Breaking: Donald Threatening to Veto New Spending Bill over (lack of) DACA Deal - Polidicks

Your “opinion” on immigration alone is delusional and you’ve essentially forfeited any credibility you might have had. This is to say nothing of your pretentious (and for the record incorrect) that we here at Facepunch are partisan shills for the Democratic Party—as if the past two years of open disdain of the Democratic leadership and much of its legislative agenda somehow don’t cut it in your learned political opinion. The only one suffering from a comically black and white worldview is you my man.

You're saying they are implementing unfair voting policies so they can still win despite of the shrinking white vote. That's exactly the point and what I was trying to express above. My view is based on the fact that all other groups vote democrat. Here, for example, a quick search yields that for 2000-2012 elections and for 2016 elections Clinton would have had an easy victory, if whites were removed from the electorate. That's certainly nation and even world transformative immigration and it's certainly not winning by an argument. As for illegals not being able to vote, their children can vote. Eventually a point will be reached that it will be nigh impossible for republicans to win an election and it's a conundrum because at that point the two party system would be a total sham. Of course, illegals just speed it up and it will happen regardless. There's a lot of far left bullshit around too. Democratic subversion by facilitating demographic change is a rationalization I've come to for that. When said by an elected official is that person just stupid or does he want to bring about that change for party gain? There's no denying it's beneficial for their party though. But I've been wrong to state it as fact next to republican bullshit because it's not like I can prove it's their party policy.

Maybe the problem is less the illegals and the fact that Republicans aren't appealing to them - are breaking up their families - and so on and so forth being the reason they're not voting for them. 🤔

Not voting because of broken up families? It's a no win situation then and the conclusion to how you would want them to act would be that every illegal that has a child would never be deported and themselves would become a citizen. So basically lawlessness in that regard.

It would be lawlessness to deport children who were born in the US.

Electoral coalitions evolve, and political parties evolve with them. Any party that can’t adapt to shifting demographics doesn’t deserve to govern, because it cannot possibly meet the needs of the electorate.

Maybe Republicans should try appealing to those demographics more than Democrats do then? That's not a problem with the Democrats nor the demographic, lol. So what you're saying is that children who are legally citizens should pay for the crimes of their parents? That seems totally fair. We actually reached that point already. Republicans only continue to win because they're changing the rules. They don't actually appeal to most American citizens.

So, if your argument is that racial/cultural bias can influence elections for the worse, should you not also account for how Trump steamrolled Republicans who were taking the election seriously, winning on a platform of shallow and childish ideas fueled by racial animosity that niches of white people held towards Mexicans, Blacks, Muslims, etc?

I'm with you there as laws are. But no one mentioned those two things you just said. By lawlessness I meant that such a system would incentivize illegal immigration to a ridiculous degree and there would be no punishment for the crime after they succeed. I somehow doubt they would vote for republicans even if they capitulate on the border. That is without them becoming like democrats. And their previous voters' ideals... well tough luck lol. >Either state you want to suspend jus soli or get off the pot. Well I myself think the "battle" is already lost. Anything to change course would cause an immoral action towards someone undeserving. But I got bogged down. I already said what I wanted now I'm just responding. If your father robs the bank you don't keep the money. Anything bad the child experiences is on the father. Not that I would enjoy that lol. Well it's better for you. Are you a democrat? I just think it's a victory not based on any argument. What you're talking about shouldn't be of much significance unless you're saying all republican run a campaign like that every election. You're also yourself saying that it affects only niches.

What are you talking about? It's totally the Democrats' fault that they don't want to completely shut down legal immigration and join the Trump-led Republicans in calling all incoming Mexicans rapists and all Muslims terrorists. America First! America First! America Fir-- https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/binghamton-ny-ku-klux-klan-stages-an-america-first-parade-in-ny-picture-id514702614 fuck, wait It's a good thing that's not happening now, righ-- https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/kkk-rally-720.jpg Yeah, it's definitely Democrats manipulating demographics and that's why everyone who isn't white is voting for them.

Trump has deported less illegal immigrants than Obama has at the same point in his presidency so I don't think this narrative of democrats being weak on immigration is entirely rock solid.

If it did incentevize it then we've been compromised for a hundred years. Unless you're talking to the Dixiecrats and their ilk, I suppose, who'd spin a narrative of 'but we never should've allowed immigration to begin with because it's damaging the white race' in a congressionally approved and funded study (no shit there actually is one that states this). Anyone, in my mind, who calls for a suspension of jus soli is immediately no longer acting in the interests of America as a country and society.

It's like how people believe Democrats are weak on military despite increasing the military budget almost every single year. Despite the supposed power and breadth of the "liberal media" a lot of falsehoods regarding the Democrats have entered into conventional wisdom

Yeah but if the LIEberals weren't manipulating the media America would be even further right and would be much better. The trains might even run on time. And Killary Shillton would be in jail as would other political dissidents, as God intended. Hey wait a sec fuck

That's a terrible analogy, implying that returning stolen money is a punishment a more apt analogy would be "if your father robs a bank, you go to jail" but that's far less agreeable isn't it?

Or even better: If your father robs a bank and buys a bunch of shit, including stuff for you, when he gets caught the police aren't going to confiscate your shit. Because nobody would realistically punish a child that way. They would just penalize the father for it.

I'd put it as 'If you were born in a stolen bank vault, does that make you a thief'?

Holy shit dude your mom must have been one swole ass lady.

Hey, at least she didn't steal the entire bank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFmhCRITOak