CNN Florida Poll: 49% for Romney, 48% for Obama; essential tie - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Noss;38105879]I'm not wishing death upon him. The world is just a better place without bigots, especially those who are in a position of power.[/QUOTE] Saying the day of his death will be a good thing is essentially the same as wishing death upon him.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38105849]Actually I'm going to use the fact that if English is a second language, odds are you're not an American and probably don't have a clue to what's going on in the US in reality. Well all I have is what you said earlier. May not have "more" evidence that you [I]are[/I] a racist but I certainly don't have a lot pointing that you aren't, either. [editline]19th October 2012[/editline] I dislike a great deal of people, but there's hardly any human beings on this earth that I actually wish death upon.[/QUOTE] while it's in terrible taste, the world would most certainly be a better place without him.

Hey, I'm in Florida! I'll be voting for Mr. Romney, I'm excited to see what happens with my state.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38105919]while it's in terrible taste, the world would most certainly be a better place without him.[/QUOTE] The world would be a better place [I]without him as president.[/I] As if all the world's hell and torment is due to the mere existence of Romney in the universe :v:

I think it's gotten to the point now where I'd just laugh if Romney actually got voted in. Most of me believes the majority of America isn't stupid and/or reckless enough to vote Romney in; even if they are disappointed in Obama. I thought Mitt Romney was a joke of a candidate, but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe the [I]really [/I]funny joke here is the American electorate.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;38105954]I thought Mitt Romney was a joke of a candidate, but perhaps I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] i thought Santorum was the joke

[QUOTE=Joazzz;38105987]i thought Santorum was the joke[/QUOTE] He was. Governor Romney has been painted as a villain, currently.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;38105987]i thought Santorum was the joke[/QUOTE] No matter how bad Romney gets, I always look back and remember [I]"It could have been Santorum..."[/I]

I'd really like Governor Romney to win exactly 53% of the vote this year.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38105542]Because people cannot be upset about his policies or his performance. No. It HAS to be because he's black. YOU are the racist. Because YOU keep bringing skin tone into this.[/QUOTE] actually plenty of people from the south hate him for it. i hear it all the time from family and friends.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;38105987]i thought Santorum was the joke[/QUOTE] All the republican runner-ups were jokes, including Romney. Romney was ultimately just the most unfunny of them, which is why he became the leading Republican presidential candidate. All of the intelligent and sensible Republicans basically dropped ship after the disaster that was the Bush/Cheney presidency. McCain was probably the only decent republican presidential candidate left (maybe not his policies, but he himself probably would have been an OK president) except he basically destroyed his chances by bringing Sarah Palin into the picture, and now there's just flat out no good republicans running for president. Only the dumb and/or crazy ones are left and Romney was apparently the pick of the litter[del]box[/del]. The very idea that he actually has a solid chance of getting into office just attests to how far the US has fallen in the last 60 years. Really the best outcome would be that Romney was an even bigger liar than anybody previously though. So big of a liar that he actually turns out to be a sensible candidate in the case that he actually does get elected.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38105938]The world would be a better place [I]without him as president.[/I] As if all the world's hell and torment is due to the mere existence of Romney in the universe :v:[/QUOTE] But its people like Romney who ruin this world for other people. Not everyone is a special little snowflake, I personally wouldn't wish or take part in killing people like that, but I certainly won't be grieving when they die. If you want to make the world a worse place for other people, then you shouldn't be a part of it.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;38105893] i follow the happenings of the US through the mass media and the mass media is known to mostly bring out only the good and the bad apples i'll go with a neutral answer if possible[/quote] Well, 99% of America's mass media is biased in one way or another. You have to really critically exam each article and report from it to gauge the reality of the news. [QUOTE=Joazzz;38105893]anything i could do to fix that?[/QUOTE] The easiest way is to not outright state that it's all because of race first thing in a thread. It sort of implies that race is the focus of your mind in regards to the election.

I voted today in the early elections!

[QUOTE=Noss;38106169]But its people like Romney who ruin this world for other people. Not everyone is a special little snowflake, I personally wouldn't wish or take part in killing people like that, but I certainly won't be grieving when they die. If you want to make the world a worse place for other people, then you shouldn't be a part of it.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I'd vote for Romney before I voted for Santorum. There's always a worse person out there. And people "like" Romney is not Romney himself. Sure he's a liar and jumps to which ever policy sells best, but you also have to remember that he's a devoted husband and father. A human being.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106224]Honestly, I'd vote for Romney before I voted for Santorum. There's always a worse person out there. And people "like" Romney is not Romney himself. Sure he's a liar and jumps to which ever policy sells best, but you also have to remember that he's a devoted husband and father. A human being.[/QUOTE] Despite the shots fired at Governor Romney, Scorpious is correct. I don't favor President Obama, but I do respect him.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106187]Well, 99% of America's mass media is biased in one way or another. You have to really critically exam each article and report from it to gauge the reality of the news.[/QUOTE] i was gonna put it like "manipulated mass media" but i didn't really want to look like the paranoid nut i can be sometimes [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106187]The easiest way is to not outright state that it's all because of race first thing in a thread. It sort of implies that race is the focus of your mind in regards to the election.[/QUOTE]last time i did it people thought it was fine, but that was several months ago, and not among the first posts of the thread so i guess it got less attention [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106224]Sure he's a liar and jumps to which ever policy sells best, but you also have to remember that he's a devoted husband and father. A human being.[/QUOTE]politics always seems to ruin everything

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106224]Honestly, I'd vote for Romney before I voted for Santorum. There's always a worse person out there. And people "like" Romney is not Romney himself. Sure he's a liar and jumps to which ever policy sells best, but you also have to remember that he's a devoted husband and father. A human being.[/QUOTE] We'll have to agree to disagree. Whilst I was being excessively hyperbolic with the whole death thing, I still think there should be nowhere within politics that people like Romney and Santorum belong.

[QUOTE=Noss;38106311]We'll have to agree to disagree. Whilst I was being excessively hyperbolic with the whole death thing, I still think there should be nowhere within politics that people like Romney and Santorum belong.[/QUOTE] That hinders the democratic process, though. You have to accept the bad in along with the good, or don't accept anyone at all sadly.

[QUOTE=Noss;38106311]Whilst I was being excessively hyperbolic with the whole death thing, I still think there should be nowhere within politics that people like Romney and Santorum belong.[/QUOTE] somehow romney has always seemed like a clever son of a bitch to me while santorum was just dumb which one i would trust with my country, that i do not surely know

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106327]That hinders the democratic process, though. You have to accept the bad in along with the good, or don't accept anyone at all sadly.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying, but in my opinion under no circumstances should someone be granted the role of a politician if their policies or ideals involve the oppression of a group or individuals. For instance, take the subject of same-sex marriage. LGBT people are being denied the basic rights, such as marriage, that other citizens of America have been able to exercise for hundreds of years.

[QUOTE=Ridge;38105542]Because people cannot be upset about his policies or his performance. No. It HAS to be because he's black. [/QUOTE] No, it has to be because he's black because it's obviously not about his policies and it's not about the things he actually says or does his choice of shoes or ties and it's not about his brand of cigarettes. The far-right-o-sphere doesn't hate him for his policies, they hate him for being his Kenyan-Muslim-Terrorist-Fist-Bumping-Unfeminine-Wife-Having-Slighltly-Smaller-Flag-Pin-Wearing-Fleeting-Knowing-Of-Left-Wing-Nobodies-Uppity-"Food Stamps President"-Being-Death-Panel-Creating-Socialist-Communist-America-Hating-Indonesian-Having-Been-To-ing-Other-Nations'-Cuisine-Eating-And-Anti-Gun-Attitude-Despite-Never-Pressing-Any-Anti-Gun-Legistlation-ing-Elitist-Birth-Certificate-Hiding-But-Not-Really-ing-Using-ACORN-For-Voter-Fraud-That-Never-Was-ing Self. Maybe you could make the argument that the response of mainstream right-wing rhetoric to his presidency was not racist if [b]THEIR RESPONSE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH REALITY AS OPPOSED TO A MILLION AND ONE UNFOUNDED, FORMLESS FLEETING FITS OF OTHERING, "HE'S NOT LIKE US" FANTASY.[/b]

sorry

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38105779]Source: [url]http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/02/12_postracial.shtml[/url] If it didn't play an aspect in 2008, it [B]definitely[/B] isn't one now.[/QUOTE] That study was contested. [URL="http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199735204.001.0001/acprof-9780199735204-chapter-003"]It's actually cited when claiming the opposite.[/URL] [URL="http://mst.michaeltesler.com/uploads/jop_rr_full.pdf"]There's much more evidence actual racial hatred had an impact on the election and is on the rise.[/URL] You know, when you look up a study by people involved in the topic, not what two economists think.

and im so so so glad that he's going to win the election because, despite me [i]not actually liking obama[/i] and having lots actual, valid (as opposed to crazy manchurian candidate conspiracy theorist) criticisms of him; the prospect of bathing in a bath of pure, essential-oil like racist republican tears for four more years seems like it might outweigh any murderous drone strikes and indefinite detention of american citizens i will bottle it and drink it and never ever grow old

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38106470]No, it has to be because he's black because it's obviously not about his policies and it's not about the things he actually says or does his choice of shoes or ties and it's not about his brand of cigarettes. The far-right-o-sphere doesn't hate him for his policies, they hate him for being his Kenyan-Muslim-Terrorist-Fist-Bumping-Unfeminine-Wife-Having-Slighltly-Smaller-Flag-Pin-Wearing-Fleeting-Knowing-Of-Left-Wing-Nobodies-Uppity-"Food Stamps President"-Being-Death-Panel-Creating-Socialist-Communist-America-Hating-Indonesian-Having-Been-To-ing-Other-Nations'-Cuisine-Eating-And-Anti-Gun-Attitude-Despite-Never-Pressing-Any-Anti-Gun-Legistlation-ing-Elitist-Birth-Certificate-Hiding-But-Not-Really-ing-Using-ACORN-For-Voter-Fraud-That-Never-Was-ing Self. Maybe you could make the argument that the response of mainstream right-wing rhetoric to his presidency was not racist if [b]THEIR RESPONSE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH REALITY AS OPPOSED TO A MILLION AND ONE UNFOUNDED, FORMLESS FLEETING FITS OF OTHERING, "HE'S NOT LIKE US" FANTASY.[/b][/QUOTE] Mainstream right wing America has been mostly big on Obama's financial policies as a problem. But it's easy to mix in the fringe extreme right wing bullshit into that as "mainstream" when you're left because everything on the right is just shit then.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106539]Mainstream right wing America has been mostly big on Obama's financial policies as a problem. But it's easy to mix in the fringe extreme right wing bullshit into that as "mainstream" when you're left because everything on the right is just shit then.[/QUOTE] but in america, the extreme right wing [i]is[/i] half of the mainstream

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38106539]Mainstream right wing America has been mostly big on Obama's financial policies as a problem. But it's easy to mix in the fringe extreme right wing bullshit into that as "mainstream" when you're left because everything on the right is just shit then.[/QUOTE] Except not. Except the only way a grown adult capable of feeding themselves could not understand that it takes more than four years to recover from a decade of crippling market deregulation was if they had paranoid delusions about him attempting to destroy his country. If it was based "mostly" on his financial policies then the Right-Wing's attitude towards Obama would be exactly that: "We disagree with his policies, we think our policies would be better." As opposed to what their attitude actually is, which is that he is the literal antichrist sent from the dark heart of Africa to destroy our nation.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38106612]Except not. Except the only way a grown adult capable of feeding themselves could not understand that it takes more than four years to recover from a decade of crippling market deregulation was if they had paranoid delusions about him attempting to destroy his country. If it was based "mostly" on his financial policies then the Right-Wing's attitude towards Obama would be exactly that: "We disagree with his policies, we think our policies would be better." As opposed to what their attitude actually is, which is that he is the literal antichrist sent from the dark heart of Africa to destroy our nation.[/QUOTE] So you're basically agreeing that it's because he's black or some other irrelevant reason, not any actual economic or social critique of his policies?

Racism plays a large role in this. I don't see how that isn't visible to you. Candidates aren't going to say much about race directly, but they'll play the card that he isn't like the rest of the country. However, people, are saying a LOT about race, and the people are what determine the elections in at least a few small ways.