Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;51738098]Are you kidding me? why???[/QUOTE] it's most likely that he feels that they will assimilate better than muslim refugees and clearly there are a lot less of them.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51739907]I would agree with this if muslims who fled here didn't continue to persecute christians/gays/whomever in asylum centers[/QUOTE] I don't think most do.

Surely the more logical, albeit kinda heartless, would be to prioritize those refugee that hold specialist skills sets that the US is currently lacking. Oh wait this is the term of Trumps' triumph. My b.

Both unconstitutional -AND- unchristian.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51738886]Many people say I'm horrible for being am acceleration ist. No, I'm ahead of the curve. It also known as being g black pilled. You been black pilled. Don't lose hope. It means instead of holding on to how things now, you can begin building the seeds for the world to come. There is freedom with that thought.[/QUOTE] Even if things don't go completely sideways, here's why this doesn't work: In most countries, [I]especially[/I] partisan ones like the US, it's easy for a malicious government to reap the rewards from the previous one and shift adverse effects into the next one's legislature. If someone [I]actually[/I] tries to fix the country, they'll have to engage in some in the short term not so good looking aspects of policy-making due to actually paying for that stuff in a way that doesn't come back worse later on. Of course this isn't as much of an issue if you have an educated voting population that doesn't only examine short term gains for themselves and can put their pride on the back-burner for a bit if necessary, but, no offence intended, I really don't see that being the case in a country that somehow managed to elect trump and choose clinton over Sanders (actual public support notwithstanding. That doesn't help if the elections are broken and continue to get worse). The only place where this kind of thing [I]somehow[/I] and [I]very fortunately[/I] had a somewhat positive long-term outcome that I know of is Germany, but the tally of that is - it didn't work out that way the first time (~17M dead, ~20M wounded and ~50M died from a huge flu outbreak that wasn't treated properly due to war) - the second time around ~60M people died (~3% of the world population), or if you count indirect causes up to ~80M - this place here is littered with potentially dangerous bombs that didn't explode on impact By the looks of it, anything short of WWI isn't enough for people to really learn from their mistakes. WWII just barely was gruesome enough for (most of) Europe to realise that war is a really bad idea, but as far as I can tell from my history classes it could have gone either way then too. I'd rather not see any of this stuff repeated (more than what's currently going on in certain parts of the world, anyway), so what's left is the 'slow' route that by the looks of it regularly overtakes the 'shock therapy' in less than a century anyway if approached somewhat sensibly.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51739907]I would agree with this if muslims who fled here didn't continue to persecute christians/gays/whomever in asylum centers[/QUOTE] When it actually happens in America, they can do something about it if it can be proven they were harassing other asylum seekers on the basis of their religion. If it can be proven, see Trump's tough stance on vetting and so on, then such individuals can be deported back to wherever they came from. Sweeping pre-emptive bans until a tougher system can be put in place and favoring Christian refugees has no business here because it plays to identity politics and is just a move to further entrench his support among his religious voter base.

Come on Trump, the election is over you don't need the evangelical vote anymore.

The irony is that Christians commit more domestic terrorism than Muslims.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51740710]The irony is that Christians commit more domestic terrorism than Muslims.[/QUOTE] You gotta back a claim like that up with sources and statistics.

I'm an atheist from the middle-east and I am very happy about Trump's decision.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51740836]You gotta back a claim like that up with sources and statistics.[/QUOTE] Frankly I'm not even going to put my sources up because this administration hasn't put up one truthful thing yet. If people honestly believe that Islamic terrorism - espescially from refugees - are #1 in terrorist attacks, then they need to start looking at the "alternative facts"

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51740836]You gotta back a claim like that up with sources and statistics.[/QUOTE] I can't be arsed to dig much deeper but just on the surface level there's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)]Army of God[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting]Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller]assassination of George Tiller[/url], a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States]laundry list[/url] of anti-abortion violence with a recurring trend of religious motivations, like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing]Centennial Olympic Park bombing[/url] And that's just keeping it restricted to only Christian motivated attacks, there's a whole bucket of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States]organizations[/url] and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States]attacks[/url]

[QUOTE=Sitkero;51741027]I can't be arsed to dig much deeper but just on the surface level there's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)]Army of God[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting]Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller]assassination of George Tiller[/url], a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States]laundry list[/url] of anti-abortion violence with a recurring trend of religious motivations, like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing]Centennial Olympic Park bombing[/url] And that's just keeping it restricted to only Christian motivated attacks, there's a whole bucket of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States]organizations[/url] and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States]attacks[/url][/QUOTE] Oh! Sorry I was mistaken, I thought when they wrote domestic terrorism I thought it was about christian domestic terrorism back in the countries that the christian refugees where fleeing from. My bad.

[QUOTE=PulseFrog;51740863]I'm an atheist from the middle-east and I am very happy about Trump's decision.[/QUOTE] Why? Doesn't that exclude you as well?

How happy I am. Finally some care for Christianity. All You may have heard in mainstream aka mostly liberal media was about being good to Muslims. Os someone from Christian civilisation, I felt being treated like a guest where I was born.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51741423]How happy I am. Finally some care for Christianity. All You may have heard in mainstream aka mostly liberal media was about being good to Muslims. Os someone from Christian civilisation, I felt being treated like a guest where I was born.[/QUOTE] Great, maybe now you can make some progress in resolving your persecution complex.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51741423]How happy I am. Finally some care for Christianity. All You may have heard in mainstream aka mostly liberal media was about being good to Muslims. Os someone from Christian civilisation, I felt being treated like a guest where I was born.[/QUOTE] 87% of Poland identified as Roman Catholic in 2011. That's a noticeably higher saturation of Christians than in America where you would be hard-pressed to feel like a guest. That liberal mainstream media must be some powerful shit.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;51741027]I can't be arsed to dig much deeper but just on the surface level there's [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)]Army of God[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting]Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting[/url], the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller]assassination of George Tiller[/url], a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States]laundry list[/url] of anti-abortion violence with a recurring trend of religious motivations, like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing]Centennial Olympic Park bombing[/url] And that's just keeping it restricted to only Christian motivated attacks, there's a whole bucket of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States]organizations[/url] and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States]attacks[/url][/QUOTE]But then compare this to what is currently happening in Europe. By the way, Christmas in the Middle-east are generally not conservative at all. There are, of course, a few crazies here and there, but the majority are quite liberal.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51740836]You gotta back a claim like that up with sources and statistics.[/QUOTE] Easily done. Let's look at the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present]Wikipedia page listing terrorist attacks in the United States.[/url] We'll go ahead and do the past thirty years, and limit it to only those that caused deaths. I'll also note how each terrorist entered the country, as well as whether they were part of any organized group. 1990 Meir Kahane assassination: Islamic, al-Gama'a, legal immigrant 1993 CIA shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, illegal immigrant 1993 WTC bombing: Islamic, al-Qaeda, disputed legal status 1993 David Gunn assassination: Christian, Army of God, native citizen 1994 Brooklyn Bridge shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, legal immigrant 1994 John Britton shooting: Christian, Army of God, native citizen 1994-1995 Unabomber: nonreligious (anarchist), unaffiliated, native citizen. 2 killed by 3 separate mail bombs. 1994 Brookline shooting: Christian, Army of God, native citizen. 1995 Oklahoma City bombing: nonreligious (anarchist), unaffiliated, native citizen. 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing: Christian, Army of God, native citizen 1997 Empire State Building shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, legal immigrant 1998 Birmingham bombing: Christian, Army of God, native citizen 1999 Williams Brothers attacks: Christian, unaffiliated, native citizens 1999 Benjamin Smith shootings: Christian, Church of the Creator, native citizen 1999 LA shootings: Christian, unaffiliated, native citizen 2001 9/11 attacks: Islamic, al-Qaeda, mostly on legal visas 2001 Anthrax attacks: nonreligious, unaffiliated, native citizens 2002 LAX shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated (possibly al-Gama'a), on expired entry 2002 Beltway sniper: Islamic, unaffiliated, one native citizen and one illegal immigrant 2003 West Virginia sniper: nonreligious, unaffiliated, native citizen 2003 Abbeville shootout: nonreligious (anti-government), unaffiliated (unless sovereign citizens are a terrorist group now), native citizen 2006 Capitol Hill shooting: nonreligious (anti-rave?), unaffiliated, native citizen 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, legal immigrant 2008 Knoxville Unitarian shooting: nonreligious (anti-Democrat), unaffiliated, native citizen 2009 George Tiller assassination: Christian, unaffiliated (loose ties to Army of God and Montana Freemen), native citizen 2009 Arkansas recruiting center shooting: Islamic, claimed al-Qaeda, native citizen 2009 Holocaust Museum shooting: nonreligious (white supremacist), unaffiliated, native citizen 2009 Fort Hood shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, native citizen 2010 Austin attack: nonreligious (anti-government), unaffiliated, native citizen 2010 West Memphis police shooting: nonreligious (anti-government), unaffiliated (sovereign citizen), native citizens 2012 Sikh temple shooting: nonreligious (white supremacist), unaffiliated, native citizen 2013 Dorner shootings: nonreligious, unaffiliated, native citizen 2013 Boston Marathon bombing: Islamic, unaffiliated, legal immigrants 2013 LAX shooting: nonreligious (anti-government), unaffiliated, native citizen 2014 Overland Park shooting: neopagan (white supremacist), unaffiliated (founded own group), native citizen 2014 Vegas shootings: nonreligious (anti-government), unaffiliated, native citizens 2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks shooting: nonreligious (motive unknown), unaffiliated, native citizen 2014 NYPD shootings: nonreligious (anti-police/black supremacist), probably unaffiliated, native citizen 2015 Charleston shooting: nonreligious (white supremacist), unaffiliated, native citizen 2015 Chattanooga shooting: Islamic, unaffiliated, legal immigrant 2015 Planned Parenthood shooting: Christian (anti-abortion), unaffiliated, native citizen 2015 San Bernardino shootings: Islamic, unaffiliated, native citizen and legal immigrant 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting: possibly Islamic, unaffiliated, native citizen 2017 Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting: apparently nonreligious (schizophrenic), unaffiliated, native citizen So that's 44 terrorist attacks. Let's add those up by religion: 14-15 Islamic 10 Christian 1 neopagan 18-19 nonreligious (8 anarchist/anti-government, 3 white supremacist) So terrorist attacks in the United States are more likely to be committed for the cause of Islam or Muslims than for the cause of Christianity. I will note that many of the attacks I classed as Islamic were primarily anti-Israeli, not pro-Muslim, but I counted them anyways. I will also note that you could argue most of the white supremacist attacks could be considered Christian, but as so many of them were against other Christians that seemed untenable. If I tilted things both way (ie. didn't count anti-Israeli attacks as Islamic and counted all white supremacist attacks except Overland Park as Christian, that just balances them at 13-13. However, the question posed was domestic terrorism. Let's see what happens when I limit it to attacks by native citizens: 10 Christian 4-5 Islamic 1 neopagan 18-19 nonreligious That pretty clearly shows that native terrorists are much more likely to be Christian than Islamic. So the statement "Christians commit more domestic terrorism than Muslims" is indeed supported by evidence.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51740710]The irony is that Christians commit more domestic terrorism than Muslims.[/QUOTE] as a % of population I am sure they don't.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51742069]-[/QUOTE] Good effort, but you missed my reply: [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51741084]Oh! Sorry I was mistaken, I thought when they wrote domestic terrorism I thought it was about christian domestic terrorism back in the countries that the christian refugees where fleeing from. My bad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51738200]I'm still not used to the term "President Trump" tbh[/QUOTE] Or the "Berenstain Bears". I swear we jumped realities somewhere and drew the short straw.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51738139]Sounds familiar [img]http://i.imgur.com/sXJyT0b.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Not even close. Abbott is nowhere even close to how utterly insane Trump is. Sure, you he's your average Australian bigot but he wouldn't dare going as far as Trump.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51742127]as a % of population I am sure they don't.[/QUOTE] as a % of population refugees don't even register as terrorists.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51740710]The irony is that Christians commit more domestic terrorism than Muslims.[/QUOTE] Yes, of course you're right, but you're also being either intentionally or unintentionally totally intellectually dishonest. The Christians you're mentioning didn't commit their crimes in the name of Christianity (or were literally insane).

[QUOTE=sgman91;51742922]Yes, of course you're right, but you're also being either intentionally or unintentionally totally intellectually dishonest. The Christians you're mentioning didn't commit their crimes in the name of Christianity (or were literally insane).[/QUOTE] I'm willing to wager Muslims committing terrorism is atleast one flavor of insane, preferably the brainwashed kind..

[QUOTE=sgman91;51742922]Yes, of course you're right, but you're also being either intentionally or unintentionally totally intellectually dishonest. The Christians you're mentioning didn't commit their crimes in the name of Christianity (or were literally insane).[/QUOTE] Ah but no true Christian would commit terrorism.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51742922]Yes, of course you're right, but you're also being either intentionally or unintentionally totally intellectually dishonest. The Christians you're mentioning didn't commit their crimes in the name of Christianity (or were literally insane).[/QUOTE] And many of the Muslim terrorists didn't commit their crimes in the name of Islam, either. Pretty much everything prior to the WTC bombing on my list was retaliation for supporting Israel, and some of the more recent ones have been for reasons such as "revenge for torturing people in Gitmo" or "revenge for drone strikes killing innocent people in Afghanistan". Which, to be completely fair, are much better reasons than "a fake Facebook video said they're cutting up babies for parts" or "the Aryan God gave this land to white people so we must exterminate the lesser races". Still not justified, mind you, just leagues better than the bullshit Christian terrorists use as justification.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51743041]And many of the Muslim terrorists didn't commit their crimes in the name of Islam, either. Pretty much everything prior to the WTC bombing on my list was retaliation for supporting Israel, and some of the more recent ones have been for reasons such as "revenge for torturing people in Gitmo" or "revenge for drone strikes killing innocent people in Afghanistan". Which, to be completely fair, are much better reasons than "a fake Facebook video said they're cutting up babies for parts" or "the Aryan God gave this land to white people so we must exterminate the lesser races". Still not justified, mind you, just leagues better than the bullshit Christian terrorists use as justification.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, you got a loooong list to explain. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#1980s.E2.80.932001[/url]