Flynn Flipped: Prepared to testify that he was ordered contact Russian Govt - Polidicks

If anything, this is pushing Trump into a corner and I do not think he is above starting a war or something to try and avoid this coming toward him. The closer they get, the more dangerous him in office becomes

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52937995]Take some time to look at governor candidate ads. The one for Illinois is “Donald trump is a racist bigot and I will fight that “ and then proceeds to not even use his name, other than just “JB”. Y’know, Illinois, one of the most indebted and crime ridden states? Instead the democrats feel its best they run a “yeah but I’m not that guy” campaign. Again.[/QUOTE] That's frustrating, I don't know much about the dems on a state/county level so that's news to me. Are you from IL? You should write to him and say his campaign tactic is shit.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52937985]Why must you always think that I have some ulterior motive? Want to know my intent? Fine. I think this investigation is a load of hokey and I’m really scared that people are putting way too much faith in this, and have no fallbacks amongst the Democratic Party other than saying “I’m not Trump look at me!”. If this investigation falls through and nothing significant happens, the Republicans will absolutely eviscerate the Democrats for years to come .[/QUOTE] except Democrats are doing extremely well in local and statewide thus far, exactly as all the historical data and analysis suggests they should? like it's understandable to be scared after 2016 but seriously just take a friggin minute and look at what's actually happened thus far, you don't need to be freaking out 24/7

[QUOTE=Cone;52938017]except Democrats are doing extremely well in local and statewide thus far, exactly as all the historical data and analysis suggests they should? like it's understandable to be scared after 2016 but seriously just take a friggin minute and look at what's actually happened thus far, you don't need to be freaking out 24/7[/QUOTE] I’m not freaking out, where are you people getting this. I’m just saying that hedging all of your bets on Mueller is asinine [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] People need to be realistic here

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938004]Why wouldn’t I want to see the administration wiped clean and in chains? Why do you guys always do that as if I’m some secret republican or whatever[/QUOTE] This is what you have repeatedly failed to grasp: [I]it doesn't fucking matter what political party you're affiliated with.[/I] The crimes committed by Trump's administration run [B][U]far[/U][/B] deeper than partisan politics. [I]Everybody[/I], Republican or Democrat alike, should be absolutely aghast at the severity of what Trump has done. In exchange for help stealing an election, Trump assisted a hostile foreign nation in an attack against our national security, social and financial stability, and electoral integrity. That isn't politics, that's treason. Your political affiliations don't matter one goddamn bit: if you have [I]any[/I] respect for our sovereignty and our democracy, this news should leave you ready to see Trump, and everybody who assisted in this great betrayal, go to prison for the rest of their lives, if not literally face the ultimate fate of those who commit treason: a death sentence ordered by the courts and carried out by the justice system.

And nowhere suggests that I disagree with the treason issue!!! Holy fuck. You are all so willing to jump on me for having a bit of doubt in something that I don’t or my trust in. I think Trump is a criminal, I think the electoral college failed its duties, I think much of the executive branch is corrupt, I think many on the right are trying to hide themselves from association rather than growing balls and fighting Trump I can still have these beliefs and not put [i]all of my trust[/i] into Mueller

I think that skepticism in the investigation itself is pretty out there, but there is a relatively healthy amount of skepticism to be reasonably had that everything is going to turn out okay just because Mueller's investigation nails Trump to the wall or whatever. I think what Zillamaster is going for is, ok, Mueller purges Washington of Trump and half the key figures in his administration, but American politics is still cancerous as fuck and the Democrats are not running a very strong campaign in opposition. The fear that they'll fuck up and give up the race again like they did in 2016 is real. Mueller is going to have to rip the roots of corruption out of DC with his bare, blood-covered hands if he is to be the panacea for America, and I think Zilla's point is that people seem to be expecting precisely this level of miraculous outcome. It is more likely that the effects will not be as severe and continued, sustained accountability must be demanded or else the game is just going to continue and none of this noise matters in the long run. It doesn't matter if Trump and co go to jail if the conditions for this happening again are untouched.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938020]I’m not freaking out, where are you people getting this. I’m just saying that hedging all of your bets on Mueller is asinine [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] People need to be realistic here[/QUOTE] Being realistic is assuming there is a possibility that nothing will come out of it, not saying for definite that nothing will ever come out of it.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52938033]I think that skepticism in the investigation itself is pretty out there, but there is a relatively healthy amount of skepticism to be reasonably had that everything is going to turn out okay just because Mueller's investigation nails Trump to the wall or whatever. I think what Zillamaster is going for is, ok, Mueller purges Washington of Trump and half the key figures in his administration, but American politics is still cancerous as fuck and the Democrats are not running a very strong campaign in opposition. The fear that they'll fuck up and give up the race again like they did in 2016 is real. Mueller is going to have to rip the roots of corruption out of DC with his bare, blood-covered hands if he is to be the panacea for America, and I think Zilla's point is that people seem to be expecting precisely this level of miraculous outcome. It is more likely that the effects will not be as severe and continued, sustained accountability must be demanded or else the game is just going to continue and none of this noise matters in the long run. It doesn't matter if Trump and co go to jail if the conditions for this happening again are untouched.[/QUOTE] Thank you, that’s what I’ve been trying to say.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52938015]If anything, this is pushing Trump into a corner and I do not think he is above starting a war or something to try and avoid this coming toward him. The closer they get, the more dangerous him in office becomes[/QUOTE] A war isn't going to stop an investigation

It's always kind of irritating when people try to pass off pessimism as "realism". It's pessimism. Stop trying to make it seem more right by calling it what it isn't.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52937824]the day this all comes crashing down will be beautiful. can't wait to look at t_d.[/QUOTE] Its what you would expect. More diversion. [quote=The Donald 15 minutes ago ]We'll be limiting stickies today to only very important topics, due to admin censorship. Shine some truth on /all, folks![/quote] Guess what those very important topics don't mention.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52938020]I’m not freaking out, where are you people getting this. I’m just saying that hedging all of your bets on Mueller is asinine [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] People need to be realistic here[/QUOTE] you're the one who's not being realistic. if the investigation fails Trump is still an extremely unpopular president whose party controls every level of government, which you would expect to precede a blue wave. [B][I]like the one that the electoral data suggests is happening right now[/I][/B]. if you think there's any way for Trump and the Republican party to "eviscerate" anyone in these circumstances you'd better go tell Paul Ryan

[QUOTE]Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."[/QUOTE] oh shit boi

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52938033]I think that skepticism in the investigation itself is pretty out there, but there is a relatively healthy amount of skepticism to be reasonably had that everything is going to turn out okay just because Mueller's investigation nails Trump to the wall or whatever. I think what Zillamaster is going for is, ok, Mueller purges Washington of Trump and half the key figures in his administration, but American politics is still cancerous as fuck and the Democrats are not running a very strong campaign in opposition. The fear that they'll fuck up and give up the race again like they did in 2016 is real. Mueller is going to have to rip the roots of corruption out of DC with his bare, blood-covered hands if he is to be the panacea for America, and I think Zilla's point is that people seem to be expecting precisely this level of miraculous outcome. It is more likely that the effects will not be as severe and continued, sustained accountability must be demanded or else the game is just going to continue and none of this noise matters in the long run. It doesn't matter if Trump and co go to jail if the conditions for this happening again are untouched.[/QUOTE] Put like this, yes, it's a reasonable argument to make. If this is what Zilla is trying to say, then I could likely agree with him. Trump is the greatest traitor our country has ever seen, but the sickness that let him seize power runs deeper than himself. He's a symptom, not the cause, of the cancer running through US politics. Excising his administration is absolutely necessary, but it's only the first of many things that need to happen. That said, Zilla hardly made this point clear, especially with his obfuscating comments about believing that this investigation is a "load of hokey." It's not hard to see why people would misunderstand and lecture him.

Oh God in giggling like a school girl. This has made my day. Get fucked Trump.

piss tape for christmas gents

I understand the point about how watching the Robert Mueller show with a bag of popcorn is no substitute for building an electoral alternative to Trumpism, but Mueller's investigation isn't a Democratic electoral strategy and it's dangerous to paint it as such. In my mind the two aren't linked and can happen at the same time, and it's very clearly an important investigation having already led to the prosecution of four people and seemingly more to come now that Flynn has flipped

Oh I can't wait. When Trump is pushed from his office, I can't wait to see all them "good ol country boy Americans" faces.

So when does he actually testify?

So is this like, the moment Trump is 100% fucked or am I wrong? Because it looks like Trump is done.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52938062]So is this like, the moment Trump is 100% fucked or am I wrong? Because it looks like Trump is done.[/QUOTE] [I]If[/I] the ABC report is correct

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52938041]A war isn't going to stop an investigation[/QUOTE] No, but it'll change the headlines and that is all Trump cares about.

Meanwhile the perfect media environment has arrived to sneakily pass taxes: [media]https://twitter.com/AP/status/936641490511630336[/media]

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52938064][I]If[/I] the ABC report is correct[/QUOTE] If it is I hope Flynn has the best protection the FBI have to offer.

Trump lawyer Ty Cobb just referred to Flynn as a "former Obama official." lol [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52938062]So is this like, the moment Trump is 100% fucked or am I wrong? Because it looks like Trump is done.[/QUOTE] It's not the end for Trump, but it's definitely the beginning of the end. In the coming weeks and months, we'll watch as his administration is dismantled, brick by brick, until Trump is ultimately impeached, arrested, and imprisoned.

Can a mod change the title to reflect the fact that holy fuck Flynn's testimony drops a fucking bombshell? I'm going nuts

If Republicans actually pass their [del]tax reform[/del]giveaway to the rich on the backs of the nation bill, and 2018 is not the beginning of a [I]massive[/I] blue wave, I can't really have any sympathy. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/30/im-a-depression-historian-the-gop-tax-bill-is-straight-out-of-1929/"]Especially when a Republican tax bill looked like just like this in 1929 and a funny little thing happened shortly afterwards.[/URL]

[QUOTE=BryndenRivers;52938069]Meanwhile the perfect media environment has arrived to sneakily pass taxes: [media]https://twitter.com/AP/status/936641490511630336[/media][/QUOTE] Welp, R.I.P. middle class

Holy shit, it wasn't very long ago that the thought of Trump even becoming president was [I]insane[/I] and now look at where we're at. Now in less than a year he's become not only the president, but the biggest traitor in recent American history, and he's lost nearly all support from anyone who isn't completely insane. This is exciting.