The Donald Trump Highly Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Il Principe;53063849] Correction: Corruption or corruption but with racism oh and also a wall[/QUOTE] Status quo corruption or absurd business corruption.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063828]The election was so fucked that I myself would not vote (if given the choice)because we had the choice of two evils. I didn’t want to be held responsible for either.[/QUOTE] I abstained from voting for president (although I sure as shit voted downballot) out of a similar "I don't want to pick the lesser of two evils" philosophy. However, I only did that because I live in a very liberal city, in a blue county, in a state that hasn't gone red in over 30 years. Because I knew that our state would go for Clinton (and it did) I felt it was all right to make that personal gesture since I didn't feel good voting for either candidate - though I freely admit I vastly preferred Clinton to Trump. Of course, I also assumed that Clinton would win so what the hell do I know.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063828]I straight up do not understand the logic behind this “I told you so!” aggression from the left.[/QUOTE] In this case, it's less "I told you so" and more "What the fuck were you thinking"

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063828]Talking down on people who regret voting for Trump is a real good way to get them to never vote again. I straight up do not understand the logic behind this “I told you so!” aggression from the left. To be clear I hate Trump as much as everyone in this thread does. But unless you’re a real shit head. My opinion on people is not changed by who they vote for. [editline]19th January 2018[/editline] The election was so fucked that I myself would not vote (if given the choice)because we had the choice of two evils. I didn’t want to be held responsible for either.[/QUOTE] A vote for Trump is a vote against my safety in multiple ways. I'll never be able to personally look past that.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53062137]Both had their flaws, don't act like it was cut and dry at the time.[/QUOTE] It was. Don't fool yourself into thinking you stopped making bad decisions Even now, as Trump tears your country apart at the seams on a daily fucking basis, you still resort to "it was a good decision at the time" It was bad. You just didn't have the common sense to see it.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53064272]It was. Don't fool yourself into thinking you stopped making bad decisions Even now, as Trump tears your country apart at the seams on a daily fucking basis, you still resort to "it was a good decision at the time" It was bad. You just didn't have the common sense to see it.[/QUOTE] It's starting to feel like Nazi Germany in America pre-Austrian Annexation. Nobody except people who recognize the steps towards fascism had the common sense to see what Trump had in store.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063828]Talking down on people who regret voting for Trump is a real good way to get them to never vote again. I straight up do not understand the logic behind this “I told you so!” aggression from the left. To be clear I hate Trump as much as everyone in this thread does. But unless you’re a real shit head. My opinion on people is not changed by who they vote for. [/QUOTE] In my world, respect and forgiveness are earned, not given out willy-nilly I stand for things, and I obviously gauge the respect I give people based on the things I stand for. You want to be spineless, good for you. Don't impose that on me.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063828]Talking down on people who regret voting for Trump is a real good way to get them to never vote again. I straight up do not understand the logic behind this “I told you so!” aggression from the left. To be clear I hate Trump as much as everyone in this thread does. But unless you’re a real shit head. My opinion on people is not changed by who they vote for. [editline]19th January 2018[/editline] The election was so fucked that I myself would not vote (if given the choice)because we had the choice of two evils. I didn’t want to be held responsible for either.[/QUOTE] I think it's less that people voted for Trump and are just now saying they regret it and more that they are doubling down on why it was an okay idea because Hillary would have been just as bad, which was off the mark in 2016. By 2018 it comes across as trying to insult the intelligence of everyone in the room to still be comparing the two. I don't care if they vote next election and I'm not in the business of electing Democrats. The average American voter is, in my experience, pretty dumb. The best thing I can do is the make the case for why voting for Trump (or really the Republicans in general, see: Roy Moore, Joe Arpaio) isn't a very good idea unless you are doing it for totally selfish reasons like "I make 6 figures and can save bank if they roll out that tax plan" or "I literally don't care about anything except my guns".

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53063860]Forgot about the Russian probes and the recent racism events. Even then I wouldn’t vote for the lesser evil Clinton.[/QUOTE] You would rather stand on principle to send a message or to keep your hands clean than take real, tangible action to stop a racist madman from getting into the whitehouse? Why? You would hurt people and help Trump undermine our democracy by not voting and taking a half measure, even with all we know now? You don't protest with your vote.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53064609]The best thing I can do is the make the case for why voting for Trump (or really the Republicans in general, see: Roy Moore, Joe Arpaio) isn't a very good idea unless you are doing it for totally selfish reasons like "I make 6 figures and can save bank if they roll out that tax plan" or "I literally don't care about anything except my guns".[/QUOTE] Since you brought this up, I would like to ask a question (to anyone really, not just you): Why is it that people will get mad when people vote republican because "they aren't voting for their own best interests", but at the same time get mad at other people for voting republican because it is in their own best interest? I just want to know the reasoning behind this differentiation.

I still don't understand how Trump was the anti-corruption message. [i]"Yo guys I fucking hate how our politics are so infested with corporate shills- lets elect a billionaire corporate shill to 'run the country like a business' that'l fucking show those corporations just what we think of them!"[/i] You planned to send an anti-corruption message.... by cutting out the middle man... and putting the exact sort of people responsible for aforementioned corruption in charge directly? It's been over a year and it still doesn't make sense. What the actual fuck were people thinking?.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53064623]Since you brought this up, I would like to ask a question (to anyone really, not just you): Why is it that people will get mad when people vote republican because "they aren't voting for their own best interests", but at the same time get mad at other people for voting republican because it is in their own best interest? I just want to know the reasoning behind this differentiation.[/QUOTE] I'm not mad at people voting for things that I listed, you do you fam, I'm just making the point that if you don't fall into either of those categories it's really hard to make the case for why you should vote for a Republican candidate.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53064632]I'm not mad at people voting for things that I listed, you do you fam, I'm just making the point that if you don't fall into either of those categories it's really hard to make the case for why you should vote for a Republican candidate.[/QUOTE] Well it's not aimed specifically at you. It's not my intention in that post to call anyone out or anything. It's just something I've noticed over the years on here.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53064609]I think it's less that people voted for Trump and are just now saying they regret it and more that they are doubling down on why it was an okay idea because Hillary would have been just as bad, which was off the mark in 2016. By 2018 it comes across as trying to insult the intelligence of everyone in the room to still be comparing the two. I don't care if they vote next election and I'm not in the business of electing Democrats. The average American voter is, in my experience, pretty dumb. The best thing I can do is the make the case for why voting for Trump (or really the Republicans in general, see: Roy Moore, Joe Arpaio) isn't a very good idea unless you are doing it for totally selfish reasons like "I make 6 figures and can save bank if they roll out that tax plan" or "I literally don't care about anything except my guns".[/QUOTE] The most insulting part, by far, is Nookyava projecting his own ineptitude onto everyone else "How could I have known?" I was there, in 2016. [B]I knew. [/B] You were there in 2016 too. [B]You knew.[/B] The vast, vast majority of FP in 2016 [B]knew.[/B] How could you have known? By fucking listening to the people who were telling you why you should've known

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53064663]The most insulting part, by far, is Nookyava projecting his own ineptitude onto everyone else "How could I have known?" I was there, in 2016. [B]I knew. [/B] You were there in 2016 too. [B]You knew.[/B] The vast, vast majority of FP in 2016 [B]knew.[/B] How could you have known? By fucking listening to the people who were telling you why you should've known[/QUOTE] Thank you. Like 90% of the shit Trump has done was predicted on this site in the year before he was elected. Even some of the more extreme, unexpected, things Trump ended up saying or doing were joked about here. You didn't have to be a time traveller to figure this shit out.

The election was fucked here and back, and I hated Hillary's gut, but I voted for her cause I knew she wouldn't 'build the wall to keep the browns out', or completely eradicate any progress we've been clawing back up since Bush. We all knew Trump was a racist shitbag way before he was elected, and voting for him was direct support of those ideals, whether his supporters knew it or not, and not voting at all was basically becoming a bystander to the madness - not that it really mattered in the end, since popular vote doesn't mean shit, apparently.

[QUOTE=Eva-1337;53064974]The election was fucked here and back, and I hated Hillary's gut, but I voted for her cause I knew she wouldn't 'build the wall to keep the browns out', or completely eradicate any progress we've been clawing back up since Bush. We all knew Trump was a racist shitbag way before he was elected, and voting for him was direct support of those ideals, whether his supporters knew it or not, and not voting at all was basically becoming a bystander to the madness - not that it really mattered in the end, since popular vote doesn't mean shit, apparently.[/QUOTE] Hillary would have been a president worth plenty of grumbling -- a disingenuous corporate shill with some questionable business practices and very little sense of what life was like for real, mdoern Americans. Donald Trump is all of that, and much, much more. There's no contest here. While few of us could be excited about Hillary, none of us were actively afraid of her. About the worst case scenario is that she was a divisive president who left congress infighting. With Trump, that's the [B]best[/B] case scenario. What's frustrating about converted Trumpers is that this was apparent from the get-go. Don't get me wrong: I'm glad you're realizing your mistakes, it's just frustrating that everybody else had to suffer for you to learn a lesson that was fairly self-evident from the start. It's fair to be critical of that. I hope it's a lesson you'll remember the next time you find yourself at the polling station, because this disastrous political experiment has already come at far too high a cost to repeat

[QUOTE=Eva-1337;53064974]The election was fucked here and back, and I hated Hillary's gut, but I voted for her cause I knew she wouldn't 'build the wall to keep the browns out', or completely eradicate any progress we've been clawing back up since Bush. We all knew Trump was a racist shitbag way before he was elected, and voting for him was direct support of those ideals, whether his supporters knew it or not, and not voting at all was basically becoming a bystander to the madness - not that it really mattered in the end, since popular vote doesn't mean shit, apparently.[/QUOTE] Same, I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but voted for Hillary in the election. I really wanted to have Bernie and I really don't like Hillary, but she's so much better than Trump.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;53065788]Same, I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but voted for Hillary in the election. I really wanted to have Bernie and I really don't like Hillary, but she's so much better than Trump.[/QUOTE] Ditto. Not gonna lie - around Summer 2016, at the time of the active disinformation campaign from the Russians that were grossly exaggerating the (still slightly valid) extent that the DNC was trying to strong-arm Sanders out of the election to pave the way for Hillary, I almost considered voting third party or abstaining altogether, but I later came to my senses and voted for Hillary come Election Day. No matter how much of a corporate shill Hillary was, even if you felt that Bernie was unfairly snubbed, I can't see how people would think that Donald was the "more honest and genuine" option out of the two. If you have problems with corruption in Washington, you certainly don't cut out the middle man and have the fox guard the henhouse. Not to mention, all the silly pre-election shitposting about Donald Trump starting World War III and/or sending the nukes flying while announcing it over Twitter is alarmingly much closer to our current reality than it is to fiction because of the North Korea drama - which, granted, is not Donald Trump's fault, but his response to NK's provocations could be genuinely catastrophic. [I]But, hey, at least we don't have to worry about Hillary's email servers right?[/I]