• Democrats to pursue assault weapons ban, as Sandy Hook Elementary 'unlikely to re-open'
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852770]Omg how adorable you actually think the Libyan military is comparable to the US, and better yet, you think millions of residents of a first world country are going to stand up and overthrow a major world power with semi auto rifles and pistols lol[/QUOTE] In the event of a revolution or other internal conflict, an untrained populace can fuck a lot of shit up. Just look at what happened in the Vietnam war. Not to mention the American revolution itself.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38852804]What about knives, they're the most accessible MURDERING TOOL there is![/QUOTE] mass murders with knives require a higher degree of bravery and physical strength
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852770]Omg how adorable you actually think the Libyan military is comparable to the US, and better yet, you think millions of residents of a first world country are going to stand up and overthrow a major world power with semi auto rifles and pistols lol[/QUOTE] So I guess America should have won Vietnam. Afghanistan too then, since America is unstoppable and some farmer guys with small arms can't do shit. Also apparently you think all US servicemen are robots and will just fire on civilians. Notice how in revolutions there's a little trend of parts of the army defecting Like fuck I really can't wrap my head around your logic, I want to say you're trolling but I know you aren't so you must just be really dumb
[QUOTE=ewitwins;38852817]If we banned everything that people murder each other with then we will have still not even [b]TOUCHED[/b] on the actual, underlying issue.[/QUOTE] Shit, we need forced amputation.. I just realised your hands can break a neck and your legs can stomp a head in.
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Why don't they ban murder? :downs:
Guys fucking stop with the stupid "but knives/fists/butts/etc. kill too". You always end up getting the thread riled and going on in circles.
God dammit, the government should be focusing more on mental health and education. Things like that are going to create more of a change than gun control.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38852833]So I guess America should have won Vietnam. Afghanistan too then, since America is unstoppable and some farmer guys with small arms can't do shit. Also apparently you think all US servicemen are robots and will just fire on civilians. Notice how in revolutions there's a little trend of parts of the army defecting Like fuck I really can't wrap my head around your logic, I want to say you're trolling but I know you aren't so you must just be really dumb[/QUOTE] the vietnamese were supported by the soviets and chinese in a tiny country with terrain unsuited for the american army
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38852869]the vietnamese were supported by the soviets and chinese in a tiny country with terrain unsuited for the american army[/QUOTE] How so was the terrain Vietnam any different than the Island-Hopping operations in Japan?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852770]Omg how adorable you actually think the Libyan military is comparable to the US, and better yet, you think millions of residents of a first world country are going to stand up and overthrow a major world power with semi auto rifles and pistols lol[/QUOTE] And you don't think any parts of the US army would defect at all no sir you just mock your opponent.
Yeah, seriously, can we stop with the fucking character defamation? It's a terrible argument tactic and gets us goddamn [b]nowhere[/b].
[QUOTE=Atlascore;38852855]Hahahaha Comparing the US military to the Syrian and Libya armies is insane, the US military is far more well equipped, is larger, and has access to tens of thousands of the most advanced tanks and aircraft on the planet. Any revolt in America would be fucking crushed instantly.[/QUOTE] Why should technology matter? It's the same simple principle of rebellion. How can a government maintain control when its populous doesn't support it anymore especially when this population is armed.
The Japanese weren't exactly occupants of those islands for thousands of years either. They had an advantage, but not to the extent the Vietnamese had of their own homeland.
[QUOTE=Fort83;38852879]Why would citizens need assault weapons in the first place? Hunting rifles and handguns are one thing but there really isn't any real need to own an AK-47[/QUOTE] Except, by definition, 80% of the "AK-47s" aren't assault weapons.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38852884]How so was the terrain Vietnam any different than the Island-Hopping operations in Japan?[/QUOTE] well for one thing, the americans bombed the shit out of it with agent orange and firebombs to get rid of the forest cover and destroy their agriculture
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852770]Omg how adorable you actually think the Libyan military is comparable to the US, and better yet, you think millions of residents of a first world country are going to stand up and overthrow a major world power with semi auto rifles and pistols lol[/QUOTE] if it ever got to a state where they were taking away the guns, yes. i think we would.
An assault weapon is no more dangerous than a hunting rifle. All these bans do is make certain aesthetics illegal. All it means is someone will have to shoot up their place with a normal rifle rather than a black scary one with pistol grips. It's a huge waste of time. Instead, we should improve our treatment for people with mental issues. Target the crime at its cause, not the tools used to carry it out. Should we ban sports cars to stop getaways? Assault weapon = term used to denote certain aesthetics on a firearm that make it look more "military." Assault rifle = a rifle with a selectable firing mode. They are not the same.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38852869]the vietnamese were supported by the soviets and chinese in a tiny country with terrain unsuited for the american army[/QUOTE] America would be terrain unsuited for the American military. Practically urban combat where ever you'd turn
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38852833]So I guess America should have won Vietnam. Afghanistan too then, since America is unstoppable and some farmer guys with small arms can't do shit. Also apparently you think all US servicemen are robots and will just fire on civilians. Notice how in revolutions there's a little trend of parts of the army defecting Like fuck I really can't wrap my head around your logic, I want to say you're trolling but I know you aren't so you must just be really dumb[/QUOTE] Yeah paranoid schizophrenics usually have a hard time coping with logic and reason [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming + irrelevant substanceless post (last chance)" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38852884]How so was the terrain Vietnam any different than the Island-Hopping operations in Japan?[/QUOTE] Because the allies were fighting a 100% conventionally fought war in WW2. One side HAD to win otherwise the other would retake that island. They could not pull out. Many, many people died fighting but the only way to end the bloodshed was to shed more blood. The US only pulled out of Vietnam because the casualties were pissing off the civilian population. My point being don't compare WW2 to Vietnam.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38852902]Why should technology matter? It's the same simple principle of rebellion. How can a government maintain control when its populous doesn't support it anymore especially when this population is armed.[/QUOTE] There's also the fact that the American military has a massive connection with the population base considering how much we romanticize military service (or at least used to). I seriously doubt that the American military would ever consider for a second firing upon the American public. We're not some hodunk Middle-Eastern country and we're not some random African dictatorship, nor are we an Asian Communist politburo, so let's drop the topic of armed revolt and move on to the real discussion: How do we stop this from happening again?
[QUOTE=Zambies!;38852891]And you don't think any parts of the US army would defect at all no sir you just mock your opponent.[/QUOTE] depends on the loyalty of the army some autocracies stayed in power for centuries through use of military force to crush dissent, and usually economic calamity or changing conditions outside of their borders ended up spelling their doom
[QUOTE=Fort83;38852879]Why would citizens need assault weapons in the first place? Hunting rifles and handguns are one thing but there really isn't any real need to own an AK-47[/QUOTE] Civilian AK's are not assault rifles. And if I put a pistol grip on a hunting rifle it's just as much of an "assault weapon" as that AK as far as the government is concerned.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;38852936]Are you really comparing foreign wars to a native revolution? Some rednecks with guns would get blown away, the US military wouldn't be dealing with some gureilla force in a foreign land, they'd be dealing with something in their own back yard.[/QUOTE] Do you really think it would just be some groups of rednecks who want their damned guns? The united states is mostly gun happy, and would sure as hell like to keep it's guns. I own two guns and I'm 15 under my dad's name. Everyone I know owns at least ONE. Now most of these people want their damned guns. (sorry, last post about this please.)
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852931]Yeah paranoid schizophrenics usually have a hard time coping with logic and reason[/QUOTE] Wow 10/10 rebuttal. You do a good job at getting me riled up though, I'd buy you a title but someone already beat me to it
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38852927]America would be terrain unsuited for the American military. Practically urban combat where ever you'd turn[/QUOTE] except the american military has good supplies, communications, training and coordination if a revolution occurred in america the "intended" way, i can summarize the events: 1. localized outbreaks of violence, looting, pillaging, shooting and seizing of things like post offices 2. the police, and then the armed forces would quell this 3. any groups left fighting on would run out of bullets, food, manpower and often be captured or surrender
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38852955]depends on the loyalty of the army some autocracies stayed in power for centuries through use of military force to crush dissent, and usually economic calamity or changing conditions outside of their borders ended up spelling their doom[/QUOTE] The problem with the US is that it's a fucking MASSIVE amount of area. You can't possibly expect to control the entire US like that without having an army that's in the 10s of millions. Anyway, this discussion is fucking stupid. The US army has again and again proven itself incompetent when it comes to guerrilla wars. Guerrillas are, BY DEFINITION, untrained and unorganized, which is what makes them so powerful against the US.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;38852936]Are you really comparing foreign wars to a native revolution? Some rednecks with guns would get blown away, the US military wouldn't be dealing with some gureilla force in a foreign land, they'd be dealing with something in their own back yard.[/QUOTE] And dealing with it in your own backyard would be even harder. There's enough guns to arm 90% of the American populous that's far from a few rednecks
[QUOTE=Kopimi;38852931]Yeah paranoid schizophrenics usually have a hard time coping with logic and reason[/QUOTE] Holy fuck, why do you love to take every single debate to a personal level? The moment someone brings up a point that you disagree with, you gun them down with insults that not only have no grounding, but have no real point in the discussion. Stop.
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