The Official Inauguration of Donald J. Trump News Thread: Reality sets in Edition - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoobSauce;51700539]It also really helped that Obama is a decent human being who strived to be a competent leader.[/QUOTE] No No don't you see? People only liked him because he was black.

[QUOTE=Thlis;51700505]Can't help but feel people are intentionally not thinking about things. 1993 Bill Clinton - est 800,000 1997 Bill Clinton - est 250,000 2001 George W Bush - est 300,000 2005 George W Bush - est 400,000 2009 Barack Obama - est 1,800,000 2013 Barack Obama - est 1,000,000[/QUOTE] Does making America great again not include inauguration attendee headcount? And if so, can you tell us beforehand instead of finding excuses afterwards? Especially considering that the est. 250k is still the lowest first inauguration count ?

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51700488]If Trump actually cared about how Democracy works like he so claimed in the tweets. He should have stepped down once he learned that he won and didn't get the popular vote.[/QUOTE] Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.

Whenever someone starts off a post with the whole "it's [I]actually[/I] a republic" tirade my brain just turns off

[QUOTE=Overhauser;51700544]Does making America great again not include inauguration attendee headcount? And if so, can you tell us beforehand instead of finding excuses afterwards? Especially considering that the est. 250k is still the lowest first inauguration count ?[/QUOTE] I'd wait on the numbers for Trump but you are still technically wrong on that. The lowest first inauguration count is the first inauguration, Ronald Reagan 1981 at about 10,000.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] I was just showing the hypocrisy in what Trump was saying. He was complaining how Obama still won even though he didn't get the popular vote. Yet is perfectly alright for him to take office when he didn't get the popular vote. Regardless what you think of the Electoral College or if the US should be a Republic or a Democracy. Trump has shown that he disliked when the popular votes loses. If he actually cared about the system he would have stepped down because he didn't get the popular vote.

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[QUOTE=Judas;51700494]the electoral college has exclusivley benefited republicans[/QUOTE] DISREGARD THIS I SUCK COCKS

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] I am sorry but this is just wrong. When there are fewer republicans registered to vote and don't vote then the college should represent that and all of the other fluff in your post does not change that.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51700566]Whenever someone starts off a post with the whole "it's [I]actually[/I] a republic" tirade my brain just turns off[/QUOTE] That's a bad sign because it is a Republic.

[QUOTE=shotgun334;51700573]didn't obama get elected for his second term by way of electoral college? the public vote was for romney i mean the electoral college is still shit but[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/3ETfADa.png[/img] obama won by 5 million votes

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] And democrats in Texas don't vote either, what's your point? That's still a condemnation of the FPTP system the US uses anyway.

[QUOTE=Judas;51700586][img]http://i.imgur.com/3ETfADa.png[/img] obama won by 5 million votes[/QUOTE] yeah whoops

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51700523]oh boy[/QUOTE] I think anyone who thought there was no way for Trump to win after he took the Republican nomination were being foolish.

Really the reason people don't go out to vote is because they know their vote won't mean jack shit depending on the State. Democrat voices are not heard in Texas. Republican voices are not heard in California. Direct voting would actually mean that everyone's voices will be heard. It would encourage people to go out and vote since now one vote can make a difference instead of being wasted in a state that will always give all its electoral votes to a certain party.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://puu.sh/ttpBb/8c9f561546.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] Also why should a state whith more voters not also be represented more ? There is literally zero logical connection for what you are stating. Why should states with more votes not be represented equally? Why should a shift towards more democratic voters overall not be represented ? I just don't get it. The electoral college is there to prevent populist lying flip flopping demagogues from gathering the uneducated masses behind him, not to shift representation ratios between democrats and republicans. Well thanks to empty arguments like yours (it shoudl because I think it should) that worked wonders.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51700601]Really the reason people don't go out to vote is because they know their vote won't mean jack shit depending on the State. Democrat voices are not heard in Texas. Republican voices are not heard in California. Direct voting would actually mean that everyone's voices will be heard. It would encourage people to go out and vote since now one vote can make a difference instead of being wasted in a state that will always give all its electoral votes to a certain party.[/QUOTE] Or maybe just modernize the ancient electoral college system? Because there IS a need for an electoral college. Just that it's divided into states is absolutely idiotic.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550]Right, except the United States is actually republic not a democracy. Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton. One of the purposes of the electoral college is to not give one state too much power in an election. If it were a popular vote election, then Clinton would win, and the states that Trump flipped (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) wouldn't matter. He won those states because he obviously convinced them and connected to the voters to vote for him (plus a little of disliking Hillary). Flipping 3 usually solid dem states, in my opinion, is a big deal and shouldn't be overshadowed by a growing democratic voter base in 1 state.[/QUOTE] If the election was decided by popular vote, Republicans might actually bother to vote in California instead of staying home because their votes are irrelevant. And btw, Trump certainly didn't win voters over in swing states, he got no more votes in Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania than McCain or Romney. The difference was entirely down to reduced turnout for Hillary compared to Obama.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51700550] Hillary's popular vote lead stems primarily from California. She got more votes there than even Obama in 2012. Over the past 8 years registered democrats increased by over a million and registered republicans dropped by nearly half a million. That means that many republicans didn't even bother to vote in Cali because it's basically 100% guaranteed to be won by Clinton.[/QUOTE] This problem is directly caused by continuing to use the electoral college, an outdated and inefficient means at judging who America wants to represent them on the global stage. If you got rid of the college you would get rid of the idea that only a handful of states "matter" with the rest being solid Democrat/Republican enclaves. Republicans could vote for Trump in California instead of either staying at home or voting and having their vote count for nothing. There is no argument for the electoral college. If it doesn't accurately measure the democratic will of the people and it doesn't serve as a bulwark against inexperienced populist candidates then it should be scrapped.

i know a lot of people who didnt vote because they feel their vote doesnt matter because of the EC. this election has probably only reaffirmed their thoughts on the matter

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;51700656]i know a lot of people who didnt vote before they feel their vote doesnt matter because of the EC. this election has probably only reaffirmed their thoughts on the matter[/QUOTE] There were posts on FP from both Trump and Clinton supporters saying that they voted for their respective candidate even if it didn't matter because they lived in California or Texas respectively.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51700662]There were posts on FP from both Trump and Clinton supporters saying that they voted for their respective candidate even if it didn't matter because they lived in California or Texas respectively.[/QUOTE] thats great. i dont think thats what happened here in michigan.

hopefully in 2020 people will realize that nothing is set in stone and states that people assumed are garunteed to go red/blue can be switched with enough effort

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51700201] Holy shit, KillRay are you actually throwing rocks at police What the fuck are you doing?[/QUOTE] Sorry for the late reply I got caught in one of the fires I started and now I'm in the hospital. No. [editline]20th January 2017[/editline] Or maybe I really did and I'm making sure the mods won't report me?

[QUOTE=KillRay;51700703]Sorry for the late reply I got caught in one of the fires I started and now I'm in the hospital. No. [editline]20th January 2017[/editline] Or maybe I really did and I'm making sure the mods won't report me?[/QUOTE] Oh, shit, KillRay. You alright now? Well, I mean, no, you're in the hospital. But like, damn, glad you're safe now

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51700720]Oh, shit, KillRay. You alright now? Well, I mean, no, you're in the hospital. But like, damn, glad you're safe now[/QUOTE] I love facepunch

I told you boys. Hope you get better though Killray

I can't believe my boy KillRay is fucking dying

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