Protesters Disrupt St. Louis Symphony With 'Requiem For Mike Brown' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46162036]i was mostly following the police's response to the shooting, not the shooting itself because in the grand scheme of everything ferguson related i think it's the least significant. read up some NPR articles after having that pointed out tho, wasn't aware of the allegation that he was punched until just now, and the general consensus when i was up to date on this a while ago was that mike brown was shot in the back.[/QUOTE] Ah, gotcha. The news about the orbital socket blowout was from an unchecked source, a freind of the family. People have been grasping at that as well. I'm not supporting either side. Witnesses, just like unchecked sources, are vulnerable to personal biases. I prefer to wait until the actual evidence comes out to form my opinions, and I always give the benefit of the doubt, because it's innocent until proven guilty, no matter the case. And while the police's response was a bit overboard, so was the community's. It's terrible that legitimate peaceful protesters had to have their protest ruined by a bunch of bad apples, but such is life I guess....

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];46162077']Like I get that maybe you don't want the intermission of your symphony disrupted but all the same we don't get to selectively turn off the bad and just enjoy the good.[/QUOTE] yeah, but you could use this argument against the protestors too and in fact everyone that has ever complained ever this is the ultimate non-post

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46162036]i was mostly following the police's response to the shooting, not the shooting itself because in the grand scheme of everything ferguson related i think it's the least significant. [B]read up some NPR articles after having that pointed out tho, wasn't aware of the allegation that he was punched until just now, and the general consensus when i was up to date on this a while ago was that mike brown was shot in the back[/B].[/QUOTE] Only if you were ignoring the news. There were reports of Michael Brown having assaulted the officer within two days of the "OHMYGOD," and even some preliminary reports included "The only eye witness testimony that he was shot in the back are from a single source who was a personal friend of his." You had to have deliberately ignored any information to the contrary of "Innocent black teenager shot by disgruntled random cop" in order to have not heard any of that.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;46162145]"The only eye witness testimony that he was shot in the back are from a single source who was a personal friend of his."[/QUOTE] Tiffany Mitchel, Emmanuel Freeman, and Piaget Crenshaw were the three eyewitnesses who claimed Brown was shot while trying to surrender, and none of them knew Brown whatsoever. Freeman tweeted about it minutes after he saw it, and had no ability to collude with the other two witnesses. If you're going to call someone out for being ignorant of the facts at least try to understand the case.

It's important to remember that this is no longer just about Michael Brown, nor has it ever really been. He is just the face of the long-standing, and incredibly deep racial tensions in this city. Saint Louis's disappointing history of racism is far from being wrapped up and packed in the attic, and [I]that[/I] is what the majority of the "Michael Brown" protesters who are still on the streets are on about. Even if the shooting is declared justified (which it may well be, given what we know about the actual shooting so far), they are still right to protest their situation. This entire sordid affair was seriously mishandled, from leaving Brown's body in the street in plain view for hours, to the heavily militarized police response to protests; Saint Louis responded very poorly to the shooting, and there is ample reason to suspect racial motivations behind that. Black people in my city have been given a terrible hand, and are regularly overlooked, mistreated, or blatantly targeted. That is something that needs to change if we are ever going to move forward. Not just as a city, but as a country. We need to put this ugly attitude towards minorities behind us.

[QUOTE=Govna;46161938]You must have missed the part where he hit a cop in the face with his fist, which is what actually led to him getting shot.[/QUOTE] you must have missed the part where that story was fake [url]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket[/url]

[QUOTE=djshox;46164472]you must have missed the part where that story was fake [url]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket[/url][/QUOTE] All that was fake about that story was the claim that Wilson suffered an orbital blowout fracture to his eye socket. The pictures that were being posted around of supposedly him were actually of some dead Motocross guy who'd been injured in 2006, and the CT scan images that were supposedly his came from some medical thing from the University of Iowa (I don't know if it was from a textbook or a slide presentation; nobody ever told me). Otherwise, he [i]was[/i] taken to the hospital, because he [I]did[/I] have to be treated for suffering a swollen face. [IMG]http://i57.tinypic.com/bdvayq.jpg[/IMG] Everyone knew this like a week after the shooting happened. Nearly two months ago. [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] It's pretty simple: he got hit in the face.

look at all the nasty fucking racists in this thread damn

[QUOTE=Govna;46161896]A thug in a St. Louis suburb steals from a convenience store, assaults a cop afterwards, and gets killed for his idiocy by the same cop. That information alone is enough to make any decent, law-abiding human being with common sense feel better about him being dead. Michael Brown was a piece of shit. Go home you stupid fuckers. [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] Being a nuisance is not being relevant.[/QUOTE] Holy shit! Who knew the man with 100% credible evidence of a crime would choose to reveal it on Facepunch! Thanks for all your hard work man, nobody cares about the years of escalating tension between the black community and police forces nationwide and how it impacts the lives of citizens on a day to day basis. If only the protestors and the law enforcement officers on the case and the eyewitnesses knew as much as you did. You even were close enough to Michael Brown to state that he was a piece of shit! When do you go to the stand? All of us stupid fuckers are really proud of you

Perhaps we just shouldn't have officers who are incapable of subduing an unarmed man without lethal force? The whole situation is pathetic whether or not Michael Brown is innocent,

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46166619]Perhaps we just shouldn't have officers who are incapable of subduing an unarmed man without lethal force? The whole situation is pathetic whether or not Michael Brown is innocent,[/QUOTE] Yeah its so easy to subdue a 6'4 292 pound guy right?

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46166619]Perhaps we just shouldn't have officers who are incapable of subduing an unarmed man without lethal force? The whole situation is pathetic whether or not Michael Brown is innocent,[/QUOTE] You give a person the easiest/most powerful option they're gonna take it.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46166890]Yeah its so easy to subdue a 6'4 292 pound guy right?[/QUOTE] The crucial flaw in this argument is the fact that black people [I]aren't[/I] raging wild animals who will decide to murder police officers with their fists for no reason when being stopped for jaywalking. The original blog source purporting that Wilson suffered a facial fracture ultimately turned out to be false but apparently their lie payed off because people still believe that shit.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46167226]The crucial flaw in this argument is the fact that black people [I]aren't[/I] raging wild animals who will decide to murder police officers with their fists for no reason when being stopped for jaywalking. The original blog source purporting that Wilson suffered a facial fracture ultimately turned out to be false but apparently their lie payed off because people still believe that shit.[/QUOTE] Way to fucking put words in his mouth, he said literally nothing like that, All he said was "Mike Brown was a huge guy", not a single fucking word about his race, Jesus christ

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46166890]Yeah its so easy to subdue a 6'4 292 pound guy right?[/QUOTE] Um yes with pepper spray and a tazer, you know, non lethals that police carry? Or training? Did he not have another officer with him?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46167226]The crucial flaw in this argument is the fact that black people [I]aren't[/I] raging wild animals who will decide to murder police officers with their fists for no reason when being stopped for jaywalking. [/QUOTE] Wow you disgusting racist bigot. Nowhere did he mention race or animalistic tendencies. It wouldn't surprise me if you started saying cremation is anti-semitic.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46167226]The crucial flaw in this argument is the fact that black people [I]aren't[/I] raging wild animals who will decide to murder police officers with their fists for no reason when being stopped for jaywalking. The original blog source purporting that Wilson suffered a facial fracture ultimately turned out to be false but apparently their lie payed off because people still believe that shit.[/QUOTE] Did I say black? Did I say black people were raging wild animals or go beat cops to death? I said none of those things yet you respond like i did :v: 10/10 [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;46167434]Um yes with pepper spray and a tazer, you know, non lethals that police carry? Or training? Did he not have another officer with him?[/QUOTE] If mike was beating the shit out of him, I'm sure the last thing on his mind was to pull pepper spray out, and, you know, the fact that he was [i]reaching for his gun[/i]

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46168551] If mike was beating the shit out of him, I'm sure the last thing on his mind was to pull pepper spray out, and, you know, the fact that he was [I]reaching for his gun[/I][/QUOTE] Why? What possible motivation could he have for murdering a police officer? I'm not specifically accusing you of being racist; I'm saying it's a sign of our society's racism when an officer shoots an unarmed black man to death, defends his actions with: "he tried to murder me for literally no reason at all" and people respond with: "hmmm... Makes sense."

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46169198]Why? What possible motivation could he have for murdering a police officer? I'm not specifically accusing you of being racist; I'm saying it's a sign of our society's racism when an officer shoots an unarmed black man to death, defends his actions with: "he tried to murder me for literally no reason at all" and people respond with: "hmmm... Makes sense."[/QUOTE] I don't know about you or anyone else, but if Mike Brown had been a huge purple polka-dotted green alien instead of a huge black dude I'd [I]still[/I] believe the shooting was justified if the cop genuinely thought his life was in danger. The aggression Mike Brown showed in the video taken before his encounter with the police makes me think he wouldn't have been beyond thinking he could charge a police officer and potentially get away. Cops getting attacked by criminals isn't unheard of, especially when they're on the lam. I really doubt he wanted to kill the cop, he probably thought he could just knock the guy out, or at least subdue him long enough to escape. It seems like the most reasonable explanation to me. Trying to deliberately kill him just doesn't make sense, and actually I don't think anyone sensible would believe that. I don't live in St. Louis, and I've heard a lot of conflicting testimony from both sides of the issue, but I'm still sticking with the most reasonable explanation. In [I]this particular instance[/I], I don't think there was intended malice on the part of the cop. That being said, I would not dismiss the claims that there's problems with instituted racism in St. Louis - I've not heard or seen any evidence refuting that.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46168551]the fact that he was [I]reaching for his gun[/I][/QUOTE] Again, if this were a provable [I]fact[/I], there wouldn't be anything questionable about Officer Wilson's conduct.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46169198]Why? What possible motivation could he have for murdering a police officer? I'm not specifically accusing you of being racist; I'm saying it's a sign of our society's racism when an officer shoots an unarmed black man to death, defends his actions with: "he tried to murder me for literally no reason at all" and people respond with: "hmmm... Makes sense."[/QUOTE] Jesus I literally can't tell if you're trolling or really this stupid.