First charges filed in Mueller investigation - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Shirky;52829210]What stops Trump from pardoning anyone found guilty?[/QUOTE] Congress wouldn't be able to stand by without massive riots

Wow, Christmas really does come earlier every year

We'll see what happens.

[QUOTE=Potus;52829266]If that does happen then holy shit the public reaction will be unreal[/QUOTE] yeah for a couple weeks, then it will fade into the back of our minds like human piece of trash joe arpaio, who is chasing a new position of power as either governor of az or in a position under trump.

[QUOTE=Shirky;52829210]What stops Trump from pardoning anyone found guilty?[/QUOTE] Apparently Mueller is filing charges at the state level, Trump can only pardon federal crimes

We heard that they told Manafort he was gonna be indicted so anything else would be a surprise. It'll be interesting to see if the charges against him offer any other clues.

Run, you fucking cockroaches

Manafucked.

[media]https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/924107136115896320[/media] Other sources are confirming too. :rock:

Any official confirmation on the identity of the soon-to-be defendant?

Hopefully this means a fun next couple of months as all the dominoes start falling.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52829611]Any official confirmation on the identity of the soon-to-be defendant?[/QUOTE] I doubt they will let that lid up on that until it's a "now defendant".

This is happening sooner than I thought And yet it isn't nearly soon enough

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52829617]I doubt they will let that lid up on that until it's a "now defendant".[/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity, what difference would it make if anyone knew right now?

[QUOTE=dai;52829353][t]https://i.imgur.com/sjmKQqd.png[/t] man I always wonder if he ever sees this shit[/QUOTE] There have been a few times where Trump retweeted users (usually Russian trolls/bots) who were replying to one of his own tweets. A notable example is from a few weeks ago(?) where he went on that retweeting spree, including a user whose username was a pun/play on words or something of "Fucked Up Mind".

Not holding my breath tbh since I've put wayyy too much stock in being optimistic about these things. And as much as I'd like to see Trump and Cump out of the WH, I doubt it would end with anything but immense riots and civil unrest for months until things settled.

The amount of projecting, gas-lighting, and just complete disconnect with reality coming from the right right now is mind boggling. It's always been bad but wow, and this is just beginning.

Your honor, I'd like to plead 'fake news'

[QUOTE=Quark:;52829623]Just out of curiosity, what difference would it make if anyone knew right now?[/QUOTE] Probably wouldn't be able to flee the country, but there is a serious chance that the person in question could destroy incriminating evidence for himself or others.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52829760]Your honor, I'd like to plead 'fake news'[/QUOTE] One year ago I would have laughed at that, now, I know some would actually do that, if they could.

This could be a bit of a chess move on Mueller's part to bait out a pardon. Accepting a pardon counts as admitting guilt, which could in turn be used in a different but related charge at the state level, which can't be pardoned. Who knows. Should be interesting. Watch for pardons and/or firing of Mueller in the coming days. The twitter rage should be great. Edit: [QUOTE=neogrotesque;52829435]Apparently Mueller is filing charges at the state level, Trump can only pardon federal crimes[/QUOTE] Wait, can he do that? If so... that's interesting.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52829770]Probably wouldn't be able to flee the country, but there is a serious chance that the person in question could destroy incriminating evidence for himself or others.[/QUOTE] I would be surprised if they hadn't been doing this since Mueller's appointment. I mean, it would have practically been advance warning, wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;52829897]I would be surprised if they hadn't been doing this since Mueller's appointment. I mean, it would have practically been advance warning, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] Never underestimate the stupidity of people, [I]especially[/I] the stupidity of people in government. They may think some things are not incriminating if they are not under the watch, or they may get cocky and believe the age old adage, "It would never happen to me". [editline]28th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;52829876]This could be a bit of a chess move on Mueller's part to bait out a pardon. Accepting a pardon counts as admitting guilt, which could in turn be used in a different but related charge at the state level, which can't be pardoned. Who knows. Should be interesting. Watch for pardons and/or firing of Mueller in the coming days. The twitter rage should be great. Edit: Wait, can he do that? If so... that's interesting.[/QUOTE] I don't really see the point of baiting them out to prove them guilty if they automatically become immune to prison and sentencing. Pardons aren't meant to be used that way anyway, it would just be yet another abuse of power by Trump.

I suppose you could angle it as an Obstruction of Justice itself? That said, if Mueller goes after someone small first - which he might and which the GOP will shit itself jumping up and down going 'haha nothingburger nothingburger' if and when he does because their paycheck [I]depends on it[/I] - because that's been his Modus Operandi so far, he could be doing so specifically to ensure that all the ducks are in a row and to show the President he means business - and to maybe get others to flip. A 'trial run' of Presidential Pardons vs. the Mueller Trap before he starts hunting "big game". His (Mueller's) big deal is getting people to flip on each other. He'll go after wives, he'll go after daughters. He might go after Ivanka when he's aiming for Trump. This is the man who was part of bringing down Enron, mind. He's used to playing ball with very large and very powerful organizations. If it was some random lawyer doing this, I'd be worried. If Mueller's doing this, I'm certain it's for a compelling reason, and I bet it's to cause people to flip on each other or implicate themselves. Edit: If I were to guess his endgame with my foggy crystal ball, I'd say Mueller's ideal checkmate is to arrive at indictments against Trump with a literal army of witnesses and flipped confidants, having already saber-battled with the President to find his range in executive powers, and to deliver a conclusion not only built on thousands of pages of evidence but with hundreds of voices that were close to Trump all backing his play. That way, he (1) can't be dismissed as having 'an agenda' (2) knows where he can strike to wound and (3) give no quarter to his Defense as well as to set the table for America in what will surely be one of the most watched pieces of televised history in the past two hundred years. If I were going to indict the King, I'd make my case so tight and my delivery so precise and my evidence and witnesses so damning that even the opening statement would bring the trial to near-completion.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52830462] Edit: If I were to guess his endgame with my foggy crystal ball, I'd say Mueller's ideal checkmate is to arrive at indictments against Trump with a literal army of witnesses and flipped confidants, having already saber-battled with the President to find his range in executive powers, and to deliver a conclusion not only built on thousands of pages of evidence but with hundreds of voices that were close to Trump all backing his play. That way, he (1) can't be dismissed as having 'an agenda' (2) knows where he can strike to wound and (3) give no quarter to his Defense as well as to set the table for America in what will surely be one of the most watched pieces of televised history in the past two hundred years. If I were going to indict the King, I'd make my case so tight and my delivery so precise and my evidence and witnesses so damning that even the opening statement would bring the trial to near-completion.[/QUOTE] God, I hope this is what happens. It would be like a glass of water in the hellscape that is 2017.

Hearing rumors that it could be Sessions, since Dana Beonte resigned yesterday.

[QUOTE=mcharest;52830512]Hearing rumors that it could be Sessions, since Dana Beonte resigned yesterday.[/QUOTE] Which could also mean that, rather than it being Sessions, Beonte is being called as a witness. He was the one Comey reported to about Trump's 'inappropriate phone calls' after all (and has had his fingers in [I]a lot[/I] of pies since the Trump-admin landed). Boente also said two days ago that he was looking forward to 'getting back to work doing the job he signed on to do' according to MSNBC's investigation into it - not to say that that's definitively the reason.

Man, the suspense is killing me. Who is it, and what are the actual charges? Are they strictly financial crimes, or other secondary crimes discovered as a result of digging into this character (or characters), or are the charges actually related to the specific aims of Meuller's investigation into Russian collusion? Also: how many people? Nothing in what we know says only one person is being charged. We could be looking at sweep, with several different people arrested.

me: "oh cool mueller has filed charges and an arrest is gonna happen by monday, wonder who it could be" man knocking on my door: "open up its the police" me: "well im disappointed, but not surprised"

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52829755]The amount of projecting, gas-lighting, and just complete disconnect with reality coming from the right right now is mind boggling. It's always been bad but wow, and this is just beginning.[/QUOTE] Right? I see all sorts of posts that suggest that they honestly want to believe that the person being charged is Clinton. :rolleyes: