Chelsea Manning files to run for U.S. Senate in Maryland - Polidicks

TBH I'm not suprised about her posting that, the police has brought themselves that reputation by not punishing trigger happy members, evidence manipulation, refusal of recognizing the mistakes and others. Sure, she shouldn't be saying "Fuck the police", but saying "support the police" is not correct as well as it sounds like that all these horrible acts are just "swept under the rug" rather than self critizing and acting to solve these problems.

I think Susan Hennessey said it best: [I]doesn't even pass the laugh test.[/I] I think her leaks were a good thing in general, but she stands effectively zero chance of actually being elected. Half the country views her as a traitor. She was convicted and imprisoned for her actions. Running as a transgender candidate is a big enough hurdle in itself in this deeply conservative country: running as a convicted felon transgender who has already betrayed sensitive government secrets? Sorry, it's just not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53051090]I'd like one that holds police accountable. I also think your job shouldn't be your life. I'm not making t-shirts saying animator lives matter.[/QUOTE] It's kinda how policing works though. It's one of those jobs where if you're not careful, it'll become your whole life and turn you into a husk of a human being, regardless of your intentions going in.

[QUOTE=01271;53051204]Mid last year you got to see Joe Arpaio get off scott free from running his self-described concentration camps, you got to see an officer get off free after forcing some dude to play twister and then executing him, you got to see officers planting drugs as evidence from their bodycam, if you followed the j20 trial you got to see some serious attempts on the 1st from police trying to convict people they randomly picked out of a crowd of protesters for 70 year sentences. this year we got to see a swatting kill someone and the officers didn't give the proper instructions and executed the dude on his doorstep. Manning is aware of this and of similar incidents on which to base her statement "fuck the police".[/QUOTE] "What Manning [I]really[/I] meant by 'fuck the police' is ___________" Don't people get mad at trump supporters for doing that same thing? "What Trump REALLY means by x is ________"

[QUOTE=Blazyd;53052068]"What Manning [I]really[/I] meant by 'fuck the police' is ___________" Don't people get mad at trump supporters for doing that same thing? "What Trump REALLY means by x is ________"[/QUOTE] are you suggesting that chelsea manning wants to have sex with the police [editline]14th January 2018[/editline] because that's the most literal interpretation of the word fuck

[QUOTE=Blazyd;53052068]"What Manning [I]really[/I] meant by 'fuck the police' is ___________" Don't people get mad at trump supporters for doing that same thing? "What Trump REALLY means by x is ________"[/QUOTE] how is what he posted and your example in anyway comparable? the point of what he wrote was that people have a justifiable reason to be upset at American police forces. i don't think anyone here is trying to reassign meaning to what she meant when she said that.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;53052068]"What Manning [I]really[/I] meant by 'fuck the police' is ___________" Don't people get mad at trump supporters for doing that same thing? "What Trump REALLY means by x is ________"[/QUOTE] I'm not saying "this is what she meant" I'm saying they deserve it.

[QUOTE=01271;53052369]I'm not saying "this is what she meant" I'm saying they deserve it.[/QUOTE] Well that's even worse then. Sure there's some asshole cops we need to get rid of, and there's a flaw in having the same system that works with these officers responsible for charging them, but to hate all cops is ridiculous and makes society less safe by driving a wedge between community and police.

[QUOTE=01271;53052369]I'm not saying "this is what she meant" I'm saying they deserve it.[/QUOTE] Negatively stereotyping an entire group of people based on the actions of a few, are we?

[QUOTE=geel9;53052433]Negatively stereotyping an entire group of people based on the actions of a few, are we?[/QUOTE] That's wrong when we're talking about an ethnic group that's not accountable to a central authority that we produced and maintain. It's not wrong to say when the judge says "ok you're free to go" and does away with punishment for officers that do terrible things. That's what's referred to as being "systemic", and is a built-in feature of police. I'm also talking about electing someone who strongly opposes police into a position where they can do something right now. It's not extreme.

[QUOTE=01271;53052455]That's wrong when we're talking about an ethnic group that's not accountable to a central authority that we produced and maintain.[/QUOTE] The only central authority is the federal government, which we are all beholden to a degree. There's no national standards for police, everything is set at the city or state level, and that's where most of the courts are as well.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53052468]So is it cool if I say "We should arrest all black people, cause some commit crime?" or how bout "We should deport all people of hispanic origin, because some of them are illegal". Or how about "We should ban women from voting, because some of them are uneducated".[/QUOTE] I still think it's weird to treat a job like it's a race or a sex that happens to make up half the world. No matter how dangerous the job is.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53052468]So is it cool if I say "We should arrest all black people, cause some commit crime?" or how bout "We should deport all people of hispanic origin, because some of them are illegal". Or how about "We should ban women from voting, because some of them are uneducated". No, its not cool. Any of those statements would immediately get shot to shit, yet "oh fuck the police cause they abuse power" is perfectly acceptable for someone running for public office to say? Fuck no, its not.[/QUOTE] How about changing the judge or the prosecutor or someone at least, making a change, when they're letting police execute people? When they allow stop and frisk and when the officers act on stop and frisk? [QUOTE=ilikecorn;53052468]You're talking about electing someone who doesn't actually understand the situation into a position of power, so they can proceed to fuck up and become the proof that the pro "police can't do anything wrong" group can look and say "see, you really didn't know what you're talking about, now did you".[/QUOTE] You've got this part wrong imo, this is an argument for a situation where "fuck the police" as a term could lose reputation the way a term like "christianity" can lose reputation. "Fuck the police" is something that gets built from the ground up on the back of the many cases of police brutality, police overreach, shooting unarmed men and it can be built up over and over as long as it's happening. Here's an attorney that ran for a position where he could try to reform his local police: [url]https://theintercept.com/2017/10/12/before-charlottesville-was-in-the-spotlight-police-arrested-their-most-prominent-critic-in-the-middle-of-the-night/[/url] [quote]As a candidate for local prosecutor, Fogel did what only a few people have done before – he ran on a platform of reforming the police and dramatically rolling back mass incarceration. His campaign platform promised to avoid mandatory minimums, reduce the number of felony prosecutions, and carefully scrutinize stop-and-frisk policies.[/quote] [quote]At one point, Fogel told Kessler to “get a job and do something productive during the day.” According to Kessler’s own video footage, he responded by shouting, “You are a communist!” Then Caleb Norris, one of Kessler’s associates, looked at Fogel and called him a “communist piece of shit,” at which point Fogel took a step toward Norris and lightly put his hand on Norris’s chest, while Norris swatted it away.[/quote] (video in source) [quote]When prominent public figures are wanted by the police, there are typically two ways officers handle it. Either call the person and ask them to come down to the station, or call the media and arrange for a perp walk. The Charlottesville police went with a third option, the one most likely to guarantee a politically devastating mugshot. [/quote] They arrested an old man in the middle of the night because he touched a nazi and he had a plan to make the police force in his city better. People who want to reform the police are subject to a police force that can act like the fucking mafia sometimes. Unless you elect a crypto-progressive the police will read the platform, see it coming and can arrest you in the middle of the night to protect themselves from becoming better. Being openly anti-police can work in maryland imo. This is based on the fact that Baltimore is in maryland and it's treated very badly by officials and it's also the place where the baltimore riots happened. Based on the riots' violence and scale anti police sentiment is high imo and a platform including doing SOMETHING to the police will resonate. Manning's campaign could include [url=https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/baltimore-freezing-schools-children-racism-austerity]not letting students freeze in school[/url] and also "fuck the police" and I'd give it 30% of winning without seeing the rest of the platform.

[QUOTE=01271;53052574]How about changing the judge or the prosecutor or someone at least, making a change, when they're letting police execute people? When they allow stop and frisk and when the officers act on stop and frisk? You've got this part wrong imo, this is an argument for a situation where "fuck the police" as a term could lose reputation the way a term like "christianity" can lose reputation. "Fuck the police" is something that gets built from the ground up on the back of the many cases of police brutality, police overreach, shooting unarmed men and it can be built up over and over as long as it's happening. Here's an attorney that ran for a position where he could try to reform his local police: [url]https://theintercept.com/2017/10/12/before-charlottesville-was-in-the-spotlight-police-arrested-their-most-prominent-critic-in-the-middle-of-the-night/[/url] (video in source) They arrested an old man in the middle of the night because he touched a nazi and he had a plan to make the police force in his city better. People who want to reform the police are subject to a police force that can act like the fucking mafia sometimes. Unless you elect a crypto-progressive the police will read the platform, see it coming and can arrest you in the middle of the night to protect themselves from becoming better. Being openly anti-police can work in maryland imo. This is based on the fact that Baltimore is in maryland and it's treated very badly by officials and it's also the place where the baltimore riots happened. Based on the riots' violence and scale anti police sentiment is high imo and a platform including doing SOMETHING to the police will resonate. Manning's campaign could include [url=https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/baltimore-freezing-schools-children-racism-austerity]not letting students freeze in school[/url] and also "fuck the police" and I'd give it 30% of winning without seeing the rest of the platform.[/QUOTE] yes hi the students freezing in school is more nuanced than the "Baltimore hates poor people" narrative. yes those students are disadvantaged, however a. Shutting down an entire school district is a difficult process, b. Those same kids who you're saying "man Baltimore hates poor people", their parents are probably at work and can't leave work to pick up their kid, their school lunch might be their only meal for the day, c. Most schools resolved the heating issue by the middle of the day is it fair to say that maintenance shouldn't have gotten so bad that the heaters broke? totally. is it fair to make the logical jump to "Baltimore hates poor people"? not in my opinion, no

[QUOTE=01271;53051204]you got to see an officer get off free after forcing some dude to play twister and then executing him[/QUOTE] Holy hell, citation fucking needed. When the fuck did this happen.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53052391]Well that's even worse then. Sure there's some asshole cops we need to get rid of, and there's a flaw in having the same system that works with these officers responsible for charging them, but to hate all cops is ridiculous and makes society less safe by driving a wedge between community and police.[/QUOTE] Fuck the police, but don't fuck police officers. Fuck the police as an institution, because the system as a whole is clearly flawed, but dont fuck every police officer.

[QUOTE=EditOutJ;53053974]Holy hell, citation fucking needed. When the fuck did this happen.[/QUOTE] I think he's referring to: [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html[/url] Really no justification for this. Confused, sobbing young man doing everything he can to comply. Begging for his life. Shot to death in an instant for a single tiny slip-up after five straight minutes of confusing, often contradictory orders. [Quote]"If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility that you're both going to get shot. Do you understand?" an officer yells before telling Shaver to "shut up." "I'm not here to be tactical and diplomatic with you. You listen. You obey," the officer says. For the next five minutes, officers give Shaver a series of instructions. First, an officer tells Shaver to put both of his hands on top of his head, then he instructs him to cross his left foot over his right foot. "If you move, we're going to consider that a threat and we are going to deal with it and you may not survive it," the officer said. The officer tells Shaver to keep his legs crossed and push himself up into a kneeling position. As Shaver pushes himself up, his legs come uncrossed, prompting the officer to scream at him. "I'm sorry," Shaver says, placing his hands near his waist, prompting another round of screaming. "You do that again, we're shooting you, do you understand?" an officer yells. "Please do not shoot me," Shaver begs, his hands up straight in the air. At the officer's command, Shaver then crawls down the hallway, sobbing. At one point, he reaches back - possibly to pull up his shorts - and Brailsford opens fire, striking Shaver five times. According to the police report, Brailsford was carrying an AR-15 rifle with the phrase "You're F-ed" etched into the weapon. The police report also said the "shots were fired so rapidly that in watching the video at regular speed, one cannot count them."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054065]I think he's referring to: [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html[/url] Really no justification for this. Confused, sobbing young man doing everything he can to comply. Begging for his life. Shot to death in an instant for a single tiny slip-up after five straight minutes of confusing, often contradictory orders.[/QUOTE] Well that was harrowing to watch

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054065]I think he's referring to: [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html[/url] Really no justification for this. Confused, sobbing young man doing everything he can to comply. Begging for his life. Shot to death in an instant for a single tiny slip-up after five straight minutes of confusing, often contradictory orders.[/QUOTE] Correct. Here's the thread: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1588212[/url] The judge acquitted this guy. He walked away after doing this. That's what changes it from a problem at an officer level (officers individually being bad) into a systemic problem.

Judging by her recent behavior i'd say that the US has enough crazy people in the government and we could use more stable people.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;53053730]Wait, I thought it was a chronic issue. Was that all there is to it? Kids wore winter clothing indoors for half a day due to some maintenance problem? What was all the fuzz about?[/QUOTE] the most recent story was at most a day. by the end of Wednesday, everyone was losing their shit online so they closed all schools Thursday and Friday

I think her biggest obstacle is that Ben Cardin is a perfectly fine senator. I haven't heard anything bad about him anyway.