Philip Seymour Hoffman leaves his children out of his will, did not want them to become "trust fund - Polidicks

It's pretty strange that he wrote his will at such a young age.

[QUOTE=Yogkog;45477322]It's pretty strange that he wrote his will at such a young age.[/QUOTE] you're supposed to write your will pretty young because you generally won't know when you're going to die plus he's famous and rich so he probably had lawyers and accountants pestering him to write dat shit

[QUOTE=Yogkog;45477322]It's pretty strange that he wrote his will at such a young age.[/QUOTE] I've been having a will for 2 years now, and I'm 25. It's pretty simple, just says that my parents get most of my stuff including my car, and my niece gets all my actual money (which isn't much, but will probably help her when she turns 18). Just makes things easier.

If he actually cared about his kids he wouldn't have recklessly been doing drugs. He could have been there for his kids and raised them to be good people with good ethics. But no, he effectively said fuck you you little brats I don't trust you.

[QUOTE=3picFail;45477740]If he actually cared about his kids he wouldn't have recklessly been doing drugs. He could have been there for his kids and raised them to be good people with good ethics. But no, he effectively said fuck you you little brats I don't trust you.[/QUOTE] You don't quite understand how addiction works, do you?

[QUOTE=Swiket;45476760]Jackie Chan did the same thing, as well.[/QUOTE] Jackie Chan is dead?!?!!?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45477758]You don't quite understand how addiction works, do you?[/QUOTE] Ex meth addict, and cigarettes have me in a pretty nice vice right now. I guarantee you that I have a better understanding of it that than you. If having kids isn't motivation to do right, then I can guarantee that he didn't care about them outside of image. My motivation to get cleaned up was watching my friends and family fall apart around me. And most importantly, I didn't want to miss out on my neice and nephews' lives, knowing that they're growibg up in a struggle (which has gotten much better thankfully).

[QUOTE=3picFail;45477883]Ex meth addict, and cigarettes have me in a pretty nice vice right now. I guarantee you that I have a better understanding of it that than you. If having kids isn't motivation to do right, then I can guarantee that he didn't care about them outside of image. My motivation to get cleaned up was watching my friends and family fall apart around me. And most importantly, I didn't want to miss out on my neice and nephews' lives, knowing that they're growibg up in a struggle (which has gotten much better thankfully).[/QUOTE] Your personal experience doesn't and will never compare the same way of other addicts because every person acts and is different, bla bla bla, just because it happened to you that way doesn't mean it will happen to others, bla bla bla, don't speak in the name of someone you don't know, especially when it's for a dead father's family, it's rude.

[QUOTE=Lamar;45476409]This maybe an unpopular opinion. Honestly, I find this kind of mentality silly. I understand their reasoning behind it, but I don't think there is anything wrong in them passing down their wealth to their children. Why not at least inspire the kids to follow their dream careers? If the kids just sit on their asses do nothing with their lives, then the parents at least share some of the blame.[/QUOTE] One of the guys on dragons den (shark tank or w/e in the US) has a neat idea, he's not leaving his children any money so to speak, but they get money depending on what job they do, if they do something that doesn't pay well, but helps people, like nursing, they'll get 4 times their pay, which is the best of both worlds imo

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45477903]Your personal experience doesn't and will never compare the same way of other addicts because every person acts and is different, bla bla bla, just because it happened to you that way doesn't mean it wippen to others, bla bla bla, don't speak in the name of someone you don't know, especially when it's for a dead father's family, it's rude.[/QUOTE] You're right, my personal experience has nothing to do with his or anyone elses. You know whats really rude thiugh? ODing when you have a wife and three kids. I think I'n entitled to some of my opinion when I have experience with addictions firsthand and secondhand. Look at how the media portrays this as something good. While the thought counts, anyone else who didn't have status like this would be looked at as a peice of shit. Then again, this is sensationalist headlines. edit: Has anyone actually thought about his kids? i didb't read through the whole thread, but I'd bet my life that the kids could give half a shit about the money and would rather have their dad alive .

[QUOTE=3picFail;45477986]You're right, my personal experience has nothing to do with his or anyone elses. You know whats really rude thiugh? ODing when you have a wife and three kids. I think I'n entitled to some of my opinion when I have experience with addictions firsthand and secondhand. Look at how the media portrays this as something good. While the thought counts, anyone else who didn't have status like this would be looked at as a peice of shit. Then again, this is sensationalist headlines. edit: Has anyone actually thought about his kids? i didb't read through the whole thread, but I'd bet my life that the kids could give half a shit about the money and would rather have their dad alive .[/QUOTE] You sure thought about your friends and family when you started doing drugs. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] Oh wait, only [I]after[/I] you became addicted.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;45476099]Bill Gates did the same thing too, right?[/QUOTE] no he's leaving them trusts worth dozens of millions each, this is just breading future legal troubles

[QUOTE=3picFail;45477883]Ex meth addict, and cigarettes have me in a pretty nice vice right now. I guarantee you that I have a better understanding of it that than you. If having kids isn't motivation to do right, then I can guarantee that he didn't care about them outside of image. My motivation to get cleaned up was watching my friends and family fall apart around me. And most importantly, I didn't want to miss out on my neice and nephews' lives, knowing that they're growibg up in a struggle (which has gotten much better thankfully).[/QUOTE] this is the same as people telling other depressed people to snap out of it because "ugh i've been depressed i know what its like"

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45478067]You sure thought about your friends and family when you started doing drugs. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] Oh wait, only [I]after[/I] you became addicted.[/QUOTE] ooh, zinger. You know why I wad mentioning my experiences? scorpious assumed that I didn't have nuch experience with addiction. And for some reason now you're up my ass about it. Unlike everyone's precious mr. Hoffman, I did something about my mistakes instead of letting everyone else be a fallback. It's not like the world would have stopped turning without me. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45478240]this is the same as people telling other depressed people to snap out of it because "ugh i've been depressed i know what its like"[/QUOTE] If someone is addicted to something, you better tell them to snap out of it. Most of the time, people addicted to drugs don't take the thoughts and considerations they need to, and it can take someone who has similar experiences to help them gain perspective. So yeah, its exactly like that, dick.

[QUOTE=3picFail;45478304]If someone is addicted to something, you better tell them to snap out of it. Most of the time, people addicted to drugs don't take the thoughts and considerations they need to, and it can take someone who has similar experiences to help them gain perspective. So yeah, its exactly like that, dick.[/QUOTE] the point is that if it's truly an addiction you can't just "snap out of it"

generally its good to get money flowing when you have super rich families like this otherwise they end up just holding onto it and living off the interest and returns from existing businesses like the french or russian aristocracy used to

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45478372]the point is that if it's truly an addiction you can't just "snap out of it"[/QUOTE] I never said otherwise. If I implied it, I apoligize, it was not my intent.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;45476099]Bill Gates did the same thing too, right?[/QUOTE] yeah but they're wealthy already. By the time he dies they'll already be millionaires. Plus it's not like bill gates was the first wealthy person in his family. his mom was p wealth too

Wait? So you guys oppose having a landed gentry class that hoard all of the wealth? Is this some kind of evil un-American liberal cultural trend?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45476860]Look up "the curse of the lottery". I did a paper on it back in high school. It's pretty interesting to say the least. It's amazing how large sums of money will change people.[/QUOTE] Frankly, were I to win the lottery, I'd just put it all on a bank account and never touch the money itself while living a comfortable middle-class lifestyle off the interest alone, and pursuing my true desires as far as career goes instead of working somewhere I don't like for money. Perhaps start my own business.

[QUOTE=3picFail;45478304]ooh, zinger. You know why I wad mentioning my experiences? scorpious assumed that I didn't have nuch experience with addiction. And for some reason now you're up my ass about it. Unlike everyone's precious mr. Hoffman, I did something about my mistakes instead of letting everyone else be a fallback. It's not like the world would have stopped turning without me. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] If someone is addicted to something, you better tell them to snap out of it. Most of the time, people addicted to drugs don't take the thoughts and considerations they need to, and it can take someone who has similar experiences to help them gain perspective. So yeah, its exactly like that, dick.[/QUOTE] What you aren't understanding is that there was a period between you starting your addiction, and you "snapping out of it" where you were so controlled by your addiction you didn't want to stop. Hoffman was in that period when he died. Just because you "snapped out of it" before him does not make you a better person.

I'm more shocked that Sting has $300 million. Jesus.

[QUOTE=Swiket;45476760]Jackie Chan did the same thing, as well.[/QUOTE] Jackie chan also donates all his money to charity. Watch this show, jackie is really awesome [video=youtube;HGCVWJSx17M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGCVWJSx17M[/video]

[QUOTE=smfE;45479906]Jackie chan also donates all his money to charity. Watch this show, jackie is really awesome [video=youtube;HGCVWJSx17M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGCVWJSx17M[/video][/QUOTE] He also blindly supports the Communist party of China's authoritarianism and oppression.

[QUOTE=Lamar;45476409]This maybe an unpopular opinion. Honestly, I find this kind of mentality silly. I understand their reasoning behind it, but I don't think there is anything wrong in them passing down their wealth to their children. Why not at least inspire the kids to follow their dream careers? If the kids just sit on their asses do nothing with their lives, then the parents at least share some of the blame.[/QUOTE] Personally, I see this as a control freak thing. He thinks he can control them even after he's dead and he's using his will to do it. Reality= they will succeed, or fail, in life [i]no matter what he does[/i]. Kids grow up to do their own thing, the most parents can do is educate them and lead by example as role models. This guy died of a drug overdose. You can draw your own conclusions about the positive impact his parenting will have on his kids.

[QUOTE=Lamar;45476409]This maybe an unpopular opinion. Honestly, I find this kind of mentality silly. I understand their reasoning behind it, but I don't think there is anything wrong in them passing down their wealth to their children. Why not at least inspire the kids to follow their dream careers? [B]If the kids just sit on their asses do nothing with their lives, then the parents at least share some of the blame[/B].[/QUOTE] what do you think hes trying to avoid? Parents who spoil their kids tend to have kids who grow up knowing very little life skills and being very risk and work adverse. Why wouldn't you be if you've had everything catered to you? It's not like hes kicking them out on the street and going "this is how i did it in my day!!!", he just doesn't want them growing up in the trust fund kiddie lifestyle of excess from an early age. Contrary to popular belief, some of the most unhappiest people are usually the people with wealth they never worked for. Look at all the rampant addiction in young hollywood stars, addiction is usually indicative of a problem that goes beyond just really great drugs. For whatever reason, humans can't seem to be happy without some form of existential struggle to overcome.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45479986]He also blindly supports the Communist party of China's authoritarianism and oppression.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that he doesn't support it but he believes that China would implode if it suddenly changed to a democracy.

[QUOTE=3picFail;45478304]ooh, zinger. You know why I wad mentioning my experiences? scorpious assumed that I didn't have nuch experience with addiction. And for some reason now you're up my ass about it. Unlike everyone's precious mr. Hoffman, I did something about my mistakes instead of letting everyone else be a fallback. It's not like the world would have stopped turning without me. [editline]23rd July 2014[/editline] If someone is addicted to something, you better tell them to snap out of it. Most of the time, people addicted to drugs don't take the thoughts and considerations they need to, and it can take someone who has similar experiences to help them gain perspective. So yeah, its exactly like that, dick.[/QUOTE] Hey, i'm an ex heroin addict. It took nearly dying three times for me to shape up my life and it took removing every one and every influence that was around me for a long time to manage it. If you think it's as easy as 'Snap out' of it, you have literally no idea about addictions and need to be quiet here.

Why would it go to his kids at all? His wife would have been the next person in line even without a will. Really it's just him sending a message to his wife and making sure the kids don't become spoiled.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45476449]why can't they follow their dream careers with less money? if anything, if you're already rich enough that you don't have to work unless you want to, you're gonna be less motivated to get off your ass and work towards what you want[/QUOTE] It also serves as a good incentive. I.e. "Do you want to go to XYZ college because of their really good Biomed Program that you've shown extreme interest/initiative in? We'll definitely help, but you still have to show that initiative"