The Donald Trump Highly Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062021]I think it was just wanting to see what someone would do in that position who normally would have no business being in said position (and has clearly proven he had no right to be there). He seemed to have some interesting ideas on bringing in changes surrounding taxes and I was hoping he'd help small businesses. [/QUOTE] You're missing the point. Nothing wrong with wanting to vote for a businessman. However voting for a multiple-bankrupt-pussy-grabbing-tax-avoider-twitter-ranter-reality-tv-star-businessman is absolute foolishness

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062137]who thought using her own insecure email server was better than the Government's[/QUOTE] Not to say that Hillary's actions were justified exactly, but I live in the DC area and work with a lot of former government contractors. I know one whose "secure government email" was hacked, whereas his personal email was fine. Again, that doesn't mean it's a [I]good[/I] idea to do secure shit on a private email, but it's not exactly cut and dry either.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;53062162]This is actually a big part of [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I&feature=youtu.be&t=9m35s]why Charisma on Command predicted a Trump win[/URL] in May of 2016. Trump banked hard on being an outsider and framed inexperience as being a good thing, and Hillary just inexplicably accepted that premise. I certainly feel we all could have told you how all this would go, and that it should have been clear before the election, but I can understand the sentiment since the re-framing of experience as a bad thing was seemingly left unchallenged by Hillary.[/QUOTE] I still don't really understand, when you hear about shit like the wall, banning Muslims, the literal Nazis supporting him, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case#Accusations_by_Donald_Trump]or any number of things that he did in his past[/url], you'd think that people would figure out that he's not a good person.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;53062173]Not to say that Hillary's actions were justified exactly, but I live in the DC area and work with a lot of former government contractors. I know one whose "secure government email" was hacked, whereas his personal email was fine. Again, that doesn't mean it's a [I]good[/I] idea to do secure shit on a private email, but it's not exactly cut and dry either.[/QUOTE] It's also a pretty big way of saying when you do something like that that you don't trust the Government you're about to be a major part of. It's a complicated issue I agree, but that's where you can see different opinions are able to be created from it.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062180]It's also a pretty big way of saying when you do something like that that you don't trust the Government you're about to be a major part of. It's a complicated issue I agree, but that's where you can see different opinions are able to be created from it.[/QUOTE] There's a laundry list of reasons not to trust the government even if you're about to be a part of it. I'm not on the bandwagon of continuing to pile on regretful Trump supporters though, anyway. That's a good way to alienate people in future elections.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;53062143]Half of the reason Trump has the level of support he does is that people attack each other for voting for him and they double down simply to feel less like shit. Having respect for the other side and refuting their beliefs is how you bring people around. Attacking and calling them asinine just pushes them away.[/QUOTE] You can't say in one sentence that you wanted to see what it was like having someone in the president's seat who you admit has no business being there, get annoyed when people call it a foolish and dumb decision and still expect people to take you seriously.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;53062184]There's a laundry list of reasons not to trust the government even if you're about to be a part of it.[/QUOTE] True, but I'd feel you'd need to be able to trust them, considering her own weren't even that secure to begin with. [editline]18th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53062188]You can't say in one sentence that you wanted to see what it was like having someone in the president's seat who you admit has no business being there, get annoyed when people call it a foolish and dumb decision and still expect people to take you seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to keep going over this. I don't need to be constantly called out for making a mistake when I've admitted it. I was annoyed because I felt like I was being called dumb and foolish, that my character was being called those things. This is obviously a different situation from my decision being called foolish and dumb, which is what I realized was happening. Besides, you can only be told the same thing so many times before it grates on you. You should take me seriously because unlike a few other certain users I'm actually attempting to have a discussion.

Not a single spelling error? Damn, this must’ve taken him days. I can just imagine Trump hunched over a keyboard plinking away with his itty bitty fingers, sweating as he tries to figure out what a comma is. It would almost be adorable if I was unaware the man is a psychopath.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062137]I'd love to see if you're going to start picking things apart like that how Hillary, who thought using her own insecure email server was better than the Government's, would have been fit to handle the secrets? Both had their flaws, don't act like it was cut and dry at the time. To be honest it's easy for you guys to sit here and put the dunce cap on me AFTER the fact, but hell if I've already stated what I realize was a mistake, it doesn't do anything other than paint you as an ass.[/QUOTE] After decades in public service and a ridiculously long and successful career, the one thing they had to hold against her was that she fucked up with email security. So instead we elect the...Jesus where do I even start at this point. How do I even describe the collosal train wreck that is Donald Trump, even prior to the election. A blatantly xenophobic racist asshole monster that views women as objects? I think that covers like a quarter of the bases. I mean if nothing else, it begs the question of what did people even think the status quo was. The problem in DC is that companies get their greedy little fingers in everything. The answer to that problem is to elect a politician with a solid voting history, not to cut out the middle man and just put those businesses in power directly. I wish I understood how intelligent people that I respect could cast a vote for him.

[QUOTE=mcharest;53062205]Not a single spelling error? Damn, this must’ve taken him days. I can just imagine Trump hunched over a keyboard plinking away with his itty bitty fingers, sweating as he tries to figure out what a comma is. It would almost be adorable if I was unaware the man is a psychopath.[/QUOTE] Or using Occam's razor one of his more proficient helpers would've done that for him until he approved of it as well.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53062188]You can't say in one sentence that you wanted to see what it was like having someone in the president's seat who you admit has no business being there, get annoyed when people call it a foolish and dumb decision and still expect people to take you seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying voting for Trump was a good idea. I'm saying that attacking people who regret voting for him is part of why we have such a divided political climate. He made a mistake, by his own admission. Giving him shit just reinforces the elitist liberal stereotype and pushes him farther away. We need to be more open to actual discussion with those that disagree with us. You can't disrespect someone and be surprised when they won't stand with you. It's part of why SJWs got so much shit. Equality is great, but if you're a caustic fuckwit about it nobodies going to want to talk to you.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062150]It's everything to do with hindsight? Meaning AFTER the situation I realize it was a mistake. I understand it was. You can't say it isn't. Besides, I obviously wasn't the only one who failed to see the warning signs, and I had to weigh two different options. Keeping in mind influences around me as well as what I seemed to believe at the time, obviously things have changed.[/QUOTE] i just want to know if you accept that all the signs were there at the time, because otherwise you'll just get tricked by the next Trump at which point i actually will think you're stupid. it's the difference between picking the wrong side of a coin and designing a building without a fire escape.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062093]I disagree entirely because it's a matter of trying to change up the status quo. If you're not happy with the current state of affairs you try something new. To call it foolish is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] if you're trying to decide on a new taxman or a new mechanic, you don't pick an arc welder or a big game hunter. you pick someone [I]qualified[/I] for the [I]position.[/I] not personally attacking your choice, only your logic for deciding.

[QUOTE=Quark:;53062424]if you're trying to decide on a new taxman or a new mechanic, you don't pick an arc welder or a big game hunter. you pick someone [I]qualified[/I] for the [I]position.[/I] not personally attacking your choice, only your logic for deciding.[/QUOTE] I think there's merit to the idea of an outsider with no political baggage or entanglements. The problem is that they need to be smart enough to work with people that do have knowledge on the relevant subjects. Trump is the polar opposite of that in every way. The golden ideal is a normal guy trying his best to do what's best because he doesn't play political games, and that's also not Trump.

Holy shit I thought BDA was being sarcastic in the title of the thread but that's what it's actually called! [t]https://puu.sh/z4oZj/e675ceac91.png[/t] vvvv:v:vvvv

I can understand wanting to vote in an outsider to change the status quo, to a [I]certain[/I] extent, but I will never undstand why anybody would think that Donald Trump was the right man to do it. The man isn't just an outsider to politics, he's a lunatic with no grasp on reality, who's only consistent stance is to consistently be the biggest narcissistic crybaby doofus that he possibly can. In no rational world is there a [B]positive[/B] change to the status quo ushered by a man like that.

[QUOTE=PeejsterM;53061595][URL="https://www.vox.com/2018/1/17/16871430/trumps-fake-news-awards-annotated"]Here's an article from Vox that goes into detail about each claim.[/URL] The first item is an op-ed, not a news report, and for almost every other entry a correction was issued.[/QUOTE] Other than the obviously meaningless #10, he seems to be basically right about the rest. They are real examples of reporting that wasn't true, was misinformed, etc. Sure, corrections went out, but we all know how ineffective corrects are at fixing the problem of false information being spread around. With that said, this isn't something I want a president to do, and specifically Trump. It should be coming from some journalistic group.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;53063004]It isn't a genuine list, it is propaganda. If it was genuine, fox news would be there among the rest. But it doesn't matter, the list is bullshit. What good does it accomplish?[/QUOTE] They can both be right and incomplete. I agree with you, that's one of the big reasons I don't want an inherently political person like the president doing it. Ideally, we would have some actual media watchdogs with a semblance of being nonpartisan to keep track of this sort of thing. It's important to note that there was a lot of bad reporting from what are generally considered respectable institutions.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53062915]Other than the obviously meaningless #10, he seems to be basically right about the rest. They are real examples of reporting that wasn't true, was misinformed, etc. Sure, corrections went out, but we all know how ineffective corrects are at fixing the problem of false information being spread around.[/QUOTE] Right, it's a genuine, honest list. Hence why Fox News, a station that borders on being state propaganda at this point and gets outed as liars just about every goddamn day, is nowhere to be found. The whole 'corrections don't do dick' doesn't matter and is a bit of a piss-poor attempt at discrediting them. They fucked up and they admitted it. There's a difference between mistakes in reporting and making news up. Specifically, that the WH looooooves to do the latter.

Has any other president been this embarrassingly immature to put out a bogus 'award show' to smear the 'left wing' press this hard? Genuine question, unlike this abortion of a top 10 list.

Trumps relationship with – and actions against – the press and the freedom of the press is so fucking fascist-like. I dare anyone to even try to argue the opposite.

Get him out already, this man makes me sick.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53063017]They can both be right and incomplete. I agree with you, that's one of the big reasons I don't want an inherently political person like the president doing it. Ideally, we would have some actual media watchdogs with a semblance of being nonpartisan to keep track of this sort of thing. It's important to note that there was a lot of bad reporting from what are generally considered respectable institutions.[/QUOTE] Fox is propaganda. I don't really care anymore. They buried the lead on a story about Stormy Daniels at a time where it would have been impactful in someway. They buried this story, to elect a man who would help them out. Lets not act like that's anything less than a purposeful decision to bury the truth to help themselves and their ideological point of view. Aka, propaganda.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53063301]Fox is propaganda. I don't really care anymore. They buried the lead on a story about Stormy Daniels at a time where it would have been impactful in someway. They buried this story, to elect a man who would help them out. Lets not act like that's anything less than a purposeful decision to bury the truth to help themselves and their ideological point of view. Aka, propaganda.[/QUOTE] How does this relate to what I said? I'm all for incorrect or misleading stories from all sources being pointed out.

It is impossible to watch Tucker Carlson's segment on FOX and not immediately conclude that it's a steaming pile of propaganda.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53063306]How does this relate to what I said? I'm all for incorrect or misleading stories from all sources being pointed out.[/QUOTE] It's relevant to the concept of "bad reporting" and "respectable institutions". Fox is a "respectable institution", relative to the media apparatus that exists in the US. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of "dishonesty by omission" which is what this is in every way shape or form.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53063323]It's relevant to the concept of "bad reporting" and "respectable institutions". Fox is a "respectable institution", relative to the media apparatus that exists in the US. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of "dishonesty by omission" which is what this is in every way shape or form.[/QUOTE] Perfect example of aforementioned: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mYx8Xn0.png[/IMG]

Anybody who was happy to vote for Trump was happy with completely overlooking or being against LGBT rights, women's rights, and the environment. I can't respect anybody who doesn't care at least a little about those things. At least enough to vote against someone like Trump.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53062082]Saying that you wanted someone in a position that “had no business” being in that position is asinine[/QUOTE] The election was pretty fucked up though and I'd say neither candidate had any business in the Presidency. Trump, yeah it's obvious now and it was apparent back then too but there was a [I]lot[/I] done to muddy the waters and skew judgement. That said, Hillary may as well have appointed herself candidacy and then ran on a platform of "vote for me because I am the only [I]real[/I] choice you've got". Looking at it that way, even though it requires both parties to field such terrible candidates that one could run under the pretense of being the "only choice", seems extremely undemocratic. It wreaked of establishment hubris that drove many away. It drove me away too, but Trump would always say something even worse and drive me back...

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53063840]one of the evils was a continuation of obama-era policies whilst the other was BUILD THE WALL KILL THE NIGGERS im not really even exaggurating[/QUOTE] Agreed, that's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one. [QUOTE]Corruption or build a wall[/QUOTE] Correction: Corruption or corruption but with racism oh and also a wall