Two Muslim religious leaders removed from flight because pilot refused to fly with them - Polidicks

Yet if the pilot refused to fly because of Christians doing something or Jews, you would all be agreeing with him and posting that idiotic picture of the guy with the tangled light bulbs.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;29675348]Jihad bil Saif is the only form of warfare that Islamic law allows. It only allows warfare when the enemy has started it, along with other rules. There are also multiple types of Jihad - a jihad is a struggle, be it to improve yourself, to improve the Islamic faith, or to defend Islam.[/QUOTE] And some rules on how you should commit Jihad bil Saif: [quote] [LIST] [*]The opponent must always have started the fighting. [*]It must not be fought to gain territory. [*]It must be launched by a religious leader. [*]It must be fought to bring about good - something that Allah will approve of. [*]Every other way of solving the problem must be tried before resorting to war. [*]Innocent people should not be killed. [*]Women, children, or old people should not be killed or hurt. [*]Women must not be raped. [*]Enemies must be treated with justice. [*]Wounded enemy soldiers must be treated in exactly the same way as one's own soldiers. [*]The war must stop as soon as the enemy asks for peace. [*]Property must not be damaged. [*]Poisoning wells is forbidden. The modern analogy would be chemical or biological warfare. [/LIST] [/quote]

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29675387]Yet if the pilot refused to fly because of Christians doing something or Jews, you would all be agreeing with him and posting that idiotic picture of the guy with the tangled light bulbs.[/QUOTE] Please show me an instance of this happening.

so much bigotry in this thread

[QUOTE=JDK721;29675407]so much bigotry in this thread[/QUOTE] gotta love facepunch

Extremely paranoid pilot is extremely paranoid.

Besides the fact he is wrong about these things: The quran was written by one man in one lifetime and it must be taken literally. And the fact the Quran isn't the only god damn piece of literature for that religion.

[QUOTE=JDK721;29675407]so much bigotry in this thread[/QUOTE] there are 20 times more bleeding hearts.

[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29675395]Please show me an instance of this happening.[/QUOTE] A couple months ago somebody posted a news article about people feeling uncomfortable while two Jews prayed for a safe flight before take off and everybody was agreeing saying they should have not done the religious "bullshit" as you guys put it.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675223]GUYS Sorry, but the Qur'an, and consecuently Islam itself, is quite shitty. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=reX7vGb-ToA[/URL] TL;DR ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL Feel free to prove me wrong[/QUOTE] My favorite video, I'm just going to repost my response to it below: [QUOTE=Starpluck;27064129]A lot of things with this video is full of shit with the exception of LGBT rights, eye for an eye and maybe nothing else. Taqiyya is not lying about Islam to help spread it, it's denying your faith in the event of compulsion/persecution or if being threatened. Like during the Spanish Inquisition, Muslims can deny their faith and say they became Christian, this dipshit transforms that into something totally different and you guys believe it. Just fucking read the wikipedia article on it: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya[/URL] 2. Muslims believe that the Quran was written by God, Allah. Therefore the Quran is believed to have NO contradictions at all and is perfect. This is also bragged and boasted about by Muslims who claim that their holy book is perfect since 'God wrote it'. The Quran supposedly making "clear" instructions on what to do if you come across a contradiction is complete bullshit, because why would such instructions exist if it was believed to be written by God, right? That was made up entirely in the video. If you still don't believe me then find me a passage in Quran, a verse or some source that "gives clear instruction on what to do if you come across a contradiction. Seriously guys, how can you believe this load of horseshit?[/QUOTE] The only reason why it's believed is because of it's 'professional-looking' aesthetics.

[QUOTE=amute;29675423]Besides the fact he is wrong about these things: The quran was written by one man in one lifetime and it must be taken literally. And the fact the Quran isn't the only god damn piece of literature for that religion.[/QUOTE] Also it takes stuff from the bible. [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] Jesus is one of the prophets in the koran [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=>VLN<;29675441]A couple months ago somebody posted a news article about people feeling uncomfortable while two Jews prayed for a safe flight before take off and everybody was agreeing saying they should have not done the religious "bullshit" as you guys put it.[/QUOTE] those dudes who were nailing pieces of wood to themselves or something? I think it's a little different because these dude were just trying to go somewhere, not doing something silly like that.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675381]But since the Bible can be interpreted stupid, violent passages can be avoided. Meanwhile the Quran while always have those 527 violent passages, some of them really fucked up.[/QUOTE] so interpreting one book is completely different from interpreting other books? read my post again. i don't see how you can "avoid" moses saying "go and slaughter the philistines and take their women" any more than you can avoid the bad stuff in the quran stop your double standards

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675538]so interpreting one book is completely different from interpreting other books? read my post again. i don't see how you can "avoid" moses saying "go and slaughter the muslims and take their women" any more than you can avoid the bad stuff in the quran stop your double standards[/QUOTE] Watch the video and read my post again

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675567]Watch the video and read my post again[/QUOTE] they are both fucked up books

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675567]Watch the video and read my post again[/QUOTE] When the video links to: [url]http://faithfreedom.org[/url] [url]http://jihadwatch.org[/url] [url]http://thereligionofpeace.com[/url] [url]http://prophetofdoom.net[/url] Then you start to wonder if it is valid at all. I'll agree with Starpluck with the video being shit with one or two exceptions.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675567]Watch the video and read my post again[/QUOTE] your video has already been proven to be a horribly bigoted, invalid and inaccurate video made by the racist leader of a racist organisation no thanks. are you just ignoring posts?

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675538]so interpreting one book is completely different from interpreting other books? read my post again. i don't see how you can [B]"avoid" moses saying "go and slaughter the muslims and take their women"[/B] any more than you can avoid the bad stuff in the quran stop your double standards[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Muslims weren't around during the time of Moses.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29675663]I'm pretty sure Muslims weren't around during the time of Moses.[/QUOTE] it's a comparison

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29675446]My favorite video, I'm just going to repost my response to it below: The only reason why it's believed is because of it's 'professional-looking' aesthetics.[/QUOTE] [quote=Starpluck][b] If you still don't believe me then find me a passage in Quran, a verse or some source that "gives clear instruction on what to do if you come across a contradiction.[/b][/quote] Sora 2:106 We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotton except that we bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?

I hope they sue.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29675663]I'm pretty sure Muslims weren't around during the time of Moses.[/QUOTE] sorry i got carried away, meant philistines i think

HERE YOU GO, [B]SOURCES[/B] FOR ALL POINTS MADE IN THE VIDEO [URL]http://www.bloggersbase.com/politics-and-opinions/3-islam/[/URL] u mad?

[quote=Starpluck] Starpluck posted: A lot of things with this video is full of shit with the exception of LGBT rights, eye for an eye and maybe nothing else. Taqiyya is not lying about Islam to help spread it, it's denying your faith in the event of compulsion/persecution or if being threatened. Like during the Spanish Inquisition, Muslims can deny their faith and say they became Christian, this dipshit transforms that into something totally different and you guys believe it. [b]By denying their faith, they are allowed to state that they favor christian or non-muslim values over their own muslim values. This is called lying.[/b] Just fucking read the wikipedia article on it: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya[/url] [/quote]

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675772]HERE YOU GO, [B]SOURCES[/B] FOR ALL POINTS MADE IN THE VIDEO [URL]http://www.bloggersbase.com/politics-and-opinions/3-islam/[/URL] u mad?[/QUOTE] so? it just links passages from the quran that we've already discussed in this thread and it has been pretty much unanimously shown that they are poorly translated and open to interpretation anyway [b](just like the nasty stuff in the bible that you are still ignoring for some reason)[/b] ... you're really not getting this are you?

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675809]so? it just links passages from the quran that we've already discussed in this thread and it has been pretty much unanimously shown that they are poorly translated and open to interpretation anyway [b](just like the nasty stuff in the bible that you are still ignoring for some reason)[/b] ... you're really not getting this are you?[/QUOTE] I don't like the bible either, I'm just saying since the Quaran must taken literally it's even worse.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29675708]Sora 2:106 We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotton except that we bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?[/QUOTE] Muslims can pick and choose, just like Christians.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675882]I don't like the bible either, I'm just saying since the Quaran must taken literally it's even worse.[/QUOTE] why do you have the idea that the Qur'an [i]has[/i] to be taken literally

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675809]so? it just links passages from the quran that we've already discussed in this thread and it has been pretty much unanimously shown that they are poorly translated and open to interpretation anyway [b](just like the nasty stuff in the bible that you are still ignoring for some reason)[/b] ... you're really not getting this are you?[/QUOTE] We're not ignoring that their is equally appalling things written in the bible, I for one dislike organized Christianity as much as I do Islam. What [b]you[/b] don't seem to want to accept is that we are providing facts and evidence as to why Islam is just as, if not more, violent than Christianity. And you can't just whine and say those were translated wrong and that really they are a nice religion. I'm sure I could go through and find even more different sources that state the same thing.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29675882]I don't like the bible either, I'm just saying since the Quaran must taken literally it's even worse.[/QUOTE] it's worse so you [i]have[/i] to take it literally? um... why? those two things don't link at all sure, the quran probably is a bit worse than the bible. it's hard to gauge but yeh. they're still both pretty balanced though in terms of "nice" shit and "mean" shit the fact you're happy to ignore or "interpret" the bad stuff in one book but not in the other though is just dumb [QUOTE=DanTehMan;29675899]We're not ignoring that their is equally appalling things written in the bible, I for one dislike organized Christianity as much as I do Islam. What [b]you[/b] don't seem to want to accept is that we are providing facts and evidence as to why Islam is just as, if not more, violent than Christianity. And you can't just say whine and say those were translated wrong and that really they are a nice religion. I'm sure I could go through find even more different sources that state the same thing.[/QUOTE] i have clearly acknowledged both are as bad as each other, the quran being slightly worse perhaps if you take into account the ratio of good to bad stuff and the lengths of the books arguing that the quran is fundamentally aggressive and violent though is just plain wrong

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29675892]why do you have the idea that the Qur'an [i]has[/i] to be taken literally[/QUOTE] [url]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=003:78[/url] [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675907] i have clearly acknowledged both are as bad as each other, the quran being slightly worse perhaps if you take into account the ratio of good to bad stuff and the lengths of the books arguing that the quran is fundamentally aggressive and violent though is just plain wrong[/QUOTE] You can not deny the fact there is a larger ratio of violent extremists to non-violent practicers in Islam over Christianity. At least in this decade, so we are providing evidence as to why modern feelings toward Muslims have been shaped as they have.