Two Muslim religious leaders removed from flight because pilot refused to fly with them - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29675949][url]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=003:78[/url][/QUOTE] a passage that says "please take this literally" doesn't mean you have to take the book literally if you don't want to... people have free will ya know? we live in a pretty post-modern world, at least in the west. people can pick and choose and make their own minds up.

I don't like organized religion, but I just can't shake the feeling that the Islam is just designed to slowly take over the world, ie creeping sharia.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29675949][url]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=003:78[/url] [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] You can not deny the fact there is a larger ratio of violent extremists to non-violent practicers in Islam over Christianity. At least in this decade, so we are providing evidence as to why modern feelings toward Muslims have been shaped as they have.[/QUOTE] I don't think so

Please don't take things too literally. Quran, Bible, Torah or what ever religious book are meant for a guide to be closer to god but are not to be too literally. Just because the book says you have to kill the infidel doesn't mean you have to follow it. Sometimes you have to disobey some stuff in religion. I for one believe in evolution. And also, people have the rights to ride airplanes

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29675949][url]http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/cgi/bin/retrieve.cgi?version=pickthall+yusufali+khan+shakir+sherali+khalifa+arberry+palmer+rodwell+sale&layout=auto&searchstring=003:78[/url][/QUOTE] ok let's see [quote]And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues,[b] that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture[/b]. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly. [/quote] [quote]There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read)[b] you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book[/b]; and they say, "That is from God," but it is not from God: It is they who tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it! [/quote] [quote]And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), [b]so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book[/b], and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it. [/quote] [quote]Most surely there is a party amongst those who distort the Book with their tongue that[b] you may consider it to be (a part) of the Book, and they say, It is from Allah, while it is not from Allah[/b], and they tell a lie against Allah whilst they know. [/quote] [quote]And, surely, among them is a party who twist their tongues while reciting the [b]Book that you may think it to be part of the Book, while it is not part of the Book[/b]. And they say `It is from ALLAH;' while it is not from ALLAH; and they utter a lie against ALLAH while they know. [/quote] [quote]Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture,[b] that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture[/b], and they claim that it is from GOD, when it is not from GOD. Thus, they utter lies and attribute them to GOD, knowingly. [/quote] [quote]And there is a sect of them twist their tongues with the Book, that you may [b]suppose it part of the Book, yet it is not part of the Book[/b]; and they say, 'It is from God,' yet it is not from God, and they speak falsehood against God, and that wittingly. [/quote] [quote]And, verily, amongst them is a sect who twist their tongues concerning the Book, [b]that ye may reckon it to be from the Book, but it is not from the Book.[/b] They say, 'It is from God,' but it is not from God, and they tell a lie against God, the while they know. [/quote] [quote]And some truly are there among them who torture the Scriptures with their tongues[b], in order that ye may suppose it to be from the Scripture, yet it is not from the Scripture.[/b] And they say, "This is from God;" yet it is not from God: and they utter a lie against God, and they know they do so. [/quote] [quote]And there are certainly some of them, who read the scriptures perversely, that ye may think[b] [what they read] to be really in the scriptures, yet it is not in the scripture[/b]; and they say, this is from God; but it is not from God: And they speak that which is false concerning God, against their own knowledge. [/quote] what I see here says nothing about interpretation it's saying that don't make up stuff and claim that it's from the Qur'an

There's sunni and shiite, which take up the majority of all muslims. Most of them are not terrorists.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29675987]a passage that says "please take this literally" doesn't mean you have to take the book literally if you don't want to... people have free will ya know? we live in a pretty post-modern world, at least in the west. people can pick and choose and make their own minds up.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/london-muslim-extremist-1-2-09.jpg[/IMG] [img]http://sedonacyberlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/muslim-women.jpg[/img] That's great and all, but I feel that the religion has a tendancy to make people not think for themselves, and just become part of some kind of machine.

[QUOTE=Garik;29674508]You know, muslims are more prone to do terrorism than the western people.[/QUOTE] The IRA don't exist at all nope there are no such thing as white terrorist groups nope [QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29676059] That's great and all, but I feel that the religion has a tendancy to make people not think for themselves, and just become part of some kind of machine.[/QUOTE] That's [i]all[/i] religion though. Just like with every other religion, there are Muslims who are peaceful and keep to themselves, and then there are zealots who only want death.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29676059][img_thumb]http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/london-muslim-extremist-1-2-09.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://sedonacyberlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/muslim-women.jpg[/img_thumb] That's great and all, but I feel that the religion has a tendancy to make people not think for themselves, and just become part of some kind of machine.[/QUOTE] it has that tendency but these people form a sad majority that should be ignored where ever possible also, just to balance this out: [img]http://fiftyseventhirtythree.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/protest.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29676059][img_thumb]http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/london-muslim-extremist-1-2-09.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://sedonacyberlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/muslim-women.jpg[/img_thumb] That's great and all, but I feel that the religion has a tendancy to make people not think for themselves, and just become part of some kind of machine.[/QUOTE] don't forget remember all jews look like this [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YBc_i8mXy0w/S7PuX-A4DjI/AAAAAAAAANU/cwpBl8NKUGQ/s1600/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29676123]it has that tendency but these people form a sad majority that should be ignored where ever possible also, just to balance this out: [img_thumb]http://fiftyseventhirtythree.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/protest.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] The WBC is not considered a christian church. It is condemed by both the baptist's and others, they only call themselves a baptist church to make others believe that they are part of a real church. On an overall scale, Islam is a much, much more violent religion than Christianity, as it is today, not withstanding Catholics which is basically a separate religion. I don't see Christian suicide bombers.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29676221]The WBC is not considered a christian church. It is condemed by both the baptist's and others, they only call themselves a baptist church to make others believe that they are part of a real church. On an overall scale, Islam is a much, much more violent religion than Christianity, as it is today, not withstanding Catholics which is basically a separate religion.[/QUOTE] catholics are violent?

[QUOTE=pal670;29674757]And also Of the Unbelievers: Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5) Need more proof?[/QUOTE] People would usually snip one quote and disregard the rest of the statement. So I'm really feeling doubtful about your evidence.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29676123]it has that tendency but these people form a sad majority that should be ignored where ever possible also, just to balance this out: [img_thumb]http://fiftyseventhirtythree.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/protest.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Only it's difficult to ignore a majority of millions of people.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29676244]catholics are violent?[/QUOTE] Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. Remember the Crusades? yea...

its understandable, but uncalled for

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29676221]On an overall scale, Islam is a much, much more violent religion than Christianity, as it is today, not withstanding Catholics which is basically a separate religion.[/QUOTE] Nope Catholicism is about as Christian as you can get.

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29676253]Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. Remember the Crusades? yea...[/QUOTE] No, we don't remember the crusades. We're talking about modern times in recent years, I see nearly no Christian extremists going door to door killing gays as they sleep. Yet the acts committed by extremist Muslims I read about every day.

[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;29676251]Only it's difficult to ignore a majority of millions of people.[/QUOTE] oh wow you really think the majority of muslims are the 'death-to-infidels' type you realize there's ~1.5 billion muslims in the world and if the majority really were extremists then we have a huge problem

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29676253]Read Fox's Book of Martyrs. Remember the Crusades? yea...[/QUOTE] oh. i thought you were referring to modern catholicism

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29676291]No, we don't remember the crusades. We're talking about modern times in recent years, I see nearly no Christian extremists going door to door killing gays as they sleep. Yet the acts committed by extremist Muslims I read about every day.[/QUOTE] That's because islamphobia is a problem in the media.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29676291]No, we don't remember the crusades. We're talking about modern times in recent years, I see nearly no Christian extremists going door to door killing gays as they sleep. Yet the acts committed by extremist Muslims I read about every day.[/QUOTE] they're in less developed societies with shit education the majority of the time and have "leaders" calling these sorts of actions the situation for christianity is completely different. it doesn't span from the nature of the religion's text, it spans from the social situations of the nations where the religion is practised

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29676029]ok let's see [quote] And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.[/quote] what I see here says nothing about interpretation it's saying that don't make up stuff and claim that it's from the Qur'an[/QUOTE] In Laymens terms it's saying there is a group of people who claim to speak from the scripture (or to alter what the scripture says[AKA interpreting to their own meaning]) and they lie about Allah knowingly. So it is against the Scripture to openly interpret it's meaning, because they are supposedly so direct. [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29676317]That's because islamphobia is a problem in the media.[/QUOTE] So you're saying the Christian extremists are controlling the media, and not reporting on the righteous acts of their brethren slaying those damned homosexuals?! :tinfoil: If someone was going door to door performing killings of any kind under pretense of Christian faith, I know the media would report about it. [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;29676330]they're in less developed societies with shit education the majority of the time and have "leaders" calling these sorts of actions the situation for christianity is completely different. it doesn't span from the nature of the religion's text, it spans from the social situations of the nations where the religion is practised[/QUOTE] So you're agreeing with me in that Muslims violence begins with the Qur'an?

[QUOTE=>VLN<;29676221]The WBC is not considered a christian church. It is condemed by both the baptist's and others, they only call themselves a baptist church to make others believe that they are part of a real church.[/QUOTE] And I'm pretty fucking sure that Al Qaeda isn't considered an Islamic sect, but an extremist terrorist group. You [b]do[/b] know why they're called [b]extremists[/b] and not [b]averagists[/b], right?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;29675430]there are 20 times more bleeding hearts.[/QUOTE] yeah how dare people call others out for their bigoted views and actions what a bunch of bleeding hearts :frog:

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29676364]In Laymens terms it's saying there is a group of people who claim to speak from the scripture (or to alter what the scripture says[AKA interpreting to their own meaning]) and they lie about Allah knowingly. So it is against the Scripture to openly interpret it's meaning, because they are supposedly so direct.[/QUOTE] yes, 'lying knowingly' being the key term here I think what it's saying is that there are people who knows that their interpretation is wrong, but they preach it anyway to draw people away from the true interpretation

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29676364] So you're agreeing with me in that Muslims violence begins with the Qur'an?[/QUOTE] um... lol no? [quote=chestymcgee] it doesn't span from the nature of the religion's text [b][ie. the qur'an][/b], it spans from the social situations of the nations where the religion is practised [/quote]

Fire the pilot for discrimination. Boom, problem solved.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbDu0-K9cPk[/media] Oh no, this must mean all Christians are a threat to children and may brand them as witches Better not let them on planes, they'll whip that kid playing with a DS Those are witchcraft, you know Or, maybe, extremism and uncivilized actions come, not from any specific religion, but the level of civilization in these places? Also, thinking that all muslim women wear burkas is like thinking that all christian women are nuns. [QUOTE=Macktastic;29676441]yes, 'lying knowingly' being the key term here I think what it's saying is that there are people who knows that their interpretation is wrong, but they preach it anyway to draw people away from the true interpretation[/QUOTE] Hey, it's better than Christianity in that regard [IMG]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7598/raybanana.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;29676364]So you're saying the Christian extremists are controlling the media, and not reporting on the righteous acts of their brethren slaying those damned homosexuals?! :tinfoil: If someone was going door to door performing killings of any kind under pretense of Christian faith, I know the media would report about it.[/QUOTE] nah you came up with that yourself