'Gays For Trump' Banned From Charlotte Pride Parade - Polidicks

[t]http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/embed/public/2017/06/08/gays-trump.jpg[/t] [quote]A gay, pro-Donald Trump group in North Carolina might take legal action after they were denied participation May 16 to attend the “Charlotte Pride” festival and parade, which takes place Aug. 26-27. The organization reserves the right to refuse applications from groups that “do not reflect the mission, vision and values of our organization,” WJZY reported on Wednesday. “I am very proud of my country, proud of my president and was once proud of my community,” said Brian Talbert, a member of “Gays for Trump.” “I will vote for Donald Trump again. I’m proud of my president. I don’t think I should be vilified because I’m proud of a U.S. president as an American.” “I am very proud of my country, proud of my president and was once proud of my community,” said Brian Talbert, a member of “Gays for Trump.” “I will vote for Donald Trump again. I’m proud of my president. I don’t think I should be vilified because I’m proud of a U.S. president as an American.” The “Gays for Trump” where Talbert is a member is not affiliated with the “Gays for Trump” that is based in Greensboro, North Carolina. Talbert said he and another gay Trump supporter sent an application to Charlotte Pride so they could have a float in the Pride Parade. Charlotte Pride rejected his application through an email. For “Gays for Trump,” the float in the parade was a chance to show they are not racist, bigoted or misogynistic as well as a chance to celebrate gay pride, said Talbert. “For a group of people to claim to want tolerance, for them to sit back and judge me for exercising my right as an American to choose my leader without judgment is hypocritical,” he said. “I believe men and women died to give us that right to choose our own leader. They don’t extend the same courtesy to me for being a gay Republican.” An official written statement released by a spokesperson for Charlotte Pride reads: “Charlotte Pride envisions a world in which LGBTQ people are affirmed, respected and included in the full social and civic life of their local communities, free from fear of any discrimination, rejection, and prejudice. Charlotte Pride invites all individuals, groups, organizations and causes which share our values to join our community’s celebration of the LGBTQ community during the Charlotte Pride Festival and Parade.”[/quote] [url]http://www.ibtimes.com/gays-trump-banned-charlotte-pride-parade-2549703[/url] [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/8/charlotte-pride-parade-bans-gays-for-trump-group/[/url]

"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party." - When I hear gays for trump. The irony. "The organization reserves the right to refuse applications from groups that “do not reflect the mission, vision and values of our organization," - If it's a private organization they can bar whoever they want.

The organization has a right to reject them so y'know. Sucks to be them but there are probably other events they can attempt to get into. Idk how any LGBT person can vote for Trump and think it's a good idea but good for them I guess??

[quote] “I believe men and women died to give us that right to choose our own leader. They don’t extend the same courtesy to me for being a gay Republican.”[/quote] The event coordinators are not stopping these guys from voting Republican. They're exercising their right to choose their event's floats.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52329751]"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party." - When I hear gays for trump. The irony. "The organization reserves the right to refuse applications from groups that “do not reflect the mission, vision and values of our organization," - If it's a private organization they can bar whoever they want.[/QUOTE] More to the point, it's a private event deciding what their message is, not who is attending. Gays 4 Trump can show up to watch if they want.

Well this is an ironic example of conservatives only being upset when it affects them. If a business, conservative activist group, or state legislature decides to do something exclusionary the defense is always, "They're within their rights to do so!". Which is true. Now they're on the other side, upset about the usual argument they make.

both of those sources seem to pull from this primary source [url]http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/259559428-story[/url] (its fox local, not the national fox news, so i trust it with small stuff like this) heres the webpage of "gays for trump" [url]http://gaysfortrump.org/#sthash.vGOEJRV3.dpbs[/url] and of the parade [url]http://charlottepride.org/parade/[/url] I took a look for their rules, and though the parade reserves to right to deny any application, I don't see the "gays for trump" group breaking any of the stated rules specifically the "gays for trump" [URL="http://gaysfortrump.org/facts/#sthash.CQ7H5hDG.dpbs"]mission page [/URL]is considerably immature, but the goal of "showing that not all christians are homophobic" is respectable. I can't see any direct reason for them to be prevented from entering the parade, but it remains the parades right to choose who is allowed

[QUOTE=da space core;52329804]both of those sources seem to pull from this primary source [url]http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/259559428-story[/url] (its fox local, not the national fox news, so i trust it with small stuff like this) heres the webpage of "gays for trump" [url]http://gaysfortrump.org/#sthash.vGOEJRV3.dpbs[/url] and of the parade [url]http://charlottepride.org/parade/[/url] I took a look for their rules, and though the parade reserves to right to deny any application, I don't see the "gays for trump" group breaking any of the stated rules specifically the "gays for trump" [URL="http://gaysfortrump.org/facts/#sthash.CQ7H5hDG.dpbs"]mission page [/URL]is considerably immature, but the goal of "showing that not all christians are homophobic" is respectable. I can't see any direct reason for them to be prevented from entering the parade[/QUOTE] Because they're explicitly endorsing an administration with a vice president that advocates shock therapy to 'cure' gays They're a private organisation and well within their rights to not allow a float.

Personally i always think the "but they're within their rights!" argument falls flat. This goes for both the gays for trump guys and the people barring them, we live in a mostly free country where you have rights to do a lot of positive and shitty things, if you choose to do something shitty and something calls you out on it "but im within my rights" isn't a relevant defense unless they were specifically calling for your rights to be restricted.

[QUOTE=da space core;52329804]both of those sources seem to pull from this primary source [url]http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/259559428-story[/url] (its fox local, not the national fox news, so i trust it with small stuff like this) heres the webpage of "gays for trump" [url]http://gaysfortrump.org/#sthash.vGOEJRV3.dpbs[/url] and of the parade [url]http://charlottepride.org/parade/[/url] I took a look for their rules, and though the parade reserves to right to deny any application, I don't see the "gays for trump" group breaking any of the stated rules specifically the "gays for trump" [URL="http://gaysfortrump.org/facts/#sthash.CQ7H5hDG.dpbs"]mission page [/URL]is considerably immature, but the goal of "showing that not all christians are homophobic" is respectable. I can't see any direct reason for them to be prevented from entering the parade, but it remains the parades right to choose who is allowed[/QUOTE] The problem with the "showing that not all christians are homophobic" argument is that it is equivalent to "I'm not racist, I have black friends" Not to say that all Christians are homophobic, it is just that this particular argument is shit

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52329808]Because they're explicitly endorsing an administration with a vice president that advocates shock therapy to 'cure' gays They're a private organisation and well within their rights to not allow a float.[/QUOTE] i was referring to any direct reason. the "gays for trump" group hasnt been known for being rude or problematic or anything.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52329808]Because they're explicitly endorsing an administration with a vice president that advocates shock therapy to 'cure' gays They're a private organisation and well within their rights to not allow a float.[/QUOTE] I still find it weird that people talk about this like it is a factual statement. [url]http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/[/url] [url]http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/dec/02/gavin-newsom/pences-support-conversion-therapy-not-settled-matt/[/url]

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52329822]The problem with the "showing that not all christians are homophobic" argument is that it is equivalent to "I'm not racist, I have black friends" Not to say that all Christians are homophobic, it is just that this particular argument is shit[/QUOTE] not the best comparison. I dont get the "gays for trump" thing. If their goal was to make trump open to the idea of LGBT rights, they should have known they failed when Pence was appointed VP

[QUOTE=da space core;52329830]not the best comparison. I dont get the "gays for trump" thing. If their goal was to make trump open to the idea of LGBT rights, they should have known they failed when Pence was appointed VP[/QUOTE] People don't always vote for the VP or consider them a big deal to factor in. Mostly because VPs are relatively inconsequential historically in alot of cases.

[quote]“For a group of people to claim to want tolerance, for them to sit back and judge me for exercising my right as an American to choose my leader without judgment is hypocritical,” he said. “I believe men and women died to give us that right to choose our own leader. They don’t extend the same courtesy to me for being a gay Republican.”[/quote] Oh, fuck off with this noise Trump is anti LGBT and this is reflected by his cabinet and if you happen to be LGBT and voted for Trump you 100% deserve to be judged for it because it was a [I]stupid fucking decision[/I] Mike Pence is the VP and I think we're all well aware of his stance on the LGBT community. Betsy DeVos' family has given something like 150 million dollars to the National Organization for Marriage and other 'family values' groups with not-so-thinly veiled anti LGBT stances, and DeVos herself has quipped that old line "We support marriage between one man and one woman because that is the way God set it up”. Her Family is also responsible for the Heritage foundation, and speaking of, Roger Serevino, the man appointed to head the Civil Rights office, happened to be a director there Ben Carson also holds some pretty clear cut anti LGBT views, calling transgendered individuals 'the height of absurdity' And that's just off the top of my head

It's guilty by association imo.

[url]http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious-freedom/[/url] Pence has a slightly mixed record with the LGBT crowd, but the common pattern I see is that he does something against them, then does something else to "appease" them. Everyones rights, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, color, etc should be always, 100% protected. The fact that pence has been somewhat bouncing around on this issue is not acceptable

[QUOTE=Mattk50;52329814]Personally i always think the "but they're within their rights!" argument falls flat. This goes for both the gays for trump guys and the people barring them, we live in a mostly free country where you have rights to do a lot of positive and shitty things, if you choose to do something shitty and something calls you out on it "but im within my rights" isn't a relevant defense unless they were specifically calling for your rights to be restricted.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't see how not allowing gays for trump to participate in the parade is shitty behavior on the part of the organizers tbh though.

Seems fair, Trump hasn't really been pro-LGBT during his presidency. Holding a pride flag once doesn't count.

Like if I went up to CPAC organizers and said "Man I tooootally want to run a climate change booth at your conference, can I?" And then I got denied and cried here about it would you agree with me that they're shitty people or would I just get a shrug and a 'tough luck buddy what'd you expect lol'. Because the latter is kinda' how I feel about this, heh.

They should call it a democrat or left wing parade. It's clearly not a parade for gay people to celebrate their orientation. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;52329917]Like if I went up to CPAC organizers and said "Man I tooootally want to run a climate change booth at your conference, can I?" And then I got denied and cried here about it would you agree with me that they're shitty people or would I just get a shrug and a 'tough luck buddy what'd you expect lol'. Because the latter is kinda' how I feel about this, heh.[/QUOTE] CPAC doesn't claim to be a get together for a sexual orientation.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52329929]They should call it a democrat or left wing parade. It's clearly not a parade for gay people to celebrate their orientation.[/QUOTE] Call me when the GOP accepts Gay Marriage as law of the land

Trump's administration and his party at large have been anti-LGBT. These people haven't been barred from Pride, but they've been barred from using the parade to promote Trump. It makes perfect sense. Also: [quote]“For a group of people to claim to want tolerance, for them to sit back and judge me for exercising my right as an American to choose my leader without judgment is hypocritical,”[/quote] This is where the "so much for the tolerant left" meme comes from. It almost reads like satire.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52329929]They should call it a democrat or left wing parade. It's clearly not a parade for gay people to celebrate their orientation. [/QUOTE] Turns out gay people tend to identify with the part of the political spectrum that treats them like human beings and not like a disease.

[QUOTE=Xion21;52329951]Turns out gay people tend to identify with the part of the political spectrum that treats them like human beings and not like a disease.[/QUOTE] My point is that the purpose of the parade is not to have pride in being gay. These 'Gays for Trump' people have pride in that just like everyone else at the parade. The purpose of the parade seems more to be a political event pushing democrat policy. That's fine, they are totally allowed to do that, but they shouldn't pretend that it's just about having gay pride.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52329966]My point is that the purpose of the parade is not to have pride in being gay. These 'Gays for Trump' people have pride in that just like everyone else at the parade. The purpose of the parade seems more to be a political event pushing democrat policy. That's fine, they are totally allowed to do that, but they shouldn't pretend that it's just about having gay pride.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's a gay pride parade that includes anyone but trump/gop supporters. because maybe in general, the gop has no respect for gay people

[media]https://youtu.be/gajUwQYa310[/media] [media]https://youtu.be/0oO6EvZxO80[/media] I think these videos on the group and their prominent leaders does a good job showing what some of their views might be.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52329966][B]My point is that the purpose of the parade is not to have pride in being gay.[/B] These 'Gays for Trump' people have pride in that just like everyone else at the parade. The purpose of the parade seems more to be a political event pushing democrat policy. That's fine, they are totally allowed to do that, but they shouldn't pretend that it's just about having gay pride.[/QUOTE] A pride parade isn't about being proud of something? If someone believes something [I]against you[/I] why would you support them? It's guilt by association like Pascall said, the Charlotte Pride Parade people don't want to be associated with a group that voted against their best interests.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52329966]My point is that the purpose of the parade is not to have pride in being gay. These 'Gays for Trump' people have pride in that just like everyone else at the parade. The purpose of the parade seems more to be a political event pushing democrat policy. That's fine, they are totally allowed to do that, but they shouldn't pretend that it's just about having gay pride.[/QUOTE] I think you have it the other way around friend. The event is for LGBT individuals and the gays for trump applied to run a float which would espouse [I]republican[/I] values, specifically the values of an administration just chock full of people who have [I]lovely[/I] ideas about LGBT people. [quote] the float in the parade was a chance to show they are not racist, bigoted or misogynistic as well as a chance to celebrate gay pride, said Talbert.[/quote] They had a political purpose: Advertise Trump to those in attendance. Their mission had nothing to do with gay pride, and honestly I don't really think they give a fuck about the gay community in general at all considering the people they support. And since I don't play identity politics, I'd say that the fact that they're gay themselves makes their opinion on the matter no better than any other random asshole on the street. I honestly think they're morons for voting against their own self interest, and I can't conceive as to why they'd make the choices they've made.

Maybe they don't want political signs at their pride rally Maybe they want it to be about gay pride, and not specifically about gay people who voted one way or the other