The Official Inauguration of Donald J. Trump News Thread: Reality sets in Edition - Polidicks

[QUOTE=1239the;51702440]Decking a fascist is not fascism.[/QUOTE] Honestly as an ex Australian i think you would be a bit more intelligent in such matters, Remember all the random punching's leading to peoples deaths... [B] Show me more than 3 instances[/B] in the last year of fascists (trump supporters) being violent.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51702739]By your dumbfuck logic lets go into the mosques after people that tweet support for ISIS and bash em with bats What Spencer is doing is A-OK in this country What you are doing is illegal Until he tells his followers to go out and physically do shit, he's perfectly within his right to say whatever the fuck he wants. Even if he crosses the line you still have zero right to assault them. I'd love to see your defense in a court of law after you assault someone you don't agree with. B-b-but self defense and my feelings waaah. Grow up kid.[/QUOTE] Good thing the government does its job when it comes to ISIS and cracks down on supporters. That's not stupid at all, they should be cracked down on. They're enemies of our country, of Western civilization and democracy, and they're fucking religious terrorists who have slaughtered tens of thousands of people in the Middle East. If the government didn't do anything about them, then it might be a different story. But they do, so there's no issue here. Again, I really don't give a shit how anybody feels about this and its acceptability. This is what's going to happen: he's going to keep doing this, he's going to keep pissing people off, eventually someone's going to do something about it. If he doesn't wind up going to jail or prison, as has already been threatened as far as Europe goes (he's been banned from more than 20 countries over there), then he's probably going to be attacked again. This time it was a punch. Perhaps should he reevaluate his position and ask himself, "Gee, is it acceptable for me to call for the ethnic cleansing of tens of millions of Americans because of their skincolor? Is it acceptable for me to call those same Americans 'inferior' because of how they look? Should I allow myself and my supporters to behave and use the exact same rhetoric as the Nazis historically did?" Or don't, in which case don't be surprised when the consequences for it start cropping up. I don't care. It's not my problem. I don't believe that certain people are inferior for how they look, I don't think entire races should be ethnically cleansed because we need a white America, and I try to be a decent person to others-- unlike him. I can't help but think of Rockwell's father, who said when he learned of his son's death, [url=https://web.archive.org/web/20101029120830/http://downeast.com/magazine/2008/august/rogues-rascals-villains]"I'm not surprised at all. I've expected it for quite some time."[/url] That's sad. There's no need for any of this shit to be happening, yet here we are. It needs to be clearly understood however that the people reacting to him are not the primary issue, he is. He's the one causing trouble in the first place. Nobody should be surprised when others react to it; it's perfectly natural and understandable. [editline]21st January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=soulharvester;51702747]So when does it become morally acceptable to execute lena dunham then?[/QUOTE] Who?

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51702776]Honestly as an ex Australian i think you would be a bit more intelligent in such matters, Remember all the random punching's leading to peoples deaths... [B] Show me more than 3 instances[/B] in the last year of fascists (trump supporters) being violent.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html[/url]

There's no way violence is necessary I think any violence from the left strengthens the administration of trump.

[QUOTE=Judas;51702838][url]https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html[/url][/QUOTE] Or for a few videos, though I hate both sources (Young Turks and RT) so you may take them with a grain of salt [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZS3brhzwEI[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdXRfbTiH4[/url]

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51702627]The blatant hypocrisies of Leftists, and in this case I do exclusively mean 'those to the left' are on full display in this thread to an extent and depth which surprises me. When '[B]you[/B]' strike a political opponent across the face, it's for freedom. When '[B]they[/B]' strike a political opponent across the face, it's a sign of systemic oppression. When '[B]you[/B]' make a joke at the expense of the family, appearance or disabilities of the enemy, it's in 'good humor.' When '[B]they[/B]' make a joke at the expense of the family, appearance or disabilities of the enemy, it's their revealing of their true, insidious nature. When '[B]you[/B]' pass ethically questionable bills through legislature, it's for the greater good, and would never be abused. When '[B]they[/B] pass ethically questionable bills through legislature, it's a powerplay, that [I]must[/I] be abused.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Anderan;51702662]This is not exclusively a leftist thing and you know it.[/QUOTE] Better add When 'you' make a bad post about how "EXCLUSIVELY" the other side sucks, it's a bad post. When 'they' make a bad post about how "EXCLUSIVELY" the other side sucks, it's a bad post. Like seriously, instead of blaming left vs. right, blame the extremist ends of the spectrum. The right is fine, the left is fine. You just need to worry about the damn edges.

[QUOTE=Judas;51702838][url]https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html[/url][/QUOTE] Said [B]this year man [/B], Multiple examples of trump supporters being oppressed all over this forum atm.

Because the nazi punching event is leaking into this thread, I want to cross-post my response for all the people excusing the assault as some kind of necessary evil. "Please guys just hear me out; the advocating of violence here hurts me and I want to explain why. I never expected I would have to defend a nazi, but what surprised me more is who I would be defending the nazi from. A new age of tolerance and understanding my ass. I want to make something very clear because apparently some people have this confused. Tolerance towards someones beliefs and tolerance towards someones actions. What some of you propose is intolerance towards someones beliefs, which I find disgusting. Yes, he is a nazi. And yes, his beliefs are revolting, backwards and worthy of more than scrutiny. But to not be tolerant towards those beliefs is hypocritical of us and unproductive in the grand scheme of things. Believe me, if he acted on those beliefs and actually started killing people or subjugating a race I would be up there with you, shoving a pitchfork up his ass, but the fact is that he is not. He is a holder of beliefs and only beliefs. It is reasonable to be intolerant of someones actions, because those directly and irreversibly effect people, I am talking about violence, and in that case it would only be right to harm him in defense of others. But what I see here is intolerance of beliefs and thoughts, and again, that is unacceptable in the same way that his views are. So I am not harming you, I am talking to you in an attempt to convince you. Take a note. When someone has beliefs such as his, you have two options: 1. Curb-stomp him, kill him, send him to a camp, beat him, whatever you want because obviously he is subhuman and unworthy of compassion. -or- 2. Listen to him, hear why he believes what he believes, explain what you think, continue the conversation and work like hell to come to an understanding. When you opt for violence towards someone who thinks differently than you, congratulations, you are the textbook definition of bigoted. You have not convinced him, you have not changed his mind, you have not given him a chance. I think this is a saddening failure and I expect we can do better. Believe it or not, nazis are humans too. Shitty humans, but still humans. They have families and a childhood and dreams and aspirations. When the nazis lost, did we put them in death camps because "lol, an eye for an eye" or execute them in swathes indiscriminately? No, we took the high road BECAUSE WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. We gave them a fair trial and some were executed, some were put in prison. If someone can be convinced to become a nazi, then someone can be convinced to relinquish those beliefs. And if we have the chance to try to help them understand why what they are doing is wrong then we have an obligation to. Until they begin killing, until they begin harming, we are no better than them by disregarding their basic humanity and treating them like trash. I though we were better than this."

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51702874]Said [B]this year man [/B], Multiple examples of trump supporters being oppressed all over this forum atm.[/QUOTE] You said "in the last year", not "this year".

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51702875]Because the nazi punching event is leaking into this thread, I want to cross-post my response for all the people excusing the assault as some kind of necessary evil. "Please guys just hear me out; the advocating of violence here hurts me and I want to explain why. I never expected I would have to defend a nazi, but what surprised me more is who I would be defending the nazi from. A new age of tolerance and understanding my ass. I want to make something very clear because apparently some people have this confused. Tolerance towards someones beliefs and tolerance towards someones actions. What some of you propose is intolerance towards someones beliefs, which I find disgusting. Yes, he is a nazi. And yes, his beliefs are revolting, backwards and worthy of more than scrutiny. But to not be tolerant towards those beliefs is hypocritical of us and unproductive in the grand scheme of things. Believe me, if he acted on those beliefs and actually started killing people or subjugating a race I would be up there with you, shoving a pitchfork up his ass, but the fact is that he is not. He is a holder of beliefs and only beliefs. It is reasonable to be intolerant of someones actions, because those directly and irreversibly effect people, I am talking about violence, and in that case it would only be right to harm him in defense of others. But what I see here is intolerance of beliefs and thoughts, and again, that is unacceptable in the same way that his views are. So I am not harming you, I am talking to you in an attempt to convince you. Take a note. When someone has beliefs such as his, you have two options: 1. Curb-stomp him, kill him, send him to a camp, beat him, whatever you want because obviously he is subhuman and unworthy of compassion. -or- 2. Listen to him, hear why he believes what he believes, explain what you think, continue the conversation and work like hell to come to an understanding. When you opt for violence towards someone who thinks differently than you, congratulations, you are the textbook definition of bigoted. You have not convinced him, you have not changed his mind, you have not given him a chance. I think this is a saddening failure and I expect we can do better. Believe it or not, nazis are humans too. Shitty humans, but still humans. They have families and a childhood and dreams and aspirations. When the nazis lost, did we put them in death camps because "lol, an eye for an eye" or execute them in swathes indiscriminately? No, we took the high road BECAUSE WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. We gave them a fair trial and some were executed, some were put in prison. If someone can be convinced to become a nazi, then someone can be convinced to relinquish those beliefs. And if we have the chance to try to help them understand why what they are doing is wrong then we have an obligation to. Until they begin killing, until they begin harming, we are no better than them by disregarding their basic humanity and treating them like trash. I though we were better than this."[/QUOTE] Exactly :smile:

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51702875]Because the nazi punching event is leaking into this thread, I want to cross-post my response for all the people excusing the assault as some kind of necessary evil. "Please guys just hear me out; the advocating of violence here hurts me and I want to explain why. I never expected I would have to defend a nazi, but what surprised me more is who I would be defending the nazi from. A new age of tolerance and understanding my ass. I want to make something very clear because apparently some people have this confused. Tolerance towards someones beliefs and tolerance towards someones actions. What some of you propose is intolerance towards someones beliefs, which I find disgusting. Yes, he is a nazi. And yes, his beliefs are revolting, backwards and worthy of more than scrutiny. But to not be tolerant towards those beliefs is hypocritical of us and unproductive in the grand scheme of things. Believe me, if he acted on those beliefs and actually started killing people or subjugating a race I would be up there with you, shoving a pitchfork up his ass, but the fact is that he is not. He is a holder of beliefs and only beliefs. It is reasonable to be intolerant of someones actions, because those directly and irreversibly effect people, I am talking about violence, and in that case it would only be right to harm him in defense of others. But what I see here is intolerance of beliefs and thoughts, and again, that is unacceptable in the same way that his views are. So I am not harming you, I am talking to you in an attempt to convince you. Take a note. When someone has beliefs such as his, you have two options: 1. Curb-stomp him, kill him, send him to a camp, beat him, whatever you want because obviously he is subhuman and unworthy of compassion. -or- 2. Listen to him, hear why he believes what he believes, explain what you think, continue the conversation and work like hell to come to an understanding. When you opt for violence towards someone who thinks differently than you, congratulations, you are the textbook definition of bigoted. You have not convinced him, you have not changed his mind, you have not given him a chance. I think this is a saddening failure and I expect we can do better. Believe it or not, nazis are humans too. Shitty humans, but still humans. They have families and a childhood and dreams and aspirations. When the nazis lost, did we put them in death camps because "lol, an eye for an eye" or execute them in swathes indiscriminately? No, we took the high road BECAUSE WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. We gave them a fair trial and some were executed, some were put in prison. If someone can be convinced to become a nazi, then someone can be convinced to relinquish those beliefs. And if we have the chance to try to help them understand why what they are doing is wrong then we have an obligation to. Until they begin killing, until they begin harming, we are no better than them by disregarding their basic humanity and treating them like trash. I though we were better than this."[/QUOTE] you realize there is no "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", right? no one should have to "debate" if they should be allowed to fucking live, especially with a neo nazi

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51702776]Honestly as an ex Australian i think you would be a bit more intelligent in such matters, Remember all the random punching's leading to peoples deaths... [B] Show me more than 3 instances[/B] in the last year of fascists (trump supporters) being violent.[/QUOTE] why? who are you to demand anything, and why should anyone care?

[QUOTE=Judas;51702912]you realize there is no "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", right? no one should have to "debate" if they should be allowed to fucking live, especially with a neo nazi[/QUOTE] Still doesn't excuse punching him. What you need for neo nazis and trump supporters, just like flat earthers and climate change denialists is to minimize their impact on normal people. [editline]21st January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Evanstr;51702776]Honestly as an ex Australian i think you would be a bit more intelligent in such matters, Remember all the random punching's leading to peoples deaths... [B] Show me more than 3 instances[/B] in the last year of fascists (trump supporters) being violent.[/QUOTE] [url]http://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/[/url]

[QUOTE=Judas;51702912]you realize there is no "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", right? no one should have to "debate" if they should be allowed to fucking live, especially with a neo nazi[/QUOTE] And if they go around killing people, then a violent response would be justified. UNTIL THEN, peaceful discussion should be the priority. As far as I am concerned, going around killing peaceful (yes, peaceful, as they haven't done anything yet) neo-nazis with no remorse is just as vile and despicable as nazis killing any other group. If we have the opportunity to take the high road, we should. Otherwise we are no better than them. And yes, there is "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", but you seem too self righteous and superior to even try to discuss with someone you disagree with. You seem to be ignoring my message because your hate blinds you. You are expressing the same intolerance that makes nazis so terrible. Nazis are still humans and deserve to be argued with before harmed.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51702920]And yes, there is "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", but you seem too self righteous and superior to even try to discuss with someone you disagree with. You seem to be ignoring my message because your hate blinds you. You are expressing the same intolerance that makes nazis so terrible. Nazis are still humans and deserve to be argued with before harmed.[/QUOTE] I can't agree with this more. ...It's so strange to me how in cases like this where people have a disagreeable ideology but are generally peaceful, many far leftists use this holier than thou attitude that lumps most people who they disagree with into the catergory of basically complete villany and lack of humanity. Meanwhile with the same breath they'll defend Islam to the death and deny that there are any problems associated with it all the while muslim extremists commit acts of terrorism regularly world-wide. It just comes off as so cherry picked and black/white. The truth is life is full of nuances and they are often very significant and important.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;51702916]Still doesn't excuse punching him. What you need for neo nazis and trump supporters, just like flat earthers and climate change denialists is to minimize their impact on normal people. [editline]21st January 2017[/editline] [url]http://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/[/url][/QUOTE] Frankly, there's a few hoaxes I've noticed, (some even being on the map) such as [QUOTE]Muslim college student assaulted by Donald Trump Supporter in the subway[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/manhattan-yasmin-seweid-false-hate-crime.html[/url] [QUOTE]Black Church burned down and sprayed with "Vote Trump"[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/22/miss-black-church-fire-another-highly-publicized-suspected-hate-crime-debunked-police-say/[/url] [QUOTE]Louisiana Muslim Student getting attacked[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/10/women-in-hijabs-on-2-campuses-say-they-were-attacked-by-men-invoking-donald-trump/[/url]

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51703076]Frankly, there's a few hoaxes I've noticed, (some even being on the map) such as [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/nyregion/manhattan-yasmin-seweid-false-hate-crime.html[/url] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/22/miss-black-church-fire-another-highly-publicized-suspected-hate-crime-debunked-police-say/[/url] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/10/women-in-hijabs-on-2-campuses-say-they-were-attacked-by-men-invoking-donald-trump/[/url][/QUOTE] There's a hundred tags there for people to choose from. If they were all or even 20+% fake then I'd agree.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;51702916][URL]http://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah, this is actual fake news. Every single one I've looked at was either he said, she said accusations or proven false.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51703087]Yeah, this is actual fake news. Every single one I've looked at was either he said, she said accusations or proven false.[/QUOTE] Even the Chicago Tribune, Nytimes and huffpost articles? I mean this isn't just he said she said, they link to their sources at the bottom of each tag.

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51702776]Honestly as an ex Australian i think you would be a bit more intelligent in such matters, Remember all the random punching's leading to peoples deaths... [B] Show me more than 3 instances[/B] in the last year of fascists (trump supporters) being violent.[/QUOTE] un: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU[/url] dos: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmRBBEdxm8[/url] tres: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporter-punches-protester-face-n-rally-article-1.2789458[/url] cuatro: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47NYUbtYb0[/url] Violence is not limited to one ideology. This shouldn't have to be proven.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51703111]un: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU[/url] dos: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmRBBEdxm8[/url] tres: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporter-punches-protester-face-n-rally-article-1.2789458[/url] cuatro: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47NYUbtYb0[/url] Violence is not limited to one ideology. This shouldn't have to be proven.[/QUOTE] All proved to have been paid by Hillary supporters and notice how these are all at Trump rallys.

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51703133]All proved to have been paid by Hillary supporters and notice how these are all at Trump rallys.[/QUOTE] That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;51703141]That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.[/QUOTE] Sure [video=youtube;5IuJGHuIkzY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY[/video]

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51703133]All proved to have been paid by Hillary supporters and notice how these are all at Trump rallys.[/QUOTE] Oh Jesus Christ. Apparently everyone is on someone's payroll according to trump supporters.

[QUOTE=Evanstr;51703146]Sure [video=youtube;5IuJGHuIkzY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY[/video][/QUOTE] So this proves that ALL of them were paid shills? If anything, using footage prom Project Veritas shows how you are either naive and out of touch, or willfully ignorant.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51702861]Better add When 'you' make a bad post about how "EXCLUSIVELY" the other side sucks, it's a bad post. When 'they' make a bad post about how "EXCLUSIVELY" the other side sucks, it's a bad post. Like seriously, instead of blaming left vs. right, blame the extremist ends of the spectrum. The right is fine, the left is fine. You just need to worry about the damn edges.[/QUOTE] Most of the points ivan made apply to moderates. If all of that was only the edges none of it would be a problem. [editline]21st January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Judas;51702912]you realize there is no "listening to what he says and coming to an understanding", right? no one should have to "debate" if they should be allowed to fucking live, especially with a neo nazi[/QUOTE] You argue against conversation and understanding and argue against peaceful communication. If you want to live in a modern society and not be removed from it you will need to learn to be peaceful when disagreeing with other members of society. If those other members of society, who are still peaceful at the time, are advocating for a return to violence, do not oblige them and make it their victory. Those who advocate violence against ideological opponents exist as a regressive force, looking to pull us back to street lynchings and mob justice. I consider them on the same level as a neo nazi, perhaps even more insidious as there isn't such an easy and well known symbol as hitler to negatively associate them with.

[QUOTE=da space core;51701788]I feel like I heard this story before[/QUOTE] Oh man, good one. Fucking goldstar! Maybe I should venture into politics?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51703247]Oh man, good one. Fucking goldstar! Maybe I should venture into politics?[/QUOTE] Please don't ever do that. Trump is bad enough. edit I mean ovbiously you have the right to do so, but for the sake of humanity I hope you don't

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51703111]un: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LX4Q643aEU[/URL] dos: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmRBBEdxm8[/URL] tres: [URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporter-punches-protester-face-n-rally-article-1.2789458[/URL] cuatro: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47NYUbtYb0[/URL] Violence is not limited to one ideology. This shouldn't have to be proven.[/QUOTE] Ideology is a very specific and weighty word, don't throw it around to mean "political ideas". It actually means one all encompassing set of principals/ideas that describes and governs every facet of society and human behavior, and breaks it down into the fewest constituent details as possible, leaving no room for competing or alternative ideas. Things like communism, fascism, nazism, 3rd wave feminism, to a point the fundie libertarian point of view etc. All are ideologies because they boil society down to a few key virtues and antagonizing factors to the direct exclusion of all else. And you can do the same with otherwise valid idea or concepts, which is what makes you an ideologue. People like conspiracy theorists or social constructionists are ideologues, because they ascribe all phenomena to goverment or any powerful entities conniving, and not say personal agendas or simply chaos, and all human behavior to social constructs, excluding any other factors like biological nature or environmental factors respectively. And denying those other factors and explaining the totality of all human behavior as products of social constructs is what makes social constructionists ideologues. Liberalism or conservatism aren't by definition ideologies because they're a set of open ended principals one believes in which can be argued, shaped and formed by events and are compatible with contrary opinions or ideas.

[QUOTE=Judas;51700051]hitler killed his dogs[/QUOTE] He faked their death. I'm slightly bemused by the hitler comparisons.