White House: ESPN host should be fired for calling Trump a ‘white supremacist’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=VX-79;52695342]The big difference here is Obama never did anything that appealed to a large amount of socialists, inadvertently or not, and there wasn't a surge of far-left crime after either of his elections. Don't even try to equate the two. Nazis and white supremacists have said it themselves that they liked how he said that there are bad people and good people on both sides. Do you really think that that statement didn't embolden them?[/QUOTE] Of course Obama did things that socialists liked. He was much preferred to the opposition. Also, Trump said there were good and bad people within the people at Charlottesville on both sides (it's a fact that not everyone at Charlottesville was a white supremacist), not that there were good and bad white supremacists. My point isn't that Obama is a socialist, but that having something in common with a group doesn't make you part of that group. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] I'm sure the Black Panthers were emboldened by some of Obama's statements. Does that mean Obama ought to be associated with them? No, of course not. Extremist groups will take anything and run with it.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52681237]It's not libel if it's true. Trump has proven beyond all shadow of a doubt that he personally and politically supports the ideology of white supremacists.[/QUOTE] A not strong enough condemnation can only be interpreted as "personal and political" support by an extremist.

[QUOTE=Adelle Zhu;52680997]First Amendment is a wonderful thing sometimes. But I bet they'll circumvent it because she was talking about someone who needs his ego protected.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure where the First amendment applies here. It's ultimately ESPN's decision, and a private company can fire you for whatever they want.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52695033]Right, just like Obama personally and politically supports the ideology of socialists. In both cases, the president in question supported specific policies that those groups agreed with, but split in extremely key ways. Obama didn't want to take away private ownership of the means of production and Trump doesn't want to take away the rights of minorities.[/QUOTE] You've got some guts lying through your teeth like that. What was the transgender military ban? What was the Muslim travel ban?

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52695434]You've got some guts lying through your teeth like that. What was the transgender military ban? What was the Muslim travel ban?[/QUOTE] Those are examples of white supremacy? What? I'm not even sure how they could be spun in such a manner. The transgender ban isn't racial. So it's automatically out. And the Muslim ban was, even if you taken it at it's worst possible, racially biased against a single group of people (it wasn't in favor of whites, it was against Arabs).

[QUOTE=sgman91;52695365]Of course Obama did things that socialists liked. He was much preferred to the opposition. Also, Trump said there were good and bad people within the people at Charlottesville on both sides (it's a fact that not everyone at Charlottesville was a white supremacist), not that there were good and bad white supremacists. My point isn't that Obama is a socialist, but that having something in common with a group doesn't make you part of that group. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] I'm sure the Black Panthers were emboldened by some of Obama's statements. Does that mean Obama ought to be associated with them? No, of course not. Extremist groups will take anything and run with it.[/QUOTE] So trump's tasteless statements on muslims/mexicans, the hiring of Steve Bannon, and the recent DACA situation aren't strong enough evidence? You don't have to be skinhead that harasses black people to do things that support white supremacy, purposely or not. Also, being the lesser of two evils that these elections always boil down to makes him a socialist sweetheart? Something like the ACA was a step in the right direction but it's certainly not the single payer that they've always asked for. And you're really gonna have to show me this apparent praise by black panthers, besides something as basic as "I'm happy a black person is president" and hopes they had that never came to fruition. I'd also suggest you look into the group and the government's scheming against it further if you think it's at all comparable to nazis. [QUOTE=sgman91;52695444]Those are examples of white supremacy? What? I'm not even sure how they could be spun in such a manner. The transgender ban isn't racial. So it's automatically out. And the Muslim ban was, even if you taken it at it's worst possible, racially biased against a single group of people (it wasn't in favor of whites, it was against Arabs).[/QUOTE] Now how in the actual fuck is racially profiling not an example of appealing to white supremacy? Do you think the word only applies to things that directly help all white people? And believe it or not, white supremacists' hate doesn't tend to stop at only disliking different races. Their whole thing is disdain for any people who they deem as "degenerate".

[QUOTE=VX-79;52695461]Now how in the actual fuck is racially profiling not an example of appealing to white supremacy? Do you think the word only applies to thing that directly help all white people? Believe it or not, white supremacists' hate doesn't tend to stop at only disliking different races. Their whole thing is disdain for any people who they deem as "degenerate".[/QUOTE] White supremacy is the idea that white people are inherently supreme over all other races. It's often combined with the idea that white people ought to rule over everyone else. Using the phrase as a catch all for all the things you don't like is just silly. About the black panthers: Obama stopped the criminal investigation into the black panthers standing outside of voting booths with clubs. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] In the words of Wikipedia: "White supremacy or white supremacism is a racist ideology based upon the belief that white people are superior in many ways to people of other races and that therefore white people should be dominant over other races."([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy[/URL])

[QUOTE=sgman91;52695444]Those are examples of white supremacy? What? I'm not even sure how they could be spun in such a manner. The transgender ban isn't racial. So it's automatically out. And the Muslim ban was, even if you taken it at it's worst possible, racially biased against a single group of people (it wasn't in favor of whites, it was against Arabs).[/QUOTE] I'm convinced you're being deliberately obtuse on purpose. You said "Trump doesn't want to take away the rights of minorities," which is patently false. And you think white supremacists have a favorable view of Muslims now? Please.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52695496]White supremacy is the idea that white people are inherently supreme over all other races. It's often combined with the idea that white people ought to rule over everyone else. Using the phrase as a catch all for all the things you don't like is just silly. About the black panthers: Obama stopped the criminal investigation into the black panthers standing outside of voting booths with clubs. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] In the words of Wikipedia: "White supremacy or white supremacism is a racist ideology based upon the belief that white people are superior in many ways to people of other races and that therefore white people should be dominant over other races."([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy[/URL])[/QUOTE] Holy shit this is like when people say homophobioa isn't real because -phobia means a fear of something and not hate. How is not allowing an entire group of people into a country, who are almost entirely nonwhite, not an example of white supremacy? Countless people have already pointed out how ineffective and even counterproductive the ban would be, there's no other strong reason for it now besides hate. And please please please explain to me how nazis are actually cool with queer people now, I'll wait.

[QUOTE=VX-79;52695513]Holy shit this is like when people say homophobioa isn't real because -phobia means a fear of something and not hate. How is not allowing an entire group of people into a country, who are almost entirely nonwhite, not an example of white supremacy? Countless people have already pointed out how useless and even detrimental the ban would be, there's no other rational reason for it now besides hate.[/QUOTE] 1) The ban didn't prevent any "entire group" from entering the country. Arabs from any other country, other than those 7, were just fine. 2) The ban had nothing to do with Arab citizens of the US. Being a white supremacist doesn't mean you have strict immigration controls. It means you think white people are superior to everyone else.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52695521]1) The ban didn't prevent any "entire group" from entering the country. Arabs from any other country, other than those 7, were just fine. 2) The ban had nothing to do with Arab citizens of the US. Being a white supremacist doesn't mean you have strict immigration controls. It means you think white people are superior to everyone else.[/QUOTE] It should be painfully obvious the countries that immigrants wouldn't be banned from are ones the US and even trump himself have had monetary involvement with. And white supremacy only applies to hating other races inside your own country now? I think if my people were banned from entering where I live I wouldn't feel very welcome there, let alone how flippant that suggestion is in the first place.