America drops $132,000 in bombs to take out ISIS flag - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=draugur;46339672]5-7 guys and a heavily fortified position (which this hill was) can easily kill 50-70 guys if not more in the defense of said position. Sorry but I would gladly accept $132,000 in bombs dropped over a pointless loss of human life.[/QUOTE] what I don't see how that lowly hilltop is (or was) an ideal position to fortify and defend? [editline]28th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=En-Guage;46350240]True. Truth is I do.[/QUOTE] If you want to see it out of curiosity and interest (and disgust to some extent) then knock yourself out. Just don't go jerking off to that shit you fucking hick.

[QUOTE=KingGrim;46349105]I'm sure I might catch some shit for replying this late but I'd just like to throw my opinion in on this. The difference between the German Military Forces in WW2 and ISIS, is that the large majority if not all of the members of the ISIS have committed war crimes. Meanwhile not too many German forces committed war crimes(aside from the SS and several other units)but regardless it's still a much smaller percentage compared to ISIS, which is the thing he's getting at. Whether you like it or not they're vowing to kill their enemy which includes us so you have no reason to feel sorry for them because they won't feel sorry for you, and believe it or not they have a choice. If they felt so strongly against killing unarmed combatants and civilians they could do everything in their power to get out of it or just not sign up in the first place.[/QUOTE] Once again's I'd love to know how you managed to figure this out. In all likelihood, the guys on that hillside were nothing but IS combatants who hadn't done some horrible atrocity like you think. [QUOTE=En-Guage;46350240]True. Truth is I do.[/QUOTE] I rest my case. [QUOTE=Fort83;46350397]"I'm right 100% of the time because I say I'm right."[/QUOTE] It's because I'm a huge genius.

Explosions ive never seen more blatant shitposting in my roughly 6 years here, stop while you're behind brother

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46350618]Explosions ive never seen more blatant shitposting in my roughly 6 years here, stop while you're behind brother[/QUOTE] He's right. Especially this [quote]Once again's I'd love to know how you managed to figure this out. In all likelihood, the guys on that hillside were nothing but IS combatants who hadn't done some horrible atrocity like you think. [/quote] There are 1000s of guys working for IS, all for different reasons. Some will be fed up with life in the west so went for a new life of power and meritocracy in IS, some will be fed up with the Shia militias or Iraqi government, some want to overthrow Assad and see IS as the best means for that, some see it as a chance for an Islamic state, some might be fighting against their will. We see the actions of a few 100 bad guys and think that everyone in IS condones those activities I think the truth is more complicated with sub factions having their own rules of engagement and their own moral thresholds. Sure they're the bad guys and the world would be a better place without them but just because we see videos of a few of them being nobs doesn't mean they all support those actions.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46350639]He's right. Especially this There are 1000s of guys working for IS, all for different reasons. Some will be fed up with life in the west so went for a new life of power and meritocracy in IS, some will be fed up with the Shia militias or Iraqi government, some want to overthrow Assad and see IS as the best means for that, some see it as a chance for an Islamic state, some might be fighting against their will. We see the actions of a few 100 bad guys and think that everyone in IS condones those activities I think the truth is more complicated with sub factions having their own rules of engagement and their own moral thresholds. Sure they're the bad guys and the world would be a better place without them but just because we see videos of a few of them being nobs doesn't mean they all support those actions.[/QUOTE] You guys are acting like if a bunch of civilians came and asked them politely to leave they would have just given up and gone home. They're armed enemy combatants, and we used bombs to kill them so no one would potentially die to get them off the hill, I can't see a problem with this. Sure saying, "Mmmh they explodes good!" isn't called for, but I don't see how people can't feel good that there are less militants in that town.

[QUOTE=Bathtub;46342634]It's honestly a terrible title. Not only did they destroy a [I]lot[/I] more than just an ISIS flag, $132,000 is chump change to the US army and the bombs did exactly what they were supposed to do.[/QUOTE] thats kind of the point, this kind of thing happens all the time, meanwhile poverty is alive and barely kicking in mainland america.

[QUOTE=barrab;46351247]thats kind of the point, this kind of thing happens all the time, meanwhile poverty is alive and barely kicking in mainland america.[/QUOTE] So what you propose we cut all defense spending and let everyone else in the world handle themselves? It's not like we'd be giving that 132,000 to the homeless anyways.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46350429]Once again's I'd love to know how you managed to figure this out. In all likelihood, the guys on that hillside were nothing but IS combatants who hadn't done some horrible atrocity like you think. [/QUOTE] I dont agree with the people who celebrate killing, but you cant win a war if you act on the assumption that most of the enemy soldiers are innocent and shouldn't be killed. While I admit whether they had committed atrocities yet (or if they would have personally if allowed to live) cant be known. We cant use that as an excuse not to attack IS positions, because there are plenty of IS combatants that have and will continue to commit atrocities.

[QUOTE=imptastick;46354168]I dont agree with the people who celebrate killing, but you cant win a war if you act on the assumption that most of the enemy soldiers are innocent and shouldn't be killed. While I admit whether they had committed atrocities yet (or if they would have personally if allowed to live) cant be known. We cant use that as an excuse not to attack IS positions, because there are plenty of IS combatants that have and will continue to commit atrocities.[/QUOTE] Well I guess you didn't get it either. I am not unhappy that the guys on that hill were removed from it. I'll put my trust in the US military's decisions and if it was a necessary military goal to capture that hill, then it is a good thing because it will lead to the defeat of the IS (even though I'm against US intervention in this area right now, if it's going to happen then anything leading to the defeat of the IS is a good thing). However, saying "Let's hope they're crippled" is nothing but barbaric and sophomoric nonsense that doesn't help anyone or anything. I've heard dozens and dozens of statements like these made on Facepunch since the IS began its assault in northern Iraq, and unfortunately these opinions seem to garner more support than condemnation.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46354349]Well I guess you didn't get it either. I am not unhappy that the guys on that hill were removed from it. I'll put my trust in the US military's decisions and if it was a necessary military goal to capture that hill, then it is a good thing because it will lead to the defeat of the IS (even though I'm against US intervention in this area right now, if it's going to happen then anything leading to the defeat of the IS is a good thing). However, saying "Let's hope they're crippled" is nothing but barbaric and sophomoric nonsense that doesn't help anyone or anything. I've heard dozens and dozens of statements like these made on Facepunch since the IS began its assault in northern Iraq, and unfortunately these opinions seem to garner more support than condemnation.[/QUOTE] I personally don't care what happens to supporters, but going as far as wishing death or disability on them is just low imo.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46354349][b]However, saying "Let's hope they're crippled" is nothing but barbaric and sophomoric nonsense that doesn't help anyone or anything. I've heard dozens and dozens of statements like these made on Facepunch since the IS began its assault in northern Iraq, and unfortunately these opinions seem to garner more support than condemnation.[/b][/QUOTE] This. This SO much. Since IS started being posted about, FP was nonstop "They're less then human"; you know what they probably think? The same thing. That's what lets them justify massacring civilians (That and religion, but not the time nor place); to see people saying the exact same things that IS probably goes about saying, is rather disturbing. That the only difference between FP/"Civilized" people, and IS; isn't that we're rational about [i]why[/i] things are bad, but that we where simply brought up in a different part of the world that happens to condemn it, is extremely frustrating to see.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;46354904]This. This SO much. Since IS started being posted about, FP was nonstop "They're less then human"; you know what they probably think? The same thing. That's what lets them justify massacring civilians (That and religion, but not the time nor place); to see people saying the exact same things that IS probably goes about saying, is rather disturbing. That the only difference between FP/"Civilized" people, and IS; isn't that we're rational about [i]why[/i] things are bad, but that we where simply brought up in a different part of the world that happens to condemn it, is extremely frustrating to see.[/QUOTE] I usually just see people saying they're awful human beings or inhuman in the sense that they treat others inhumanely, a view I don't see a problem with. It doesn't matter if they think of us the way we think of them, we're not the ones going town to town beheading people and spreading fear and terror. They're just objectively bad people, and if they die while waging this war on everyone else that's no skin off my back.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46354349]Well I guess you didn't get it either. I am not unhappy that the guys on that hill were removed from it. I'll put my trust in the US military's decisions and if it was a necessary military goal to capture that hill, then it is a good thing because it will lead to the defeat of the IS (even though I'm against US intervention in this area right now, if it's going to happen then anything leading to the defeat of the IS is a good thing). However, saying "Let's hope they're crippled" is nothing but barbaric and sophomoric nonsense that doesn't help anyone or anything. I've heard dozens and dozens of statements like these made on Facepunch since the IS began its assault in northern Iraq, and unfortunately these opinions seem to garner more support than condemnation.[/QUOTE] I agree that people celebrating the deaths is wrong, even if I agree it was the right action. But I would argue it from the point of "Even the death of a really bad person shouldn't be celebrated" rather than "Maybe they are not as bad as you think" I think bringing up whether the people on that hill committed atrocities is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=plunger435;46355300]I usually just see people saying they're awful human beings or inhuman in the sense that they treat others inhumanely, a view I don't see a problem with. It doesn't matter if they think of us the way we think of them, we're not the ones going town to town beheading people and spreading fear and terror. They're just objectively bad people, and if they die while waging this war on everyone else that's no skin off my back.[/QUOTE] Objectively. Now that's a funny way to put things into perspective. But I won't bother trying to discuss it. People here seem to rate "agree" with stuff that dates back to foreign policy during the vietnam era and "dumb" with foreign policy that is more humanitarian. [QUOTE]So what you propose we cut all defense spending and let everyone else in the world handle themselves? It's not like we'd be giving that 132,000 to the homeless anyways. [/QUOTE] No, but with SOME, a LITTLE BIT of the 600 billion dollars the defence budget gets...you could fund a FREE network of tertiary education in the US...which would a fucking lot more to the world that bombing some shit hole that has been in the same situation for the past 50 years -read: war and instability- (and in which the US has had its share)

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46356340]Objectively. Now that's a funny way to put things into perspective. But I won't bother trying to discuss it. People here seem to rate "agree" with stuff that dates back to foreign policy during the vietnam era and "dumb" with foreign policy that is more humanitarian. No, but with SOME, a LITTLE BIT of the 600 billion dollars the defence budget gets...you could fund a FREE network of tertiary education in the US...which would a fucking lot more to the world that bombing some shit hole that has been in the same situation for the past 50 years -read: war and instability- (and in which the US has had its share)[/QUOTE] Your first reply says that I need to have a humanitarian view, and that IS aren't objectively bad, but then your second reply says the middle east is just some random shit hole that will never change, and that we should just leave them to kill each other off, who's being the humanitarian?

[QUOTE=plunger435;46356430]Your first reply says that I need to have a humanitarian view, and that IS aren't objectively bad, but then your second reply says the middle east is just some random shit hole that will never change, and that we should just leave them to kill each other off, who's being the humanitarian?[/QUOTE] I said: Would do a fucking lot more to the world. Don't leave them kill them each other off, just send the Kurds weapons, like you have been doing in the middle east for the past 50 years. And please, after all of this ends, be sure to ACTUALLY HELP the people there build a fucking nation. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46356478]I said: Would do a fucking lot more to the world. Don't leave them kill them each other off, just send the Kurds weapons, like you have been doing in the middle east for the past 50 years. And please, after all of this ends, be sure to ACTUALLY HELP the people there build a fucking nation. Thanks.[/QUOTE] Petition your own government. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46356478]I said: Would do a fucking lot more to the world. Don't leave them kill them each other off, just send the Kurds weapons, like you have been doing in the middle east for the past 50 years. And please, after all of this ends, be sure to ACTUALLY HELP the people there build a fucking nation. Thanks.[/QUOTE] So you don't want us to actually help with the war besides covertly supplying one faction, but you then [i]do[/i] want us to pick up the pieces after it goes down? Well it seems like no matter what we do we're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46350353]what I don't see how that lowly hilltop is (or was) an ideal position to fortify and defend? [editline]28th October 2014[/editline] If you want to see it out of curiosity and interest (and disgust to some extent) then knock yourself out. Just don't go jerking off to that shit you fucking hick.[/QUOTE] take it easy mothafucka no need to throw mean words at me, that really hurts me inside [editline]29th October 2014[/editline] explosions are you an ISIS member it's ok you can tell us

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46357404]take it easy mothafucka no need to throw mean words at me, that really hurts me inside [editline]29th October 2014[/editline] explosions are you an ISIS member it's ok you can tell us[/QUOTE] Yep I'm a full blown member of ISIS who shits on Islam on Facepunch in my spare time.

[QUOTE=plunger435;46355300]we're not the ones going town to town beheading people and spreading fear and terror. They're just objectively bad people, and if they die while waging this war on everyone else that's no skin off my back.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand, they think they're doing the right thing. You think the same thing. Why are YOU right? Why should western values be held over the ones IS holds? I ask these questions because they're a very capitol reasons for [i]why[/i] IS is bad. Do not attribute to malice, that which can be attributed to ignorance. So unless you think the middle east just happens to have a significantly higher amount of "genuinely" bad people being born there, and can provide evidence for that; then the whole outlook on the situation should be different. I'm not trying to defend what IS does, but it's painful to see the surface hypocrisy when most are fervently against IS. IS is an issue of education, at it's root at least; if we could (we can't, but hypothetically) get in there with education and rationality, it would be like removing the oxygen from a fire, it would snuff out the issue that is [del]religion[/del] religious extremism and genocide.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46357483]Yep I'm a full blown member of ISIS who shits on Islam on Facepunch in my spare time.[/QUOTE] for the record while I might have been pulling your chain I don't think you're a shitposter for trying to protect your opinion

-snip- I realise how dumb and ignorant that sounded... To be honest, I don't know what the situation is like in the Middle East right now, I don't know what the morale and the goal of the people joining IS is, all we hear in the media is IS slaughtering people like it's every day business...

[QUOTE=glitchvid;46357966]I don't think you understand, they think they're doing the right thing. You think the same thing. Why are YOU right? Why should western values be held over the ones IS holds? I ask these questions because they're a very capitol reasons for [i]why[/i] IS is bad. Do not attribute to malice, that which can be attributed to ignorance. So unless you think the middle east just happens to have a significantly higher amount of "genuinely" bad people being born there, and can provide evidence for that; then the whole outlook on the situation should be different. I'm not trying to defend what IS does, but it's painful to see the surface hypocrisy when most are fervently against IS. IS is an issue of education, at it's root at least; if we could (we can't, but hypothetically) get in there with education and rationality, it would be like removing the oxygen from a fire, it would snuff out the issue that is [del]religion[/del] religious extremism and genocide.[/QUOTE] So I'm supposed to believe that everyone in ISIS grew up learning beheadings aren't bad and that slaughtering whole villages is super dandy, and absolutely none of them are doing it for the pay or because they get power? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how this is just an issue of proper education. The Taliban were a failure of us to restructure the Middle East and I can understand that, but there's been numerous sources and reports that say these people aren't even in it for their religion or beliefs. Why do you think they keep ransoming all their hostages. Why do you think they pay their soldiers so much to do this stuff?

[QUOTE=En-Guage;46357404]take it easy mothafucka no need to throw mean words at me, that really hurts me inside[/QUOTE] Mean and mean words.. I'm sorry I hit where it hurt by calling you a hick. I was just confronting you about your post where you expressed excitement over people getting shot to hell; it's not that exciting, it's ugly. And it does make you a hick by watching "terrorists getting blown up" with a keen interest like yours. Now prove me that you're not a hick.

mate, I was being sarcastic what you think does not concern me all that much