Two Muslim religious leaders removed from flight because pilot refused to fly with them - Polidicks

[QUOTE=amute;29700048]Pearl Harbour was done by space Aliens[/QUOTE] now this is something i can get onboard with :v:

[QUOTE=amute;29700048]Pearl Harbour was done by space Aliens[/QUOTE] Space mexicans did WHAT?

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29694058]nah, the maximum temperature at which jet fuel burns isn't hot enough to melt steel[/QUOTE] what the fuck is maximum temperature?

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29701564]now this is something i can get onboard with :v:[/QUOTE] I'm sure you believe it.

there's no such thing as maximum temperature

[QUOTE=thisispain;29702904]there's no such thing as maximum temperature[/QUOTE] maximum temperature that jet fuel can reach in this atmosphere silly

[QUOTE=amute;29702735]I'm sure you believe it.[/QUOTE] yeah, because i think its possible there was more to 9/11 that what is apparent, i must also believe in aliens i look forward to your appearance in the darwin awards edit: what a waste of an 06er

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29702968]maximum temperature that jet fuel can reach in this atmosphere silly[/QUOTE] what exactly is the temperature, because that's not how temperature works temperature is the measure of the amount of kinetic energy, the only limitation is zero in which atoms don't move, there's no upper limit. [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] plus what kind of jet fuel, they aren't all made the same plus the temperature also depends on the pressure of the air, how much oxygen there is, the circumstance's it's burning in

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29702976]yeah, because i think its possible there was more to 9/11 that what is apparent, i must also believe in aliens i look forward to your appearance in the darwin awards edit: what a waste of an 06er[/QUOTE] No, I just believe you're insane.

[QUOTE=pal670;29674757]And also Of the Unbelievers: Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5) Need more proof?[/QUOTE] MASS QUOTE :siren: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. But who are the they being referred to in the verse above? The previous verse had the answer. “What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O Muhammad) canst not find a road.” (Qur’an 4:88) It is the hypocrites being referred to (not apostates as insinuated by Christians) and in dealing with those who pretend to be Muslims on the outside, but are the enemies of Islam in reality. Such hypocrites are the ones who would aid the pagans against the Muslims. So we see the missionaries’ claims that the verse in Sura’ An-Nissa’ (4):89 refers to the punishment of apostates falls flat on their face. This is further attested to by Ibn Katheer in this tafseer of the above verse, when he says q489ibnkatheer Qur'anic Commentary on Sura' An Nissa' (4):89 And His [God's] saying “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they)” means that they (the hypocrites) wish you misguidance so as to be like them in it; and this is due only to their great animosity and hatred towards you, that’s why God said “so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah(meaning left al-hijrah)” as said by Al-Awfy based on Ibn Abbas, and Al-Saddy said “they showed their kufr, then take them and kill them wherever you find them, “and take no friends or helpers from their ranks” means not to take any of them as allies or seek their support against the enemies of Allah as long as they are like this; then Allah excluded from them. So, the next question is: who are the hypocrites? Hypocrites are those who take the Islamic Shahada (Confession of Faith) but do not mean it. They do so on the sole aim of trying to cause division and hatred within the Muslim ranks. Consider the following from Sura’ Al-Munafiqun (63):1, as follows: “When the hypocrites come to thee, they say ‘We bearth witness that thou art indeed the messenger of Allah. Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed his messenger, and All?bearth witness that the hypocrites are indeed liars.” The above verse speaks for itself. Here, God Almighty is describing the hypocrites; they are the people who profess the Islamic faith but are lying and do not mean it. When the Prophet(P) first migrated to Madina and preached to the people there, there were some Jews and pagan Arabs who profess Islam but in fact seek to destroy the faith. Thus, the hypocrites are not synonymous with apostates as Christians are trying to claim.

Hellooooo? Any follow-up news on this? I hope that fucker got fired.

[QUOTE=thisispain;29703027]what exactly is the temperature, because that's not how temperature works temperature is the measure of the amount of kinetic energy, the only limitation is zero in which atoms don't move, there's no upper limit. [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] plus what kind of jet fuel, they aren't all made the same plus the temperature also depends on the pressure of the air, how much oxygen there is, the circumstance's it's burning in[/QUOTE] What type of fuel? well both Jet-A and Jet-A1 ignite at ~200 degrees, and their open air burning temperature is a bit under 300 degrees I doubt they were using Jet-B, or some military fuel so let's take those out of consideration. So at 1atm, at the temperature of say, 20 degrees, with the presence of 20% oxygen in the air, Jet-A fuel would burn at 300 degrees. is that better for you or are you going to find something else to nickpick on

[QUOTE=amute;29703448]No, I just believe you're insane.[/QUOTE] we have something in common then

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29705119]we have something in common then[/QUOTE] Because I think a huge fucking jumbo-jet filled with fuel crashing into a glass and steel building is cause for it to collapse?

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29704768] So at 1atm, at the temperature of say, 20 degrees, with the presence of 20% oxygen in the air, Jet-A fuel would burn at 300 degrees. is that better for you or are you going to find something else to nickpick on[/QUOTE] oh wow are you ten years old? jet fuel could burn at any temperature, and it auto-ignites at 210 C. an open air fire is only just fuel burning but i thought we were talking about the WTC here? [img]http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/911TwinTowers.jpg[/img] so tell me, just how many tons of materials does a busy office building have? fuel is an ignition source, it doesn't burn for long periods of time at all. what caught fire [B]was the metric fuck ton of things besides the fuel.[/B] planes catch fire when they collide with the ground because of friction, and a huge ass plane colliding with a huge ass piece of metal is gonna create massive amounts of heat. in short, shut up you don't know what the hell you are even talking about

flinging insults around doesn't make your arguments any more viable. starting to annoy me.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29706595]flinging insults around doesn't make your arguments any more viable. starting to annoy me.[/QUOTE] there's no argument, the 9/11 truth thing was debunked ages ago and anyone who actually understands the subjects wouldn't believe in it. the fuel argument is amazingly laughable, and the fact that people continue to propagate these bizarre ignorant ideas is frankly pathetic [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] and i still don't know what the fuck maximum temperature is [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] PPS: rating people dumb doesn't make your arguments any less ridiculous

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29706595]flinging insults around doesn't make your arguments any more viable. starting to annoy me.[/QUOTE] You don't have viable arguments, that's the problem here. Here's a quick question: What possible piece of evidence could you learn of that would convince you that you're wrong?

neither do you. how about you present that evidence then. im not saying it doesnt exist, i want to see it though. [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] it makes no sense for me to accept stuff from one side of the argument and not the other, does this not make sense? so far you have just flung bullshit, the only guy with a reasonable argument i asked for more info. you on the otherhand, contribute nothing and insist on shitting up the thread.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29706748]neither do you. how about you present that evidence then. im not saying it doesnt exist, i want to see it though. [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] it makes no sense for me to accept stuff from one side of the argument and not the other, does this not make sense? so far you have just flung bullshit, the only guy with a reasonable argument i asked for more info. you on the otherhand, contribute nothing and insist on shitting up the thread.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying I have a specific piece of evidence to present, i'm asking what evidence could I hypothetically present that would make you go "Oh, ok, i'm wrong"? e: I also find it funny that you accuse me of shitting up the thread when you're the one that started posting about 9/11 conspiracies.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;29706799]I'm not saying I have a specific piece of evidence to present, i'm asking what evidence could I hypothetically present that would make you go "Oh, ok, i'm wrong"? e: I also find it funny that you accuse me of shitting up the thread when you're the one that started posting about 9/11 conspiracies.[/QUOTE] how am i supposed to tell you what evidence i dont know, so you can tell me so i know. touche

This isn't America, these are a bunch of assholes who live in America. I hope he gets fired as he should. [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=edja007;29674424]While his reasons were biased, I am kinda glad to see we aren't 100% bowing to muslims and doing anything they request. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Idiot" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] This is the new strategy of bigots. If a group of people want equal treatment, just claim that giving them that equal treatment is "kissing their asses" or "bowing down to them." I keep seeing this shit over and over again.

[quote]It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse. It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire. The additional problem was distortion of the steel in the fire. The temperature of the fire was not uniform everywhere, and the temperature on the outside of the box columns was clearly lower than on the side facing the fire. The temperature along the 18 m long joists was certainly not uniform. Given the thermal expansion of steel, a 150°C temperature difference from one location to another will produce yield-level residual stresses. This produced distortions in the slender structural steel, which resulted in buckling failures. Thus, the failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire.[/quote]

The government planned 9/11 so we could go to Iraq and to distract us from the secret Muslim Kenyan who was set up with a fake birth certificate from Hawaii while he became president while Osama Bin Laden faked his death so we could reelect the secret Muslim Kenyan president! Conspiracy theories! Tah-dah!

[QUOTE=Mattk50;29707008]how am i supposed to tell you what evidence i dont know, so you can tell me so i know. touche[/QUOTE] Was there supposed to be something witty in that word salad? I'm not talking about any evidence i'm going to present, this isn't some sly tactic, i'm asking to see if your theory is falsifiable. For example, I hold evolution with natural selection to be the driving force and explanation for the diversity of life present on earth. Now, if scientists unearthed a modern human skeleton in precambrian rock, and reliably dated it, or any other definite out of place fossil, that would disprove the current model evolution we have. Not every single bit of it, but the linear evolution over time part. Now, there has to be something similar for your hypothesis. What is a piece of evidence you could hypothetically be presented with that would disprove what you believe? e: This is a very simple question that forms a basic part of every explanatory framework. Either you can answer with something, or say "nothing could ever change my mind".

[QUOTE=thisispain;29706667]there's no argument, the 9/11 truth thing was debunked ages ago and anyone who actually understands the subjects wouldn't believe in it. the fuel argument is amazingly laughable, and the fact that people continue to propagate these bizarre ignorant ideas is frankly pathetic [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] and i still don't know what the fuck maximum temperature is [editline]8th May 2011[/editline] PPS: rating people dumb doesn't make your arguments any less ridiculous[/QUOTE] so you think I'm a conspiracy theorist huh well all I said was that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel by itself, which is true never in my posts did I mention WTC - where did you get that from stop assuming things and read next time

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29708227]so you think I'm a conspiracy theorist huh well all I said was that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel by itself, which is true never in my posts did I mention WTC - where did you get that from stop assuming things and read next time[/QUOTE] in the context you were posting it that's the statement you were making so hurr backpedal some more

[QUOTE=thisispain;29708715]in the context you were posting it that's the statement you were making so hurr backpedal some more[/QUOTE] no the first post I made was [quote]the maximum temperature at which jet fuel burns isn't hot enough to melt steel [/quote] which addressed another user's statement that jet fuel burning [i]can[/i] melt the steel, which was a reply to someone's claim that steel cannot be melted using jet fuel

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29708916]no the first post I made was which addressed another user's statement that jet fuel burning [i]can[/i] melt the steel, which was a reply to someone's claim that steel cannot be melted using jet fuel[/QUOTE] yeah but the context that you posted that in was in the context of WTC so whatevers

Why can't we just have this discussion in the chat subforum? I don't want to start one up, because I'd look like a dumbass.