Breaking: Donald Threatening to Veto New Spending Bill over (lack of) DACA Deal - Polidicks

Some more tidbits, source But speaking to reporters at the White House about four hours later, Trump said he had decided to sign the bill despite his reservations, arguing that it provides much-needed funding for the military, including a pay increase for troops and new equipment. “My highest duty is to keep America safe,” Trump said. “We need to take care of our military.” Still, he voiced disdain for the hasty way the bill was passed. “I say to Congress, I will never sign another bill like this again,” Trump said, also calling on Congress to give him a line-item veto, a tool that the Supreme Court has said is unconstitutional for a president. Trump wanted the ability to veto parts of a bill, which SCOTUS declared unconstitutional when Bill Clinton was president. In his remarks at the White House, Trump said he was disappointed in the level of border-security funding but pledged to do as much as possible with it and to seek more money from Congress. Saying he was addressing Hispanics, Trump argued that his party is more interested in the fate of dreamers than Democrats are. “Republicans are much more on your side than the Democrats, who are using you for their own purposes,” the president said. His aides have argued Democrats are trying to use DACA as an election issue. People familiar with Trump’s thinking said the president was frustrated with the bill and the coverage it was receiving, particularly on Fox News, where critics took aim at the level of spending in the bill. “He doesn’t care as much about the spending levels, but he knows all of his conservative friends do,” said a senior White House official who requested anonymity to speak more candidly. Just

Because when you want to keep DACA it's an election issue, but when you want to get rid of it its not??

"My highest duty is to keep America safe." Yeah, you're doing a real bang-up job of that, Don.

t_d has a damage control sticky and a thread where the top comment was deleted, something they routinely complain about other subs doing. remember tho it's Trump supporters who really care about freedom of speech.

Confirming my earlier point, this spending bill set aside an additional $750,000,000+ specifically earmarked for countering Russian influence, increasing the country's cybersecurity, upgrading and protecting our voting systems, etc. Not Russian sanctions, per se, but a major victory for national security and the integrity of our elections. Now let's just hope it's actually used.

I can't remember the exact source, but I remember reading that the bill also forbids a large swath of government agencies from interacting with Russian agencies as a form of sanction.

One part of why I'm not too broken up against Trump's presidency is because he's so goddamn easy to manipulate. Even with a minority, if Democrats just play to the idiot's base desires more, we could get more done than we think. Also: This is delicious. I know laughing at others' expense makes me a bad person; I don't care. I love watching TD and/or /pol/ squirm. If ever there were a prime candidate to enact my selfish delight in schadenfreude on, these freaks of nature are at or near the top.

Wapo says: The bill provides $380 million to the federal Election Assistance Commission to make payments to states to improve election security and technology, and the FBI is set to receive $300 million in counterintelligence funding to combat Russian hacking.

Heh, no wonder ol' Donny boy had reservations about it.

No amount of reservations can stop him from going to Mar-a-Lago again though.

Well, like I said: he may be an evil idiot, but he's still an idiot, and he'll let anyone steer his idiocy in any direction they want so long as they play him right.

Trump's actions are really bizzare here. All that fiscal responsibility, smart business man act is a total sham, if you cut taxation while raising spending. Besides I read that DACA was unconstitutional, so I see him as being right for repealing it and demand your congress to put it into law, but the thing is, if he does some sort of legalization (not to mention him upping the numbers), the country will 100% become (sooner) a one party state. So I don't see why the democrats don't give him the stupid wall in exchange for the country. It will probably be swamped in bureaucracy and obstructionism anyway.

I'd like to think it's not that they just don't want the orange to win, but because they realise just how wasteful spending anything on the wall would be- and how the knock on effect of that wasteful spending would be passed on to their citizens. Sure democrats would benefit from people being mad at the republicans for screwing them over, but wouldn't it be better to stop them getting screwed in the first place?.

Or they are comfortable that Trump is impotent to deport dreamers anyway and won't give him anything, as what he wants to give in return they already have. The wall is screwing over voters, if you view it as a waste, but dreamers are guaranteed democrat voters anyway, so isn't leaving them in an unknown status not screwing over (future) voters too.

subverting democracy what How is it a "subversion" of democracy to encourage people legally authorized to vote to participate in democracy? And I'd like you to explain just how Democrats "increase" demographics in the country; it's not like they can push a button and create new left-wing voters out of thin air. If anyone's subverting democracy, here, it's Republicans with their wide array of voter suppression techniques that they've used over the past ten years with increasing frequency: closing DMVs and voter registration offices in black-dominant districts, ridiculous gerrymandering that's now being declared flat-out illegal (and they refuse to obey the law and want to impeach judges for daring to rule against them), needlessly-difficult voter ID laws, and even robocalls falsely claiming the polling station moved and sending expected Democrat voters to completely the wrong location. Tell me again how Democrats are the ones subverting democracy here...

Those dirty Democrats, always increasing demographics. Truly an existential threat to our democracy. Also I am so fucking sick of this "both parties are corrupt" false equivalency bullshit. It's just something that gets tossed out by people looking for an excuse to justify their own laziness and lack of political participation. Yes, both parties are corrupt. But one party acknowledges the reality of climate change while the other pursues delusional and faith based policies due to its increasing enslavement to a fundamentalist-authoritarian electoral coalition that literally believes in end-times prophecy and teaching the Bible as literal truth in schools.

Their button to create new left wing voters is being lax on deporting, illegals and obstructing border control. The practical result is subversion and I can tell you sure as hell that a republican candidate would have an easier time winning in decades past. Encouraging what people to vote? Illegals and dreamers don't have the right to vote even if Obama encouraged one to. Yeah no shit you will be a one party state like China. I don't know what else to call it. They are all good saints working for the downtrodden, just ignore that it results in their political gain and doesn't require an argument, but just more numbers. Surely it's not impossible that there's an element of power and control here. Not sure why you feel a need to list a bucket list of republican evils.

I think this is my favorite thing about the guy. That's just amazing.

Is this why Republicans think it's totally fair to supress voters? Because the democrats are subverting democracy? so much for the moral majority!

The worldview of people on this forum is comically black and white. Yours is a pretty trash post too. Where did I say anything about republicans suppressing voters at all? Also, this is my opinion and last I checked I'm not American to begin with, so not sure how you can take it as a general opinion of republicans.

Jesus I shouldn't listen to you at all then Your own experience of America is probably what you've sen on TV and what you can google, which would result in a warped view of the world no matter who you are.

Don't use one person when talking about all and there won't be a problem.

Don't go making wild claims you pull out of your butt, friendo

With intent or not I will stand by that either way that is what is happening. I am confident that voting patterns support my position.

Immigration isn't subverting democracy.

It is if you believe that people who weren't born here shouldn't have a right to vote. Not that that viewpoint is absolutely abhorrent - but I've seen people hold it.

To be fair, I don't think you would be singing the same tune if Russia were to send people to live over here in certain swing states just to have people tip the vote the way they wanted, not that that's what's happening right now. This "gatekeeping" exists for a reason. There is a reason that once you become a citizen, you can legally vote.

Okay, so, wait, the Democratic "subversion" of democracy is accomplished by not deporting illegals and not strengthening the borders against illegals? And then two sentences later you acknowledge that illegals can't vote? This is a confused argument. Also, if you think Republican candidates are having a hard time winning, maybe you should pay attention and understand that: The majority of state governors are Republican The Senate is majority Republican (barely, after they keep fucking up and screwing over their own constitutents) The House is majority Republican Republicans controlled the 2010 redistricting process and gerrymandered everything to fuck The Republican platform is effectively "fuck women, visible minorities, invisible minorities, the poor, single parents, scientists, academics, anyone who doesn't vote for us, and everyone not making $200,000 a year" And Republicans are continuing to push unfair voting registration policies, among other things, to interfere with the democratic process so that they can continue to win despite relying on the shrinking old white vote.

I was torn between rating Baby and Bad Reading on this one. These are people who have become citizens who others argue 'shouldn't have the right to vote' because they weren't born here - citizen or not.

Oh no, if you're a citizen, you have ALL of the rights that comes with that. They can fuck off with that "you weren't born here so you can't vote" bullshit.