he didnt take a bullet to the brain he probably would've killed three people with his car, too. The fact of the matter if, is someone is insane and wants to kill, they're gonna kill. And frankly, I'd much rather have a gun to protect myself from a guy with a knife, than to just run away and hope he doesnt kill someone who cant run as fast. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DeEz;45017756]lmao have you ever driven a vehicle no you haven't[/QUOTE] Ha. Tell that to my insurance provider that charges me $300 a month. Yes, I drive. And trust me, cars are deadly. Especially in densely populated areas. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DeEz;45017739]and thus more gun-related crimes i think you unintentionally helped getting my point across here, good for you sport mass shootings are going to keep happening until the US realizes guns make it pretty damn easy to kill people and becomes a progressive country for once[/QUOTE] Didn't we already establish that gun crimes make up less than one percent of the overall gun population in the us? If more guns = more gun crime, why the fuck have we not seen the percentage go up, ever?
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017757]Ha. Tell that to my insurance provider that charges me $300 a month. Yes, I drive. And trust me, cars are deadly. Especially in densely populated areas.[/QUOTE] sorry but the idea of mass killings with cars is hilariously asinine
[QUOTE=DeEz;45017794]sorry but the idea of mass killings with cars is hilariously asinine[/QUOTE] Well considering mass killings are what? Four or more people? It's not exactly hard to do.
[QUOTE=Winner;45017871]please explain how someone is just as dangerous when you take away their firearms developed specifically to kill people[/QUOTE] I'll let you know when someone does a mass shooting with a firearm developed specifically to kill a person.
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