Cannabis Extracts Kills Cancer Cells in Cancer Sufferers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315049]Holy shit are you that bad that you literally do not understand the concept of context? Here let me help you: No greater risk... of cancer. It doesn't mean no greater risk of anything overall at all ever. and here [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12144608[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11219370[/url] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437[/url] Three separate abstracts/conclusions saying that cannabis smoke has physical effects on the lungs. That's a little better than a quote mined line from fox news[/QUOTE] Find me a single case of someone getting a physical illness, ie; cancer, emphsyma, black lung, etc. from smoking cannabis alone and dying from it. There are 0 cases. The literal body count for the number of people dead due to cannabis alone is 0. Do your research.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315107]Find me a single case of someone getting a physical illness, ie; cancer, emphsyma, black lung, etc. from smoking cannabis alone and dying from it. There are 0 cases. The literal body count for the number of people dead due to cannabis alone is 0. Do your research.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goal_posts[/url]

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315130][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goal_posts[/url][/QUOTE] Your pubmed links don't really amount to anything if they don't have the statistical data to back up their claims. If their 'massive public health issue' was really as such, why would their be virtually 0 deaths accounted for because of cannabis alone? The only logical fallacy I see is your inability to accept your wrong on the subject of cannabis health. Be a bigger man and learn from your mistakes so you don't make them again.

ok i think we can all agree that any kind of smoke, enough of it, is going to give you a mild sore throat. can you guys stop :sissies:'ing eachother to death now? [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] also, anyone got a lozenge? [editline]26th February 2011[/editline] ALSO HEY HUMAN ABYSS respond to my post up in page three you inflammatory post ignorer you

Yeah I agree, the smoke thing is p offtopic. Sorry bout that.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315187]Your pubmed links don't really amount to anything if they don't have the statistical data to back up their claims. If their 'massive public health issue' was really as such, why would their be virtually 0 deaths accounted for because of cannabis alone? The only logical fallacy I see is your inability to accept your wrong on the subject of cannabis health. Be a bigger man and learn from your mistakes so you don't make them again.[/QUOTE] Holy mother of god you are just nuts. Who said any of this why do you have such a persecution issue over this what is wrong with you. They're reputable peer reviewed studies showing negative effects on the lungs such as pulmonary irritation and inflation, I never said pot is gonna give you black lung or kill millions of people jesus christ. I'm not wrong, you're insane. e: The data is there it's behind a paywall. And it's better than a link to fox news and "ravers something"

Here is a list of medical research studies done to show cannabis' effect on brain cells alone. There are literally thousands more of these studies for a plethora of different aspects of the body. Asthma, ADD, Cancer, Lupus, PTSD, and many more. [U][B] NEURONS/ BRAIN CELLS[/B][/U] Cannabinoid Receptor Localization in Brain (full - 1990) [URL="http://www.pnas.org/content/87/5/1932.full.pdf+html?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabis&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=3760&resourcetype=HWCIT"]Cannabinoid receptor localization in brain [/URL] Cannabinoid Receptor Agonists Protect Cultured Rat Hippocampal Neurons from Excitotoxicity (full - 1998) [URL="http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/54/3/459.full"]Cannabinoid Receptor Agonists Protect Cultured Rat Hippocampal Neurons from Excitotoxicity [/URL] Loss of Cannabinoid Receptor Binding and Messenger Rna Levels and Cannabinoid Agonist-stimulated [35s]guanylyl-5'o-(Thio)-triphosphate Binding in the Basal Ganglia of Aged Rats. (abst - 1998) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9578396?dopt=Abstract"]Loss of cannabinoid receptor binding and messenger... [Neuroscience. 1998] - PubMed result[/URL] Endocannabinoids in the central nervous system--an overview. (abst - 2002) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12052038"]Endocannabinoids in the central nervous system--an... [Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2002 Feb-Mar] - PubMed result[/URL] Neurons on cannabinoids: dead or alive? (full - 2003) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1574056/?tool=pmcentrez"]Neurons on cannabinoids: dead or alive?[/URL] Cannabis and the brain. (full - 2003) [URL="http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/126/6/1252"]Cannabis and the brain -- Iversen 126 (6): 1252 -- Brain[/URL] Role of Endogenous Cannabinoids in Synaptic Signaling (full - 2003) [URL="http://physrev.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/83/3/1017?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabinoid&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=160&resourcetype=HWCIT"]Role of Endogenous Cannabinoids in Synaptic Signaling -- FREUND et al. 83 (3): 1017 -- Physiological Reviews[/URL] Cannabinoid Modulation of Peripheral Autonomic and Sensory Neurotransmission. (abst - 2003) [URL="http://medical-journals.healia.com/doc/12860468/Cannabinoid-modulation-of-peripheral-autonomic-and-sensory-neurotransmission"]Cannabinoid Modulation of Peripheral Autonomic and Sensory Neurotransmission. - Medical Journals - Healia[/URL] Cannabinoids and neuroinflammation (full - 2004) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1574256/?tool=pmcentrez"]Cannabinoids and neuroinflammation[/URL] Defective adult neurogenesis in CB1 cannabinoid receptor knockout mice. (full - 2004) [URL="http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/66/2/204.long"]Defective Adult Neurogenesis in CB1 Cannabinoid Receptor Knockout Mice [/URL] Marijuana-Like Chemicals in the Brain Calm Neurons (news - 2004) [URL="http://www.medpot.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=9686"]Marijuana-Like Chemicals in the Brain Calm Neurons - MedPot.net/Forums[/URL] Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects (full - 2005) [URL="http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/115/11/3104"]Journal of Clinical Investigation -- Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects[/URL] Marijuana Promotes Neuron Growth (news - 2005) [URL="http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=253377&rel_no=1"]Study Shows Marijuana Promotes Neuron Growth - OhmyNews International[/URL] Cannabis 'can expand the brain (news - 2005) [URL="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8008/is_20051014/ai_n40393462/?tag=content;col1"]Cannabis 'can expand the brain | Daily Post; Liverpool (UK) Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET[/URL] Marijuana May Spur New Brain Cells (forum/news - 2005) [URL="http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5921"]Marijuana May Spur New Brain Cells - TreatingYourself.COM Online Community[/URL] Good News For The Medical Marijuana Movement: Pot Proliferates Brain Cells And Boosts Mood (news - 2005) [URL="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051014073523.htm"]Good News For The Medical Marijuana Movement: Pot Proliferates Brain Cells And Boosts Mood[/URL] Marijuana May Grow Neurons in the Brain (news - 2005) [URL="http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/AnxietyStress/1934"]Medical News: Marijuana May Grow Neurons in the Brain - in Psychiatry, Anxiety & Stress from MedPage Today[/URL] Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain (news - 2005) [URL="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8155-marijuana-might-cause-new-cell-growth-in-the-brain.html"]Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain - health - 13 October 2005 - New Scientist[/URL] Non-psychoactive CB2 cannabinoid agonists stimulate neural progenitor proliferation (full - 2006) [URL="http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/20/13/2405?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabis&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT"]Non-psychoactive CB2 cannabinoid agonists stimulate neural progenitor proliferation -- Palazuelos et al. 20 (13): 2405 -- The FASEB Journal[/URL] Differential effects of cannabis extracts and pure plant cannabinoids on hippocampal neurones and glia. (abst - 2006) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16997463?dopt=Abstract"]Differential effects of cannabis extracts and pure... [Neurosci Lett. 2006] - PubMed result[/URL] The endocannabinoid system and neurogenesis in health and disease. (abst - 2007) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17404371"]The endocannabinoid system and neurogenesis in hea... [Neuroscientist. 2007] - PubMed result[/URL] Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol induces dopamine release in the human striatum. (full - 2009) [URL="http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v34/n3/abs/npp2008138a.html"]Neuropsychopharmacology - Abstract of article: [Delta]9-Tetrahydrocannabinol Induces Dopamine Release in the Human Striatum[/URL] Endocannabinoid signaling in neurotoxicity and neuroprotection. (abst - 2009) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19969019"]Endocannabinoid signaling in neurotoxicity and neu... [Neurotoxicology. 2009] - PubMed result[/URL] Cannabinoid receptors in brain: pharmacogenetics, neuropharmacology, neurotoxicology, and potential therapeutic applications. (abst - 2009) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19897083"]Cannabinoid receptors in brain: pharmacogenetics, ... [Int Rev Neurobiol. 2009] - PubMed result[/URL] Cannabinoid receptor CB1 mediates baseline and activity-induced survival of new neurons in adult hippocampal neurogenesis (full - 2010) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898685/?tool=pmcentrez"]Cannabinoid receptor CB1 mediates baseline and activity-induced survival of new neurons in adult hippocampal neurogenesis[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315281]Here is a list of medical research studies done to show cannabis' effect on brain cells alone. There are literally thousands more of these studies for a plethora of different aspects of the body. Asthma, ADD, Cancer, Lupus, PTSD, and many more. [/QUOTE] It's like we're having different arguments.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315235]oh and [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/URL] [/QUOTE] [editline]27th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315303]It's like we're having different arguments.[/QUOTE] You said to quote more than just one source buddy, what else would you like to see linked? That was just one part of the big picture.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315315][/QUOTE] Ad hominem is when personal insults are used as an arguing tactic. I made my argument, then called you nuts. Totally different. e: Oh man how did I forget [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/Strawman[/url]

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315315][editline]27th February 2011[/editline] You said to quote more than just one source buddy, what else would you like to see linked cause that was just a taste.[/QUOTE] Dude he's talking about the lungs, not the brain. ??? o_o

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315338]Ad hominem is when personal insults are used as an arguing tactic. I made my argument, then called you nuts. Totally different.[/QUOTE] More like you used a personal attack in response to my own rebuttal. Sounds like ad hom bullshit to me.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315369]More like you used a personal attack in response to my own rebuttal. Sounds like ad hom bullshit to me.[/QUOTE] It's funny because I think the same of you and have a long history of posting to go on. And no, I used a personal attack to insult you, and made my rebuttal. You have very poor reading comprehension, apparently. [quote]Holy mother of god you are just nuts. Who said any of this why do you have such a persecution issue over this what is wrong with you. [B]They're reputable peer reviewed studies showing negative effects on the lungs such as pulmonary irritation and inflation, I never said pot is gonna give you black lung or kill millions of people jesus christ.[/B] I'm not wrong, you're insane.[/quote] See? Also it's [I]really[/I] hard to make a rebuttal when you're arguing something totally different from what I am.

[U][B]METHODS OF USE - SMOKING[/B][/U] also see- SMOKED CANNABIS AS MEDICINE {delta}9-Transtetrahydrocannabinol and Natural Marihuana (abst - 1973) [URL="http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/2/278?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marihuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT"]Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Abstract: {delta}9-Transtetrahydrocannabinol and Natural Marihuana: A Controlled Comparison, February 1973, Galanter et al. 28 (2): 278[/URL] Effects of Marihuana on Man: Committee on Drugs (full - 1975) [URL="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/56/1/134?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marihuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT"]Effects of Marihuana on Man: Committee on Drugs -- Yaffe et al. 56 (1): 134 -- Pediatrics[/URL] Plasma delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations and clinical effects after oral and intravenous administration and smoking (abst - 1980) [URL="http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v28/n3/abs/clpt1980181a.html"]Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics - Abstract of article: Plasma delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations and clinical effects after oral and intravenous administration and smoking[/URL] The clinical pharmacology and dynamics of marihuana cigarette smoking (abst - 1981) [URL="http://jcp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/21/8_suppl/201S?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marihuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT"]The clinical pharmacology and dynamics of marihuana cigarette smoking -- Perez-Reyes et al. 21 (8 Supplement): S201 -- The Journal of Clinical Pharmacology[/URL] Comparison of effects of marihuana cigarettes of three different potencies (full - 1982) [URL="http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v31/n5/pdf/clpt198286a.pdf"]http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v...lpt198286a.pdf[/URL] Breathhold duration and response to marijuana smoke. (abst - 1989) [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2554344?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.P[/url] ubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pu bmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2&log$=relatedarticles&l ogdbfrom=pubmed Marijuana Smoking: Factors That Influence the Bioavailability of Tetrahydrocannabinol (full - 1990) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/FactorsThatInfluenceBioavailability.pdf"]http://www.ukcia.org/research/Factor...ailability.pdf[/URL] Chronic Exposure to Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol Fails to Irreversibly Alter Brain Cannabinoid Receptors. (abst - 1991) [URL="http://medical-journals.healia.com/doc/1649662/Chronic-exposure-to-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-fails-to-irreversibly-alter-brain-cannabinoid-receptors"]Chronic Exposure to Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol Fails to Irreversibly Alter Brain Cannabinoid Receptors. - Medical Journals - Healia[/URL] Response to marijuana as a function of potency and breathhold duration (abst - 1991) [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2027922?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.P[/url] ubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pu bmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&l ogdbfrom=pubmed Marijuana smoking: effect of varying delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol content and number of puffs. (abst - 1992) [URL="http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/261/1/114.abstract?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=marihuana&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=480&resourcetype=HWCIT"]http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/conten...urcetype=HWCIT[/URL] Effects of water filtration on marijuana smoke: a literature review (full - 1993) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/EffectsOfWaterFiltrationOnMarijuanaSmoke.php"]Effects of water filtration on marijuana smoke: a literature review[/URL] Effects of delta 9-THC on marijuana smoking, dose choice, and verbal report of drug liking. (full - 1994) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1334408/?tool=pubmed"]Effects of delta 9-THC on marijuana smoking, dose choice, and verbal report of drug liking.[/URL] Marijuana smoking: effects of varying puff volume and breathhold duration. (abst - 1995) [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7853169?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.P[/url] ubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pu bmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&l ogdbfrom=pubmed Effects of Varying Marijuana Potency on Deposition of Tar and D 9 -THC in the Lung During Smoking (full - 1997) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/EffectsOfVaryingMarijuanaPotency.pdf"]http://www.ukcia.org/research/Effect...anaPotency.pdf[/URL] Marijuana Water Pipe and Vaporizer Study (news - 2000) [URL="http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html"]MAPS - Volume 6 Number 3 Summer 1996 -[/URL] A primer for patients’ use of medicinal marijuana (full - 2001) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81348/pdf/20010807s00037p329.pdf"]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...s00037p329.pdf[/URL] Cannabis smoke condensate I: the effect of different preparation methods on tetrahydrocannabinol levels. (abst - 2008) [URL="http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/5/7/1888.htm"]Cannabis smoke condensate I: the effect of different preparation methods on tetrahydrocannabinol levels.[/URL] A comparison of drug use and dependence between blunt smokers and other cannabis users (abst - 2009) [URL="http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/19212929/abstract/A_comparison_of_drug_use_and_dependence_between_blunt_smokers_and_other_cannabis_users_"]Unbound MEDLINE | A comparison of drug use and dependence between blunt smokers and other cannabis users. Journal article abstract[/URL] Comparison of subjective, pharmacokinetic, and physiological effects of marijuana smoked as joints and blunts. (abst - 2009) [URL="http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/19443132/abstract/"]Unbound MEDLINE | Comparison of subjective, pharmacokinetic, and physiological effects of marijuana smoked as joints and blunts. Journal article abstract[/URL] 3.0 Dosing (abst - 2009) [URL="http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/how-comment/medpract/infoprof/dosing-posologie-eng.php"]Page 5 - Information for Health Care Professionals: Marihuana (Marijuana, Cannabis) Dried Plant for Administration by Ingestion or Other Means: Psychoactive Agent [Health Canada, 2003][/URL] Cannabinoid receptor 1 binding activity and quantitative analysis of Cannabis sativa L. smoke and vapor. (full - 2010) [URL="http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/cpb/58/2/58_201/_article"]CPB : Vol. 58 (2010) , No. 2 201[/URL] Cannabuttons and super cannabuttons (forum post - 2010) [URL="http://www.greenpassion.org/showthread.php?t=22839"]Cannabuttons and super cannabuttons - GreenPassion - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis[/URL] [editline]27th February 2011[/editline] Take your pick among the lot, they all regard the effects of smoking and quite frankly I can keep doing this because these studies are more plentiful then you seem to realize. [editline]27th February 2011[/editline] [U][B]LONG TERM USE EFFECTS[/B][/U] Cognition and Long-Term Use of Ganja (Cannabis) (full - 1981) [URL="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/cognition.htm"]Cognition and Long-Term Use of Ganja (Cannabis)[/URL] Long-Term Marijuana Users Suffer Few Health Problems, Australian Study Indicates (news - 1997) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/aus.htm"]Long-Term Marijuana Users Suffer Few Health Problems, Australian Study Indicates[/URL] Long-term cannabis use: characteristics of users in an Australian rural area. (abst - 1998) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9744119"]Long-term cannabis use: characteristics of users i... 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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315388] Take your pick among the lot, they all regard the effects of smoking and quite frankly I can keep doing this because these studies are more plentiful then you seem to realize.[/QUOTE] I seriously don't know how to make it any clearer to you that I understand how pot works and I don't have a problem with it. Like you seriously can't get that. This entire argument stems from you denying (or not I seriously don't know anymore) that there are physical effects on the lungs from the smoke when you smoke it. This isn't about how it interacts with it's receptors, it's not about vaporizing it, it's not about cancer. This is why I think you're nuts, you can't see this.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315235]Holy mother of god you are just nuts. Who said any of this why do you have such a persecution issue over this what is wrong with you. They're reputable peer reviewed studies showing negative effects on the lungs such as pulmonary irritation and inflation, I never said pot is gonna give you black lung or kill millions of people jesus christ. I'm not wrong, you're insane. e: The data is there it's behind a paywall. And it's better than a link to fox news and "ravers something"[/QUOTE] Okay this is going downhill fast, but I'd like to add this: I was never talking about any short term negative effects, just long term effects, which I'm unaware of any that persist from chronic marijuana smoke. I can live with some irritation, I can't live with black lung.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;28315474]Okay this is going downhill fast, but I'd like to add this: I was never talking about any short term negative effects, just long term effects, which I'm unaware of any that persist from chronic marijuana smoke. I can live with some irritation, I can't live with black lung.[/QUOTE] Neither was I, I was arguing about it exacerbating already existing conditions and decreasing lung function and structure. I never said it caused black lung or shit. I'm gonna end this now too because it's going around in circles and it's painful to argue with someone like him. e: You can see some long term lung capacity/function effects from the links I posted. I could go look up more but it's annoying not having journal access. I'll ask my medical friend later to help me find some if you so desire. ee: I'm gonna make a final point here. I stick by the idea that extracts are better because they don't come with the physical lung strain that comes with smoking. You (shukaido) never actually made an argument against this and just went off on some wildass tangent, so yeah.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315502]Neither was I, I was arguing about it exacerbating already existing conditions and decreasing lung function and structure. I never said it caused black lung or shit. I'm gonna end this now too because it's going around in circles and it's painful to argue with someone like him.[/QUOTE] Okay cool, bit of a misunderstanding on my part then.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315452]This entire argument stems from you denying (or not I seriously don't know anymore) that there are physical effects on the lungs from the smoke when you smoke it.[/QUOTE] Yes... that's what I'm addressing with actual medical research journals. On multiple topics no less.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315552]Yes... that's what I'm addressing with actual medical research journals. On multiple topics no less.[/QUOTE] Well you're doing a poor job of it seeing as how a good majority of those links are totally irrelevant and make it hard to find the ones that are since you just spam a giant list of links you have instead of picking out ones you can make an argument from.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315502] ee: I'm gonna make a final point here. I stick by the idea that extracts are better because they don't come with the physical lung strain that comes with smoking. You (shukaido) never actually made an argument against this and just went off on some wildass tangent, so yeah.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with this point at all and, in retrospect, acknowledge I had a bit of a tangent. However, you're wrong when you say this: [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315502]I was arguing about it exacerbating already existing conditions and decreasing lung function and structure.[/quote] Not sure what you mean by that, but I suffer from asthma and I'd consider that an 'already existing condition' effecting the lungs that, as a matter of fact, is aided by smoking cannabis. I can link journals backing this up if necessary but I'll refrain from going on a tangent.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;28315621]I don't disagree with this point at all and, in retrospect, acknowledge I had a bit of a tangent. However, you're wrong when you say this: Not sure what you mean by that, but I suffer from asthma and I'd consider that an 'already existing condition' effecting the lungs that, as a matter of fact, is aided by smoking cannabis. I can link journals backing this up if necessary but I'll refrain from going on a tangent.[/QUOTE] If you could, that would be fine and i'll take a look at them. Your whole reaction just seemed to come from thinking I was attacking cannabis as a whole rather than an aspect of it's consumption.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28315647]If you could, that would be fine and i'll take a look at them. Your whole reaction just seemed to come from thinking I was attacking cannabis as a whole rather than an aspect of it's consumption.[/QUOTE] Yeah ofc. [U][B]ASTHMA [/B][/U] Acute effects of smoked marijuana and oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol on specific airway conductance in asthmatic subjects (full - 1974) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/SmokedAndOralInAsthmatic.php"]Acute effects of smoked marijuana and oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol on specific airway conductance in asthmatic subjects[/URL] Effects of smoked marijuana in experimentally induced asthma. (full - 1975) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/InducedAsthma/index.php"]Effects of Smoked Marijuana in Experimentally Induced Asthma[/URL] Bronchodilator effect of delta1-tetrahydrocannabinol administered by aerosol of asthmatic patients. (full - 1976) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC470501/?tool=pmcentrez&page=1"]Bronchodilator effect of delta1-tetrahydrocannabinol administered by aerosol of asthmatic patients.[/URL] Bronchial effects of aerosolized delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (abst - 1977) [URL="http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_db_study_show.php?s_id=109"]Clinical Studies and Case Reports[/URL] Bronchodilator effect of delta1-tetrahydrocannabinol. (full - 1978) [URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1429361/"]Bronchodilator effect of delta1-tetrahydrocannabinol.[/URL] Comparison of bronchial effects of nabilone and terbutaline (abst - 1983) [URL="http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_db_study_show.php?s_id=43"]Clinical Studies and Case Reports[/URL] Acute and subacute bronchial effects of oral cannabinoids. (abst - 1984) [URL="http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_db_study_show.php?s_id=44"]Clinical Studies and Case Reports[/URL] ANALGESIC AND ANTIINFLAMMATORY ACTIVITY OF CONSTITUENTS OF CANNABIS SATIVA L. (full - 1988) [URL="http://www.ukcia.org/research/AnalgesicAndAntiInflammatoryActivityofConstituents.html"]http://www.ukcia.org/research/Analge...stituents.html[/URL] Therapeutic aspects of cannabis and cannabinoids. (full - 2001) [URL="http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/178/2/107"]Therapeutic aspects of cannabis and cannabinoids -- ROBSON 178 (2): 107 -- The British Journal of Psychiatry[/URL] New Synthetic Delta-9-THC Inhaler Offers Safe, Rapid Delivery (news - 2005) [URL="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/22937.php"]New Synthetic Delta-9-THC Inhaler Offers Safe, Rapid Delivery, Phase I Study[/URL] The Cannabinergic System as a Target for Anti-inflammatory Therapies (abst - 2006) [URL="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/ctmc/2006/00000006/00000013/art00008"]IngentaConnect The Cannabinergic System as a Target for Anti-inflammatory Therap...[/URL] Cannabinoid CB2 receptor activation prevents bronchoconstriction and airway oedema in a model of gastro-oesophageal reflux (abst - 2007) [URL="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1J-4P40KRK-2&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F14%2F2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d50f298031f4c6015ee5dbd08aee590f"]ScienceDirect - European Journal of Pharmacology : Cannabinoid CB2 receptor activation prevents bronchoconstriction and airway oedema in a model of gastro-oesophageal reflux[/URL] Also note the multiple references to the bronchial dilation.

Dude the links between cannabis and schizophrenia are well documented. It's not just "one study". e.g. [url]http://bipolar.about.com/od/relateddisorders/a/schizo_pot.htm[/url] Don't try and write it off.

Cannabis can possibly wake your schizophrenia if you are already prone to it.

All they need to do is genetically modify bud some how to stop it from causing physcosis and later schizophrenia, and boom everyone can be high 24/7 and still be kinda healthy

can also be used for most building materials. Makes me sad that some people really think the reason the governments of the world don't want it legalized is because of it's use as a drug or even because of it's negative effects.

[QUOTE=Pockets;28312496]Hey HumanAbyss, I have a problem with your usual "it should be legal but [i]regulated[/i]" argument for everything, because if the "people can get it if they want to so just make it legal but regulated" argument is valid, then "schizophrenics and minors can get it if they want to so just make it legal and completely unregulated" works just as well. Why not just make it legal and unregulated? Is it just to sound moderate?[/QUOTE] I don't give a fuck about sounding moderate, so no. Making it legal and unregulated? Well, obviously people are going to get it, but hey, why not just make it legal for kids to buy cigs? Or alcohol. Same shit. "regulation" goes as far as buying age, or in a world where people actually went by doctors referrals and asked doctors about what they could do, would get it that way. also, how in the fuck is this inflamatory? It's not like your pointing out a huge flaw here. [editline]27th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;28316672]can also be used for most building materials. Makes me sad that some people really think the reason the governments of the world don't want it legalized is because of it's use as a drug or even because of it's negative effects.[/QUOTE] The only country that I know of that DOESN'T grow industrial hemp, is the US.

Hahaha, yes. This is just perfect, finally.

Awesome! but I am fairly sure I read something like this sometime ago?