Mass Shooting Season 2014 still going strong as four+ are wounded at Seattle Pacific University
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[QUOTE=viper720666;45017848]Well considering mass killings are what? Four or more people? It's not exactly hard to do.[/QUOTE]
this is the typical kind of delusions that allow mass shootings to continue
you're actually comparing a gun's effectiveness to kill to a car's
[QUOTE=DeEz;45017898]this is the typical kind of delusions that allow mass shootings to continue
you're actually comparing a gun's effectiveness to kill to a car's[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying there's all kinds of dangerous shit to kill people with, and focusing on a gun (which by the way most are [I]not[/I] manufactured for the intention of killing people) over anything else people kill others with is pretty damn hypocritical. The only delusion that allows mass shootings to continue is the delusion that banning guns will take them off the streets and keep them out of the hands of psychotic individuals.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017944]No, I'm saying there's all kinds of dangerous shit to kill people with, and focusing on a gun (which by the way most are [I]not[/I] manufactured for the intention of killing people) over anything else people kill others with is pretty damn hypocritical. The only delusion that allows mass shootings to continue is the delusion that banning guns will take them off the streets and keep them out of the hands of psychotic individuals.[/QUOTE]
Guns are designed to kill, cars are not.
When there are a string of mass murders using cars, maybe we will look into legislating cars, but until then it's a non-issue.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45017951]Guns are designed to kill, cars are not.
When there are a string of mass murders using cars, maybe we will look into legislating cars, but until then it's a non-issue.[/QUOTE]
Guns are designed to discharge a projectile or other material, not to kill.
Bullets, on the other hand, CAN BE designed to kill, but not all of them are.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45017757]Well, Elliot Roger was a scrawny fuck but he still managed to kill just as many people with a knife as he did with a gun. And I bet you if he didnt take a bullet to the brain he probably would've killed three people with his car, too. The fact of the matter if, is someone is insane and wants to kill, they're gonna kill. And frankly, I'd much rather have a gun to protect myself from a guy with a knife, than to just run away and hope he doesnt kill someone who cant run as fast.
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its true that if someone wants to kill, they'll probably find a way to do so. it's also true that there are methods of killing that are more effective than others. making guns readily available for purchase gives those people access to a method of killing that is not only easier but also more effective.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45017983]Guns are designed to discharge a projectile or other material, not to kill.
Bullets, on the other hand, CAN BE designed to kill, but not all of them are.[/QUOTE]
Didn't know this I'm going to go have a sit down and rethink my life. Thank you, gun-semantics man.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45017983]Guns are designed to discharge a projectile or other material, not to kill.
Bullets, on the other hand, CAN BE designed to kill, but not all of them are.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, guns were originally made to be weapons against Man. However, times have changed and so have the uses of guns. They can be used for hunting, sport, and new non-lethal guns are designed all the time.
I hate when people say guns weren't designed to kill and that's why they shouldn't be banned. They shouldn't be banned because there are many more uses than killing for a gun. A gun should never be used to kill unless in self-defense. A gun should, however, be used recreationally, or for hunting if you're the kind of person that eats what you hunt.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45017897]I'll let you know when someone does a mass shooting with a firearm developed specifically to kill a person.[/QUOTE]
youre the "guns are designed to shoot bullets not kill people" guy, arent you
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[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45017983]Guns are designed to discharge a projectile or other material, not to kill.
Bullets, on the other hand, CAN BE designed to kill, but not all of them are.[/QUOTE]
yep, lol
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45011479]And any government who's going to say "yea you don't have the right to bear arms" anymore, can just as easily say "yea you don't have the right to free speech, or free protest".[/QUOTE]
Then how come drugs and sex workers are banned and I can still say "fuck (x politician)" on the internet
You're right, they just [I]as easily[/I] can. That's always been the case. It's always been a pen stroke away. They just don't do it because it won't exactly work in their favor. There is a substantial anti-gun sentiment in this country. There is next to no one saying "wow I sure wish we had less freedom of speech".
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45018030]youre the "guns are designed to shoot bullets not kill people" guy, arent you
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yep, lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, how dare I use facts? I should just use propaganda and feelings over facts like everyone else and say "GUNZ R DESIGNED TO KILL AS MANY PPL AS POSSIBLE!!!"
But riddle me this, which parts of a gun makes it a better weapon to kill people with? I mean without the bullets, it's just a giant paperweight.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45018071]Yeah, how dare I use facts? I should just use propaganda and feelings over facts like everyone else and say "GUNZ R DESIGNED TO KILL AS MANY PPL AS POSSIBLE!!!"
But riddle me this, which parts of a gun makes it a better weapon to kill people with? I mean without the bullets, it's just a giant paperweight.[/QUOTE]
You're right and it's the whole tool that works together. Normally when people talk about banning guns, they include bullets in there too in some form.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45018070]then how come drugs and sex workers are banned and I can still say "fuck (x politician)" on the internet[/QUOTE]
Not for long, if this bullshit goes through: [url]http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/06/amending-the-first-amendment-how-the-campaign-finance-amendment-will-silence-free-speech[/url]
[QUOTE=Fausty;45018086]Not for long, if this bullshit goes through: [url]http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/06/amending-the-first-amendment-how-the-campaign-finance-amendment-will-silence-free-speech[/url][/QUOTE]
nobody is paying me to say "fuck (x politician)"
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45017951]Guns are designed to kill, cars are not.
When there are a string of mass murders using cars, maybe we will look into legislating cars, but until then it's a non-issue.[/QUOTE]
Shit. Guns are designed to kill? Maybe assault rifles and machine guns. But those are banned in most states and not used in crime in the rest. What other guns are specifically designed to kill, outside of hunting?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45018085]You're right and it's the whole tool that works together. Normally when people talk about banning guns, they include bullets in there too in some form.[/QUOTE]
Which still doesn't make the "guns are designed to kill people" statement true.
A gun is a tool. If you can't solve the reason people use the tool to do harm, then you won't stop the harm. Sure, you can reduce gun violence by removing guns, but then it just turns into violence. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, or an IED, if the reason people turn to violence still exists, then people will still turn to violence.
But I guess it's much easier to blame an inanimate object than to try and solve the root causes of the violence.
[QUOTE=Winner;45018216]uh, not many, that's the point
guns are made for killing, be it people or animals[/QUOTE]
I see you don't like to use facts in your points, even when you've been proven wrong.
[QUOTE=Winner;45018001]it's one thing to argue that banning them wouldn't do much, but it's another thing to say that wanting to ban them is what [I]causes[/I] shootings
what the hell are you talking about, you're delusional[/QUOTE]
Causes? No. Invites? Absolutely. When was the last time someone shot up a gun range or police station? Predators look for the most densely populated unarmed population they can find.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45018222]Which still doesn't make the "guns are designed to kill people" statement true.
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The whole tool is designed to kil, hurt, destroy, what don't you understand? If you know about the history of guns, firearms, they are designed to do bad things. That's it.
Designed to do things a civilized society shouldn't want people doing to each-other (for no reason). I don't understand why you argue semantics for pages. Semantics like "bullets kill, not guns" and "guns also hurt, not just kill." Who cares?
You guys probably sit there so smugly thinking "this Canadian doesn't know bullets kill people!" seriously it doesn't add anything to the argument, theoretically gun legislation would encompass bullets as well, so mentioning bullets like they are a seperate entity is a waste of time.
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[QUOTE=viper720666;45018164]Shit. Guns are designed to kill? Maybe assault rifles and machine guns. But those are banned in most states and not used in crime in the rest. What other guns are specifically designed to kill, outside of hunting?[/QUOTE]
Maybe TECHNICALLY not designed to kill. They are designed to do bad things, the "designed to kill" is an extreme oversimplification.
Unlike cars and knives, guns only have one use, putting holes through things at a distance. You don't shoot your steak when you want to cut it, there are other tools for that.
Guns excel at one thing, putting holes in things at a distance. Does that make sense?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45018239]The whole tool is designed to kil, hurt, destroy, what don't you understand? Designed to maim, hurt, etc. If you know about the history of guns, firearms, they are designed to do bad things. That's it.
Designed to do things a civilized society shouldn't want people doing to each-other for no reason. I don't understand why you argue semantics for pages.
You aren't winning this gun debate so you argue semantics like "bullets kill, not guns" and "guns also hurt, not just kill." Who cares?
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
Maybe TECHNICALLY not designed to kill. They are designed to do bad things, the "designed to kill" is an extreme oversimplification.
Unlike cars and knives, guns only have one use, putting holes through things at a distance. You don't shoot your steak when you want to cut it, there are other tools for that.
Guns excel at one thing, putting holes in things at a distance. Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]
"bad things" is not a reasonable argument. And no, you don't shoot your steak when you want to cut it, but you do shoot your deer when you want venison. And yes, it does make sense that guns put holes in things at distance. That doesn't translate to kill until the guy pulling the trigger wants it to translate to kill.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45018340]"bad things" is not a reasonable argument. And no, you don't shoot your steak when you want to cut it, but you do shoot your deer when you want venison. And yes, it does make sense that guns put holes in things at distance. That doesn't translate to kill until the guy pulling the trigger wants it to translate to kill.[/QUOTE]
Yes, "Bad things." I keep changing my termonology so you will understand it. They are designed with malice in mind, that's as simple as I can make it.
The guy who shoots up his school just wants to eat his classmates then? No harm no foul, right?
The assasult rifle of love.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45018222]A gun is a tool. If you can't solve the reason people use the tool to do harm,[/QUOTE]
yeah it's just a tool personally i use my gun for punching holes in paper and as a walking stick. the whole "designed to do harm" thing is just how people have decided to use them. but when guns were first invented the idea was just like "we basically want a tool that can make a small object inside go away really fast" and when people started using them to harm others everyone was pretty surprised and angry. and then lawmakers started controlling them and everybody with half a brain was just like "no, it's just a tool you fucking idiots" and rightfully so
if anyone honestly think guns are designed specifically for hurting people and animals then they're obviously an idiot! if it weren't for "gun control" [I]bullshit[/I] you'd find guns up on the rack next to the hammers and screwdrivers. wake up dweebs, shooting a gun isn't any more violent than stabbing a lima bean with your fork. its just that you could also stab a person with your fork..... that doesn't mean your fork was meant for hurting people does it???
there is no such thing as a weapon, the word "weapon" is an idiot word invented by fucking capitalists to control tools they know nothing about
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45018239]The whole tool is designed to kil, hurt, destroy, what don't you understand? Designed to maim, hurt, etc. If you know about the history of guns, firearms, they are designed to do bad things. Things a civilized society shouldn't want people doing to each-other for no reason. I don't understand why you argue semantics for pages.
You aren't winning this gun debate so you argue semantics like "bullets kill, not guns" and "guns also hurt, not just kill." Who cares?[/QUOTE]
So a nail gun is designed to kill? What about a flare gun? Oh, I know, what about a paintball gun? are they designed to kill?
It's not semantics. It's correcting a false assumption that's being used to demonize an object in an attempt to make the opposition seem like evil people, when instead it's asinine and makes the user look like an uninformed person. If you don't want someone to call you out on a false statement, don't make a false statement. It's plain and simple.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45018366]So a nail gun is designed to kill? What about a flare gun? Oh, I know, what about a paintball gun? are they designed to kill? [/QUOTE]
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It's not semantics.[/quote]
Not semantics? Dude I'm obviously not talking about nail-guns.
There's absolutely no justification for guns being legal.. You don't "need" to shoot anything. And if banning guns prevent 10,000+ deaths a year in 1 country alone, then why not?
Debating "guns don't kill people, people do" is also pretty irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45018366]So a nail gun is designed to kill? What about a flare gun? Oh, I know, what about a paintball gun? are they designed to kill?[/QUOTE]
Yes perfect now this is what I call a premium bazinga, bottom line is if somebody says gun I am going to immediately hound them with semantics on not being specific enough. "Oh a glue gun? Why would you want gun control on a glue gun?" is the kinda hot material I dish out while doing my best not to howl with laughter.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45018347]Yes, "Bad things." I keep changing my termonology so you will understand it. They are designed with malice in mind, that's as simple as I can make it.
The guy who shoots up his school just wants to eat his classmates then? No harm no foul, right?
The assasult rifle of love.[/QUOTE]
Gee, that makes sense. So every gun designed for personal defense is malicious, then?
[QUOTE=viper720666;45018404]Gee, that makes sense. So every gun designed for personal defense is malicious, then?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Did you see the article I linked about how 80% of mass shootings are using legally acquired firearms?
You can say "self-defense" but if you go around and shoot your wife and kids or go and shoot up a school then it's obviously not being used for self-defense.
[QUOTE=viper720666;45018404]Gee, that makes sense. So every gun designed for personal defense is malicious, then?[/QUOTE]
No, obviously not dude. A gun is a tool, have you even been following?
[QUOTE=viper720666;45018404]Gee, that makes sense. So every gun designed for personal defense is malicious, then?[/QUOTE]
All guns are malicious.
[QUOTE=seano12;45011108]Mental health reform.[/QUOTE]
The shitty thing about it is, a lot of the time, the shooter in question appears to be perfectly normal as they live their lives, keeping their darker sides a secret until they finally decide to let it go.
[QUOTE=shakey42;45018399]There's absolutely no justification for guns being legal.. You don't "need" to shoot anything. And if banning guns prevent 10,000+ deaths a year in 1 country alone, then why not?
Debating "guns don't kill people, people do" is also pretty irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
That would be a great idea, if banning guns prevented 10,00+ deaths. Too bad it won't. They tried it in the 1994 assault weapons ban and guess what? Didn't work!
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[QUOTE=shakey42;45018449]All guns are malicious.[/QUOTE]
Really? Mine aren't. They're objects. Maybe a little noisy when I use them, but I've fired 15,000+ rounds and haven't hurt so much as a squirrel. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've done a number on paper....
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