Cambridge Analytica filmed saying they use bribes and sex workers
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I see what you're getting at, but still have to disagree. Nothing about this was unethical or inappropriate. It's not the journalistic tactics themselves that cause controversy with Project Veritas, but the fact that they manufacture the results of those tactics. The hidden camera and undercover journalist were perfectly fine. This was a major story -- one of the biggest of our lifetimes. The guilty parties weren't just going to jump out and say, "ha, ya got us!" Is the FBI being unethical when they have cooperating witnesses and informants wear a wire?
As for the "entrapment of comments," it's not entrapment to ask somebody if they will commit a crime, and have them answer yes and explain how they would do it. Entrapment is tricking somebody into committing a crime, or otherwise coercing or pressuring them to do.
Why wait for the next season of Mr. Robot when you can just turn on the news?
I know it won't happen. But it would be super funny if Facebook was forced to shutdown because they owe way more then they are worth.
the problem with facebook crashing is that it would essentially kill thousands of small businesses and crash entire family networks.
there's not a modern equivalent.
It's a small price to pay if these allegations about how Facebook idly stood by while letting our democracy and our election be ruined are true, plus the hyper-precision targeting of fake news.
Funny as this would be, we know it will never happen like that. There will be some moderate fines at best. Maybe a random board member or two will be put on the sacrificial altar and given a golden parachute through back channels for their service, and that will be the end of it.
People lost their minds over the VW emissions fiasco, and look at what happened. One dude went to jail.
To be honest, the VW emissions incident practically killed diesel cars. More and more cities are planning or have passed bans on diesel engines to be enacted in the future in response to that.
Their stocks also took an enormous dive and I'm not sure if they've recovered yet. This is probably going to be a wakeup call to the world and we might actually see some legislation explicitly protecting the privacy of people, or at least preventing social manipulation on a scale like what CamAnal has achieved.
I knew the gdpr was good for something besides headaches.
To be quite honest we should not wait for a court order for something like this, it would be fantastic to see a group of well organized civilians march in, unplug all their fucking computers and walk out into the street with it and pile it up on the road.
With the present level on corruption, and the possible ties it has to the politicians currently in office in the UK, they simply cannot be trusted to handle this effectively.
That's a great way to give CA a way to get the evidence ruled as inadmissible, and make the case a hell of a lot harder for prosecutors.
this should make things pretty clear imo
don't let facebook's narrative of being some naive well-doers, who were exploited by an evil company which sought to violate data privacy, take hold
facebook were involved in this, they knew what they were doing, they knew what CA was doing, and they let it happen
Deleting facebook can be too great of a leap to many, since it's such a massive international platform for many millions of people around the world. What it needs is a proper watchdog that oversee their treatment of user data from an ethical perspective.
I hope they hit them with a billion dollar fine, companies often sell off user data with little regard as to the consequence. This should serve as a wake up call that people actually are using that data for nefarious purposes and those involved will be held accountable.
I really hope CA and all the other shitheads currently in charge or involved with these scummy tactics, get taken down, facebook too.
I know it wont happen and in two or three weeks time some other big revelation will come out and this will be forgotten about.
Remember the Panama Papers and how big of a revelation that was.....
I'm still holding out hope though.
I think the reason these things get forgotten is because news cycles last hours - and so does the average news consumer's attention span - while investigations last weeks, at minimum, normally scaling up with severity. These things often come to their logical and legal conclusions without much attention, but the consequences would have been the same whether the news was covering them or not. The way things go, the consequences will be far less severe than we think they should be, but that's the rule of law vs the power of big money for you.
Im on mobile so the forums look like shit, here is an available video from channel 4 on the subject, dunno if it's been specifically posted
https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ
Available in both UK and US (rare for channel 4)
https://twitter.com/CamAnalytica/status/976075043942928384
So is that why the ICO is trying to get a search warrant?
As much as I agree that it's critical we put a lid on this shit, I wouldn't say it's a "small price." My business would be absolutely gutted by the loss of Facebook, as would countless others. It may not seem a huge deal in the abstract, but for those of us who lives and livelihoods rely on the networks we've built, it's a very scary thought. We're real people, real families, and we need to eat just like anybody else
I hate to play devil's advocate in this situation, especially because I have a lot of empathy towards others and completely understand how shitty of a situation it is... but honestly when you think about it, that's not that dissimilar of a situation to coal miners wanting to maintain their jobs to provide for their families, even though their jobs may result in overall harm for everyone in the long term. It's not something anyone wants to deal with or is likely prepared for, and I'm not at all insinuating that you need to immediately abandon ship and change jobs, but the reality is that in the long term, the platform your business is based around might suffer massively from its toxicity in the near future. I'm really sorry you're in the situation you are, but you should just be mindful that the platform might not be around long term. Just be careful and protect yourself if you can, please.
Maybe this means that Google Plus finally stands a chance.
Sucks that we landed ourselves in a too big to fail situation again
Google isn't exactly much better than Facebook though. They also are a big data corporation and the last thing we need is another Google service becoming more ubiquitous. They already process more internet user data than basically anyone including big name intelligence agencies as it is.
Don't worry, now we still have MySpace
The question we need to answer is what’s actually necessary to protect people’s privacy and personal data. It’s possible that the only solution is to boycott Facebook entirely, or maybe some added regulation will suffice. It’s a sensitive issue and we need to be sensitive in how we deal with it.
Given how a lot of people on the right already view Facebook as a left-wing network, the slightest regulatory overstep will be considered censorship.
Seems to me the biggest problem is Facebook’s massive negligence in enforcing rules on the “academic” use of its data. According to Wylie, CA stole the data by claiming it was for research purposes, and when Facebook caught wind of it literally all they did was ask politely for the data to be deleted, with no intention or capability of investigating further. And by that time the data was already out in the wild, copied and shared across multiple devices.
This is a historic case of corporate negligence.
BIC (British Information Commission) is still seeking warrants: they're planning a raid on CA's offices and servers.
Meanwhile, the ICO (Information Commissioner's Office) might delay fining them 'til May. Currently they can only fine them 400k but in May will gain the power to fine them up to 4% their global turnover -- which would really put the hurt on such a massive operation.
UK investigates Facebook over data breach, to raid Cambridge Ana..
Tom would have never done this to us, Fuck you Mark!
My heart goes out to you dude. I hope it doesn't ruin your business, but there are the "old ways" of doing real estate as torturous as those may be.
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