'Gays For Trump' Banned From Charlotte Pride Parade - Polidicks

The person complaining about this actually said they had a right to vote for their leader [I]without judgment[/I]. No, you fucking dolt, you don't. You have a right to vote. If people want to laugh you out of the fucking building, they can. If people start discriminating against your right to work and rent and so on, then you can start complaining. If a private organization wants to deny a float application because it isn't in line with the parade they're organizing, that's [I]their[/I] right. They are not abridging your freedom of speech. Throw your own Gay Republican parade if you want, organize your own event - they also have the freedom of speech, and not permitting your float is part of it. If you think organizers should be required to accept your float, nobody can complain when the Satanic Temple starts having booths at Christian book sales. Complaining that this is censorship or against freedom of speech is idiotic - requiring organizers to do so would be, though.

I can only imagine a gay masochist voting for Trump

In a way, they have the right to not allow the GFT group parade show floats/banners supporting their decisions. As for the whole "choose a President without judgment" thing, well, I'll let xkcd explain it more. [img]https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png[/img]

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52331613] If a private organization wants to deny a float application because it isn't in line with the parade they're organizing, that's [I]their[/I] right.[/QUOTE] So can bakeries deny gay weddings? Youd support that?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52332545]So can bakeries deny gay weddings? Youd support that?[/QUOTE] Well personally if I were gay and a place denied my gay wedding I'd find another place. There is also a very real argument to be made about adding sexual orientation to the list of things that you can sue for being discriminated for, however, there is absolutely no case for doing the same with political beliefs.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;52332545]So can bakeries deny gay weddings? Youd support that?[/QUOTE] A gay wedding isn't something that is directly at odds with a bakery conceptually. Marching in an LGBT parade with a flag showing support for a cabinet which explicitly is threatening the rights of LGBT people is.

Can someone please explain to me how this is different than sweet cakes? "We won't serve you because your lifestyle does not reflect our ideals""we won't serve you because your opinion does not reflect our ideals"

[QUOTE=silaz;52333222]Can someone please explain to me how this is different than sweet cakes? "We won't serve you because your lifestyle does not reflect our ideals""we won't serve you because your opinion does not reflect our ideals"[/QUOTE] Participation is not a service or a product.

Organizations and businesses are two different types of entities.

[QUOTE=silaz;52333222]Can someone please explain to me how this is different than sweet cakes? "We won't serve you because your lifestyle does not reflect our ideals""we won't serve you because your opinion does not reflect our ideals"[/QUOTE] Literally just a few posts up from yours: [QUOTE=Plattack;52332592]Well personally if I were gay and a place denied my gay wedding I'd find another place. There is also a very real argument to be made about adding sexual orientation to the list of things that you can sue for being discriminated for, however, there is absolutely no case for doing the same with political beliefs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lovely Leslie;52332600]A gay wedding isn't something that is directly at odds with a bakery conceptually. Marching in an LGBT parade with a flag showing support for a cabinet which explicitly is threatening the rights of LGBT people is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pascall;52329766] Idk how any LGBT person can vote for Trump and think it's a good idea but good for them I guess??[/QUOTE] Because their political ideology may swing more to the right and Trump hasn't done or said anything that goes against the homosexuals?

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52333332]Because their political ideology may swing more to the right and Trump hasn't done or said anything that goes against the homosexuals?[/QUOTE] Don't know why people keep saying this shit. Here's a previous post I've made, because I don't want to argue this again. [QUOTE][QUOTE]“WALLACE: But -- but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage?” TRUMP: “I would strongly consider that, yes.”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/01/31/ted-cruz-attacks-donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds.html[/url] [QUOTE]Asked by Bill O’Reilly if he supported same-sex marriage, Trump said, “I'm against it…..I just don't feel good about it. I don't feel right about it. I'm against it and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage.’"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Bill O’Reilly asked Trump about his opposition to same-sex marriage, saying, “They say, the gays, that this violates their rights, that they are American citizens and they should have a right to live the same way heterosexuals live, and you say?” Trump responded, “Well, I think it's a tough situation, and I'll tell you what I say. I say that we have other problems. We have other problems in this country. And I don't think a president should be elected on gay marriage or not gay marriage because we have some very big problems. Based on everything I see, Obama, who said basically the same thing as I do, I think he is going to come out in favor of gay marriage.” O’Reilly said, “Yes, he will. But you remain opposed” Trump said, “I am opposed, yes.”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2011/03/30/donald-trump-sits-down-bill-oreilly.html[/url] [QUOTE]When asked by Bloomberg News how would he explain his stance against same-sex marriage to a gay grandchild, Trump responded, ‘Well, it's the way it is,’ Trump said Wednesday during a Bloomberg interview with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. ‘I wouldn’t speak to them at all about it other than they are who they are, and I want them to be happy and I will love them and I will cherish them.’….‘I’ve gone to gay weddings. I’ve been at gay weddings,’ said Trump. ‘I have been against [same-sex marriage] from the standpoint of the Bible, from the standpoint of my teachings as growing up and going to Sunday school and going to church, and I’ve been opposed to it, and we’ll just see how it all comes out. But, you know, if I was ever in that position I'd just have to explain it.’”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-gay-marriage_us_55df3412e4b029b3f1b1d228[/url] Trump flip-flops far too hard. I can never tell what he actually believes in. At least Obama transitioned into being pro-LGBT. It's obvious that Trump just panders to the supporters, because he can't take a single, comprehensive position on basically anything. For instance, he says he believes climate change is a Chinese hoax, and then goes on three weeks later that it could be a slight possibility that it's true. Like, I'm genuinely not trying to diss on you at all, Tudd. But Trump just doesn't seem like a person that supports LGBT rights at all. And an interview from 2000 isn't going to convince me or others, nor is a picture of him holding up a gay rights flag.[/QUOTE] Also, you can still be a conservative and not support Trump. There's plenty of Republicans I know that didn't vote for Trump. Edit: fixed the links, my bad.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;52333358]Don't know why people keep saying this shit. Here's a previous post I've made, because I don't want to argue this again. Also, you can still be a conservative and not support Trump. There's plenty of Republicans I know that didn't vote for Trump.[/QUOTE] SOURCE: hrc.org - aka the woman who only backs and opposes gay marriage when it's convenient for her. These sources date back as far as 2011. [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-same-sex-marriage-231310"]Trump has already said he's on board with same-sex marriage now.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52329838]People don't always vote for the VP or consider them a big deal to factor in. Mostly because VPs are relatively inconsequential historically in alot of cases.[/QUOTE] Ok so trump's advisors being all fairly anti lgbt might not have anything to do with it but trump himself is anti lgbt so why argue that the trump admin is somehow pro lgbt with exceptions when the entire organization is anti lgbt with a few exceptions [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=toastvendor;52333383]SOURCE: hrc.org - aka the woman who only backs and opposes gay marriage when it's convenient for her. These sources date back as far as 2011. [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-same-sex-marriage-231310"]Trump has already said he's on board with same-sex marriage now.[/URL][/QUOTE] he's also said "I WILL PROTECT YOU" to evangelicals, that they are "Under siege" and that "I will always stand by you!"

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52333332]Because their political ideology may swing more to the right and Trump hasn't done or said anything that goes against the homosexuals?[/QUOTE] I'll go for the low hanging fruit here. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence#Religion_and_LGBT_rights[/url]

[QUOTE=kyle877;52333403]I'll go for the low hanging fruit here. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence#Religion_and_LGBT_rights[/url][/QUOTE] Good fruit, I guess it means it's 100% homophobic and anti-LGBT if it says nothing against lgbt people but lgbt people grasp at straws and THINK an unrelated bill is out to oppose them. Especially when your low hanging fruit includes such damning statements as [QUOTE]If I saw a restaurant owner refuse to serve a gay couple, I wouldn't eat there anymore. As governor of Indiana, if I were presented a bill that legalized discrimination against any person or group, I would veto it.[/QUOTE] Your fruit is a little rotten.

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52333411]Good fruit, I guess it means it's 100% homophobic and anti-LGBT if it says nothing against lgbt people but lgbt people grasp at straws and THINK an unrelated bill is out to oppose them. Especially when your low hanging fruit includes such damning statements as Your fruit is a little rotten.[/QUOTE] So religious discrimination based upon sexuality where it refrains from using certain terms clears them of any ill will? No.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52333418]So religious discrimination based upon sexuality where it refrains from using certain terms leads them of any ill will? No.[/QUOTE] So something is discrimination because people interpreted that something that isn't discriminatory in a way that appeals to their cognitive bias? No.

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52333424]So something is discrimination because people interpreted that something that isn't discriminatory in a way that appeals to their cognitive bias? No.[/QUOTE] So when a religious group moves to shut down gay marriage, that's what to you [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] like what the fuck do you even think you're arguing? Do you want to go into the history of the united states and see fucking tons of times christian representatives caused harm? Do you think those events just didn't fucking happen?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52333454]So when a religious group moves to shut down gay marriage, that's what to you [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] like what the fuck do you even think you're arguing? Do you want to go into the history of the united states and see fucking tons of times christian representatives caused harm? Do you think those events just didn't fucking happen?[/QUOTE] What the fuck do you think you're arguing? You're taking a bill that doesn't implicitly state anything about homosexuality or banning same-sex marriage and taking people's interpretations of it as hard fact.

[QUOTE=toastvendor;52333332]Because their political ideology may swing more to the right and Trump hasn't done or said anything that goes against the homosexuals?[/QUOTE] LGBT also includes bisexuals and transgendered individuals, the latter of which is STILL facing discriminatory practices under the current administration. You guys know that LGBT isn't just homosexuals right.

[URL="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/"]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/[/URL] hey guys is this fucking good enough for you [QUOTE]Tomorrow, Trump will headline the “Road to Majority” conference, an evangelical extremist gathering hosted by the homophobic Faith and Freedom Coalition. This is in addition to his refusal to issue a proclamation acknowledging June as Pride month. Other speakers at the conference will include Mike Pence, Ted Cruz, evangelical author James Dobson, homophobes Pat Boone and Michael Medved, and 15 others. It should come as no surprise that all 21 of the speakers are white. Not a single person of color will be speaking at the event. Trump is scheduled to speak just three days before the LGBTQ Equality March in Washington D.C., which many are interpreting as an not-so-subtle nod toward his commitment to subverting LGBTQ rights. “President Trump’s negligence at the start of Pride month provided another example that this administration is no friend to the community,” says Sarah Kate Ellis, President and CEO of GLAAD. “While the Trump Administration tries to systematically erase LGBTQ people and families from the fabric of this nation, LGBTQ Americans and allies must do what we know best this Pride month—stay visible and march for acceptance.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=silaz;52333222]Can someone please explain to me how this is different than sweet cakes? "We won't serve you because your lifestyle does not reflect our ideals""we won't serve you because your opinion does not reflect our ideals"[/QUOTE] You're not born a Trump supporter.

[QUOTE=1239the;52333486][URL="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/"]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/[/URL] hey guys is this fucking good enough for you[/QUOTE] Happy Pride Month, y'all. I sure do love being an American. Just kidding it's awful.

[QUOTE=1239the;52333486][URL="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/"]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/06/trump-will-honor-pride-month-today-speaking-anti-lgbt-conference/[/URL] hey guys is this fucking good enough for you[/QUOTE] I'm sure when Obama went to a [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/30/obama-visit-baltimore-mosque-show-support-muslims/]mosque[/url] and gave a speech of support there, it was possible to seperate himself from their other views on homosexuality. It is more important to see what they speak at this event instead of guilt by association.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52333524]I'm sure when Obama went to a [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/30/obama-visit-baltimore-mosque-show-support-muslims/]mosque[/url] and gave a speech of support there, it was possible to seperate himself from their other views on homosexuality. It is more important to see what they speak at this event instead of guilt by association.[/QUOTE] The Muslims in America don't have the largest lobby groups to try and stop gay marriage though. Christians have multiple giant organizations who have the sole goal of preventing gay marriage.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52333524]I'm sure when Obama went to a [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/30/obama-visit-baltimore-mosque-show-support-muslims/]mosque[/url] and gave a speech of support there, it was possible to seperate himself from their other views on homosexuality. It is more important to see what they speak at this event instead of guilt by association.[/QUOTE] That's like getting a bunch of racists together at the 2017 Racist Expo and not expecting them to be racist lol but I mean by all means wait and see I guess?

one big difference is that obama visited a mosque as a sign of good faith. That's why people do it, to try to bridge the gap and say 'oh hey we don't hate you' but this isn't the case with trump. Gay-hating christians aren't being persecuted. Theres nothing that could justify him going there outside of him sharing their views. [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] didnt trump even speak at a place like that before his presidency, talking about marriage 'rights' between a man and a woman and that sort?

As part of the republican platform on Marriage and family, as outlined [url=https://www.gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/]here[/url]: [quote]For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal[/quote] Trump himself doesn't want to talk about these issues, and honestly I don't think he personally gives half a shit, but the fact remains that he's been appointing people who are quite happy to work towards upholding this portion of the republican platform. This isn't fucking rocket science, the republicans are opposed to things that the homosexual community wants still, and Trump has assisted them in this goal. Therefore, he is not a friend of the LGBT community. Christ on a fucking cracker I don't even [I]care[/I] about these issues overmuch personally, they're not things which effect me, but the sheer amount of bullshit that gets bandied around with people trying to make the argument that Trump is somehow pro-LGBT is fucking incredible, and I think above all I'm anti-bullshit. It's this hilariously pathetic, tail-tucked-between legs realization that the current zeitgeist makes having these values incredibly unpopular, yet refusing to give them up at their core and just 'pretending' to care while you keep doing the same thing you've always been doing. [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=silaz;52333222]Can someone please explain to me how this is different than sweet cakes? "We won't serve you because your lifestyle does not reflect our ideals""we won't serve you because your opinion does not reflect our ideals"[/QUOTE] The expectation is that if someone is offering a service or product for money, they should be more than willing to take your money regardless of who you are and render the service or product. When it comes to event planning and community organization, where one must apply for something and can be rejected or accepted, I find it's completely reasonable for organizers of an event such as a parade to be selective in which floats they allow to attend and which they do not.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52333524]I'm sure when Obama went to a [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/30/obama-visit-baltimore-mosque-show-support-muslims/]mosque[/url] and gave a speech of support there, it was possible to seperate himself from their other views on homosexuality. It is more important to see what they speak at this event instead of guilt by association.[/QUOTE] lets wait and see if the anti lgbt people are anti lgbt