Researchers at the United States Holocaust Museum claim that 15-20 million people died in the Holoca
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[QUOTE=overpain;39774388](it was made by jew so you can't say it is biased)[/QUOTE]
we dont even get an "a" on this dang forum
[QUOTE=overpain;39774388]So I guess the history is written by the victors.[/QUOTE]
what did we win?
[QUOTE=thisispain;39777598]we dont even get an "a" on this dang forum
what did we win?[/QUOTE]
The war. And presumably the right to write the history.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;39777630]The war. And presumably the right to write the history.[/QUOTE]
yeah i think he was implying that jews rewrote history because they "won"
which is weird because jewish people just died a lot in WW2, that's not much of a win
I read the article a few times, but did they explicitly say the figure was only Jews? 20 million would be more than twice the number of Jews that were living in Europe in the 1930s.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39769486]Where are the gas-chambers? Where are the trenches stacked to the brim with the dead? Where are the children being given a piece of candy before they are sent to be burned alive in the ovens?
There will always be evil in this world. It is inevitable. But no evil that is equal to that of the holocaust.[/QUOTE]
I think the japanese treatment of the chinese during WW2 is even worse at some points
So are we going to have to revise the SI unit of Hitlers now?
What was once 1 megahitler may now be less
[QUOTE=aydin690;39774272]Sorry, not buying it. There weren't even 20 million jews in world back then. Heck, there are only about 13.5 million jews right now.
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The initial soviet estimates were close to 2M.[/QUOTE]
You do realize Jews weren't the only people killed during the holocaust?
[QUOTE=tr00per7;39775215]That's terrible.
We should give a [B]homeland for the gypsies[/B], Gays and Mentally/Physically disabled people each![/QUOTE]
Romania doesn't count?
[QUOTE=tr00per7;39775215]That's terrible.
We should give a homeland for the gypsies, Gays and Mentally/Physically disabled people each![/QUOTE]
Exists, and not an ethnic minority, respectively
[QUOTE=tr00per7;39775215]That's terrible.
We should give a homeland for the gypsies, [b][u]Gays[/u][/b] and Mentally/Physically disabled people each![/QUOTE]
Count me in!
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;39777581]people need to stop generalizing 4chan.
it's not a hive of idiots and teenagers thinking they're cool for posting there, and thinking that is just like thinking everyone on 4chan is a part of "anonymous".
most of the idiots stay in /pol/ and /b/, and sometimes they go to other boards, but they're banned quickly.
I hate to bring this up, though.[/QUOTE]
There are respectable boards on 4chan, but they are the minority. It HAS become a hive full of idiots and teenagers, its a mainstream site now. What do you expect?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;39780105]Count me in!
There are respectable boards on 4chan, but they are the minority. It HAS become a hive full of idiots and teenagers, its a mainstream site now. What do you expect?[/QUOTE]
I thought your ancestral homeland was San Fransisco?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39780155]I thought your ancestral homeland was San Fransisco?[/QUOTE]
But an entire country would be kick-ass
[sp]and also allow me to get married[/sp]
[QUOTE=Blazyd;39780004]You do realize Jews weren't the only people killed during the holocaust?[/QUOTE]
holocaust only refers to the killings of Jews in WW2, it sadly does not include everyone else who was killed in similar manners.
[QUOTE=Lamar;39780209]holocaust only refers to the killings of Jews in WW2, it sadly does not include everyone else who was killed in similar manners.[/QUOTE]
What?
The holocaust by its historical definition is the genocide of all undesired minorities during the Nazi regime, not just the Jews.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;39780234]What?
The holocaust by its historical definition is the genocide of all undesired minorities during the Nazi regime, not just the Jews.[/QUOTE]
The definitions I've seen say its just the Jews,
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust[/url]
[QUOTE=Lamar;39780376]The definitions I've seen say its just the Jews,
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust[/url][/QUOTE]
It says it right in the opening section:
[quote=Wikipedia]Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition, and some use the common noun "holocaust" to describe other Nazi mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals. Recent estimates based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union indicates some ten to eleven million civilians and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the Nazi regime.[/quote]
Makes sense stuff like this would go unfound, the Nazi's demolished entire camps as the allies moved in and burned loads of paperwork to keep it all secret. There's a hell of a lot we probably don't know about that regime.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39780838]It says it right in the opening section:[/QUOTE]
and note that is not the mainstream definition as that section opens up with "Some scholars argue that...". That is implying those people don't hold the mainstream definition. The article itself opens up as
[quote]The Holocaust was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II[/quote]
Really hate it when posters try to pull zingers when they are dead wrong about something.
In my book, holocaust refers to any imprisonment and systematic experimentation/enslavement/killing at the hands of the Nazis of anyone who was a noncombatant to begin with. Why should it just be the jews?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;39783290]In my book, holocaust refers to any imprisonment and systematic experimentation/enslavement/killing at the hands of the Nazis of anyone who was a noncombatant to begin with. Why should it just be the jews?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it should just include them, but thats just how it is often defined. Hell, even the US Holocaust Museum defines it as that, which is why I brought up my earlier point in the first place
I think this is the saddest posts I've ever read......coming from a Jew.... Fuck man I hate Nazis
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39770178]Who the hell told you 2 million? It's well known that around 6 million jews alone were killed, not taking into account gays, undesirables, romani gypsies and a ton of other people.[/QUOTE]
That's a rough number, it's been a while since I've been taught about it. Blame history books.
And to think that today we can kill that many people, possibly more in a matter of hours these days if we wanted to.
War and war technologies reek of terror.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;39773397]What the Soviet Union did is more akin to what North Korea is doing now. Death isn't the primary goal, but control; death being either a side effect or a means to that end. Christ, sounds so goddamn clinical, how I put that, but that's about as clear as I can make the nebulous idea floating in my head.
What Nazi Germany did was primarily to exterminate a people, with slave labour used to squeeze some weapons out of them before they died.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. During Stalin's reign there were many ethnic groups who he purposely vetted ruthlessly almost akin to genocide.
Take the Chechens for example, after WW2 he was just like "yeah I don't like Chechens"(to put it simply) and deported hundreds of thousands of them to labour camps to die in Siberia.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;39789070]And to think that today we can kill that many people, possibly more in a matter of hours these days if we wanted to.
War and war technologies reek of terror.[/QUOTE]
We could annihilate the entire planet in a matter of a few days.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;39780025]Romania doesn't count?[/QUOTE]
Fuck you
[QUOTE=Aman VII;39789541]Take the Chechens for example, after WW2 he was just like "yeah I don't like Chechens"(to put it simply) and deported hundreds of thousands of them to labour camps to die in Siberia.[/QUOTE]
Well, they were supporting the invading German army (alongside few other minorities who were not happy with Soviet government), in hopes of getting independence. So it makes some logical sense for Stalin to target those particular groups.
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