Cannabis Extracts Kills Cancer Cells in Cancer Sufferers - Polidicks

My concern is that the pharmaceutical companies and cartels will lobby and 'lobby' against it's legalization as they always do.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28310568]Smoking weed once with skitzofrenia is not going to cause the worse problems imaginable. Hell, it's that simple of a test. You can't overdose on it, so it's a fairly safe test. [/QUOTE] But do you really think people are only going to smoke weed only once? And what about the reports suggesting heavy weed smoking buggers up your brain? e.g. [url]http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s777336.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28310617]Of course not, but that's another issue altogether. This is the story linked from the company's website: [url]http://www.cannabisscience.com/download/cancer_extract_kills.pdf[/url] Ha ha wow, yeah this isn't trustworthy at all. It's looking at a single case with no remarks about controlling confounding factors, concurrent treatment, anything. There's a list of references but I probably can't check them seeing as how they usually require journal access, not to mention the fact that the references look totally unrelated to the "study". This is pretty obviously a piece from a group pushing an agenda and not really legitimate looking science at all. I agree with the agenda, but still. e: Just to preempt everyone attacking me/this because weed should be legalized, yeah it should. But there should be legitimate scientific studies done towards the effects of it and not worthless things like this. There probably has been already anyways.[/QUOTE] Pushing an agenda will hardly be effective if they fail to provide conclusive evidence. Not denying that you raised perfectly valid, legitimate points. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DinoJesus;28310455]Until the scientific community proves it has no negative side effects, I'm just gonna say its bad. And just because it isnt my body, doesn't mean I'm not going to consider them idiots for blindly smoking a substance which has been told over and over to them is harmful since elementary school. Honestly, the people who support it are the idiots who are smoking it. Most of the time they just say its not bad for you without even attempting to prove its not. Honestly, there is a lot of proof saying its harmful, and I'm going to believe an expert in the field over some doped up stoner begging for peoples acceptance. Lets see some facts about it. And honestly, considering the fact that it may even have a chance of harming you, and it isnt neccessary to smoke it, just makes it seem dumb to me to do it in the first place.[/QUOTE] The fact that you included "Marijuana increases blood pressure and heart rate, especially when combined with cocaine." shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. That is among the stupidest things I have ever read. Furthermore, its not like smoking is the only cannabis preparation.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28310535]Question, do you support prohibition? Yeah, it's a well known fact of life that THC and marijuana causes mild temporary memory loss. Cool, I smoke every day and have done for a long time. I still have a pretty solid memory. A week off of smoking? Perfect memory. The fact of the matter is, there's no way to OD on it, and the damage that's done by it is very minimal. Oh, I know, you'll just say I'm "brainwashed" by pro pot bullshit. Do you even know WHY it was originally made illegal? I'm going to say fuck no you don't.[/QUOTE] I find it pretty funny your trying to justify something you admit causes harm. The fact you admit you smoke it so much pretty much removes all your credibility, because so far its looking like your some stoner whos in denial. And the whole argument that it doesn't hurt you too much is just stupid in itself. For example, say somebody is cutting himself with a butter knife, and some other guy says it probably isnt a good idea to do that. To which the first guy says, yea, but its better then cutting myself with a kitchen knife. So fucking what, either way its gonna harm you in some way, minor or major. And some stupid conspiracy theory isnt going to convince me your right.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;28310703] [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] The fact that you included "Marijuana increases blood pressure and heart rate, especially when combined with cocaine." shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. That is among the stupidest things I have ever read.[/QUOTE] Yeah if your dumb enough try cocaine then you shouldn't smoke.

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;28310800]I find it pretty funny your trying to justify something you admit causes harm. The fact you admit you smoke it so much pretty much removes all your credibility, because so far its looking like your some stoner whos in denial. And the whole argument that it doesn't hurt you too much is just stupid in itself. For example, say somebody is cutting himself with a butter knife, and some other guy says it probably isnt a good idea to do that. To which the first guy says, yea, but its better then cutting myself with a kitchen knife. So fucking what, either way its gonna harm you in some way, minor or major. And some stupid conspiracy theory isnt going to convince me your right.[/QUOTE] I also drink heavily, smoke cigs heavily, and I used to do heroin. you're point? This negates what I say how? This negates that prohibtion does nothing. Seriously, do you support prohibition? [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] The day actual experience in life invalidates you from talking about is the day that social conservatives like DinoJesus here admit that nothing good has ever come of prohibition.

to be fair, smoking anything isn't very good for your lungs.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28310827]I also drink heavily, smoke cigs heavily, and I used to do heroin. you're point? This negates what I say how? This negates that prohibtion does nothing. Seriously, do you support prohibition? [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] The day actual experience in life invalidates you from talking about is the day that social conservatives like DinoJesus here admit that nothing good has ever come of prohibition.[/QUOTE] Probation does nothing, if you dont want it legalized then control yourself from peer pressure and say no to it. Let people do what they want to their body, but dont let other people do what you dont want from your body.

As I type this with Strawberry Kush coursing through my veins, I'm proud to say I smoke pot.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;28310963]Probation does nothing, if you dont want it legalized then control yourself from peer pressure and say no to it. Let people do what they want to their body, but dont let other people do what you dont want from your body.[/QUOTE] I think everything should be legalized. You can already get it, why not have the funds go to the government rather than criminal drug cartels? No amount of federal power or police power is going to get rid of drugs.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28311285]I think everything should be legalized. You can already get it, why not have the funds go to the government rather than criminal drug cartels? No amount of federal power or police power is going to get rid of drugs.[/QUOTE] Yeah Portugal did it right, too bad many people in America wont be the same.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;28310126]every shit is readily available, doesnt mean we should legalize them for shits and giggles or BUT PEOPLE ALREADY DO THIS, WHY NOT JUST LET THEM DO THIS TOO? i mean, really, do you think the dealers or drug lords will let themselves lose their number one source of income and power, just because their shit got legalized?[/QUOTE] It's not about "let", why would consumers ever go to a drug dealer when they can buy shit from the gas station? When it's legal at least you keep people out of prison, that's all it really does. Evidence is overwhelming that the insane majority of people going to prison over drug offenses are users of the drug. I would prefer they get some help with their sickness, and keep them out of jail while we're trying. Drug dealers won't be a factor the same way mobsters aren't a factor in alcohol anymore, blame history not me.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28310702]But do you really think people are only going to smoke weed only once? And what about the reports suggesting heavy weed smoking buggers up your brain? e.g. [url]http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s777336.htm[/url][/QUOTE] If they're trying to find out whether or not it's an accurate medication for them. Also, that goes against a fair number of other stories I've read and etc. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] The most weed use can do, is when you do it too much, cause short term memory damage. Even then, that's reversible.

[QUOTE=Archy;28310947]to be fair, smoking anything isn't very good for your lungs.[/QUOTE] There has never, ever been a case of lung cancer associated with marijuana use by itself. That's really, really saying something, considering that marijuana is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. When I say far more, I mean around 70% more. It should cause cancer, but it doesn't, and we're starting to figure out why.

and that whole bit about how a smokers brain functions like a skitzoids? That's, honestly, that just sounds like biased shit. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=animephreak135;28311907]There has never, ever been a case of lung cancer associated with marijuana use by itself. That's really, really saying something, considering that marijuana is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. When I say far more, I mean around 70% more. It should cause cancer, but it doesn't, and we're starting to figure out why.[/QUOTE] that's also interesting.

[QUOTE=animephreak135;28311907]There has never, ever been a case of lung cancer associated with marijuana use by itself. That's really, really saying something, considering that marijuana is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. When I say far more, I mean around 70% more. It should cause cancer, but it doesn't, and we're starting to figure out why.[/QUOTE] Have a source for any of that? Most of the stuff in this topics sounds, well, sound, but this not so much. Especially when you start throwing out numbers.

[QUOTE=animephreak135;28311907]There has never, ever been a case of lung cancer associated with marijuana use by itself. That's really, really saying something, considering that marijuana is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. When I say far more, I mean around 70% more. It should cause cancer, but it doesn't, and we're starting to figure out why.[/QUOTE] it's not just cancer that smoking something can bring up. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] o asthma (induction & aggravation) o bronchitis (induction & aggravation) o pneumonia (induction & aggravation) [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] if it makes you cough, it's prolly not doing you any favors

I'd be more OK with weed if it weren't for all the fucking douchebags who smoke it. I realize theres nothing wrong with it, but I dont want to give those smug motherfuckers the satisfaction...

[QUOTE=animephreak135;28311907]There has never, ever been a case of lung cancer associated with marijuana use by itself. That's really, really saying something, considering that marijuana is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. When I say far more, I mean around 70% more. It should cause cancer, but it doesn't, and we're starting to figure out why.[/QUOTE] People probably smoke around 1000% more plant matter when it comes to tobacco, no that isn't an actual figure but you get the point. 1-2 pack(s) a day is insane compared to 1 joint a day That said, i don't believe weed is the savior of the human race until i have some scientific evidence explaining why, or more importantly how. Bronchitis also sucks.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28311886]If they're trying to find out whether or not it's an accurate medication for them. Also, that goes against a fair number of other stories I've read and etc. [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] The most weed use can do, is when you do it too much, cause short term memory damage. Even then, that's reversible.[/QUOTE] So if a possible schizophrenic smokes weed once and they don't immediately start hearing voices, that's good enough? My beliefs are also supported by a fair number of stories I have read. We've done this before, so I'll cut to the chase; until I see solid proof that marijuana is as harmless as it's made out to be, I'm unconvinced.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28311975]Have a source for any of that? Most of the stuff in this topics sounds, well, sound, but this not so much. Especially when you start throwing out numbers.[/QUOTE] No source, I've read a number of articles about it. My numbers aren't sound. I know for a fact that marijuana is more carcinogenic than tobacco though. If you try to find cases of purely marijuana induced deaths/cancer, you'll find that you [b]can't[/b]. Keep in mind that I don't [i]like[/i] marijuana.

Hey HumanAbyss, I have a problem with your usual "it should be legal but [i]regulated[/i]" argument for everything, because if the "people can get it if they want to so just make it legal but regulated" argument is valid, then "schizophrenics and minors can get it if they want to so just make it legal and completely unregulated" works just as well. Why not just make it legal and unregulated? Is it just to sound moderate?

[QUOTE=Pockets;28312496]Hey HumanAbyss, I have a problem with your usual "it should be legal but [i]regulated[/i]" argument for everything, because if the "people can get it if they want to so just make it legal but regulated" argument is valid, then "schizophrenics and minors can get it if they want to so just make it legal and completely unregulated" works just as well. Why not just make it legal and unregulated? Is it just to sound moderate?[/QUOTE] I have trouble with this as well, since as a minor i knew many people smoking pot and even doing cocaine. I don't know what the answer is, but minors and schizophrenics are probably a small market. If nothing else you would put a huge dent in the black market's sales, a part of me wants to say make it legal for all because they can get it anyway but i know once the demand is lowered so much it will be almost impossible to find compared to today's standards so it becomes less of a problem. People with mental conditions should be able to take drugs i think, only because if they're violently ill then they're probably in an institution already and if they aren't, i don't think they will be. We already have laws for crimes that "hard" drugs supposedly induce. There is no need to arrest somebody for simply holding or consuming it. If they cause a ruckus and beat up some people, punishment for assault or battery. Simple. By the same token you would ask if schizophrenics should be able to buy alcohol, i think they can and it hasn't been that large of a problem.

lol legal or not it's easier to get than alcohol if you're underage :v:

The best quote I've heard about this subject is "if cannabis was recently found in the Amazon jungle, it would be studied, analyzed, and easily become a miracle drug" The only reason why it's having such a hard time becoming this is because of the preconceptions about it and the governments restricting a lot of studies.

Stuff weed can do: Replace harmfull chemo Safer alternative to smoking Save forests by using it for paper etc...

If anybody is interested in something informative watch this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBsxfbgrbY[/media]

[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;28312705]Stuff weed can do: Replace harmfull chemo Safer alternative to smoking Save forests by using it for paper etc...[/QUOTE] You can use weed to make [i]paper?[/i] ... [img]http://geekspodcast.com/geekpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yo_dawg-230x300.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Pockets;28312781]You can use weed to make [I]paper?[/I] ... [/QUOTE] You can create paper out of hemp.

[QUOTE=Killoch0;28309257]I think it should be pointed out its Cannabis [B]Extracts[/B] that killed the cancer in this study, and not smoked Cannabis. On another note, it seems every week some new treatment/cure for cancer is found. Why is cancer not a distant memory yet?![/QUOTE] Because there are dozens of different types of Cancer, all with different causes and treatments.