Half a million #MarchForOurLives protesters rally in Washington DC - Polidicks

I would assume that this country has some way of tracking and logging gun and ammunition purchases from stores and the like. If not then this country is just fucked I guess.

You know people can make ammo right.

So fucked the problem that allegedly makes it fucked is constantly on the decline, even.

This seems like a broad generalization to me. Speeding is illegal because it's dangerous, but the rates at which you are allowed to travel differs drastically based on geography and road conditions. If we legislated based on the lowest common denonominator, getting a drivers license to drive on a public road would be virtually impossible because there are almost certainly 10 people incapable of operating a motor vehicle, let alone at the speed limit of the nearest highway.

IIRC black powder is easy to make. Smokeless not so much?

And then the people who have guns will keep their guns, and the people who are going to use those guns to shoot up crowded buildings and schools are going to be able to. The only way to seriously reduce the number of mass shootings in this country is to implement a buyback. It worked just fine for australia Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummet..

Tracking and logging works when the firearms are purchased legally. You still have to account for stolen firearms, under-the-counter trades, homemade(craft?) produced firearms, and firearms which are exported from other regions without serial numbers. For most criminals, firearms are readily available on the black market, and with the internet being the source of information that is, the black market is only growing.

Even then like, how do you keep track of ammo? Just tell them you used it all and threw away the casings if they come to confiscate, for example.

I'm not saying that as a counter to what you said about ammo, which I am sure is easy as hell to produce yourself.

It does not work all that well stateside. Many individuals, hell some of my own friends and family, goto those buybacks and setup stalls which purchase said weapons with cash, precious metals, and gemstones. Most people do not want a $100 giftcard to Red Lobster, they want money, and when someone is saying they'll give you $150 per gun, you sorta get screwed over in the long run.

Both are easy to produce. You just need the know-how. Hell, with some simple ingenuity, I'd imagine you could probably make ANFO with pigeon crap, moonshine, and rendered animal fat.

"Worse" is a subjective view in this regard. How many of those guns were used to fire on someone compared to the whole?

Yeah people say that because its the motivating factor for violent crime. Guess what, if people didnt have a motive, they wouldnt do the crime. Whoa. I'm pretty sure firearm homicides have been on the decline for 20 years.

This is probably the fifth time I've heard this argument. Why ban guns if criminals can still get them? You're right, why have laws in place if people are going to break them anyway. Why even have laws in the first place? God damn it. This entire discussion is going nowhere. Any time someone tries to discuss gun control people respond with the exact same arguments. Either "cars are just as dangerous as guns you gonna ban all cars too????????" or "if we ban guns people are just gonna steal them so why have laws period??????????" This is a waste of time for everybody involved. I think I'm done with this. I'm gonna go drink a bottle of ibuprofen and take a nap.

Your point has been brought up far more than a fifth time in this thread and each time it was taken apart.

Your suggestions would immediately cause a civil war to break out.

I fully believe that if we banned everything that isn't a literal antique we'd still see OG gang-man and his homies rolling down the street in donked out devilles with 5 or 6 blunderblusses strapped to their chests like honorable road pirates doing broadsides on each other to see who the baddest baller on the block is honestly it sounds kinda fun, if we ban guns I might have to join a gang

Certainly working a lot better than you lot.

...Cars?

have stricter acquisition and operating and modification laws than guns

For the last time, if people can't have their guns regulated without starting a shooting spree, they shouldn't have them to begin with. My points haven't been taken apart so much as they have been responded to with 'no ur dumb' and when I ask 'ok what do you suggest' the answer is 'don't do anything' so I'm starting to lose sight of the point of even trying to argue anymore. Every single person here, myself included, is so entrenched in their views that nothing anybody ever says will ever be able to convince them to slightly change their minds. Every single anti-gun argument is responded to with nothing but whataboutisms. So fuck it. I'm gonna go swallow a bottle of ibuprofen and take a nap. It'll probably be better for my blood pressure.

I'm pretty sure firearm homicides have been on the decline for 20 years. It's extremely hard to get a specific number on this because the NRA has been lobbying the CDC for decades to make sure they don't have anywhere near the amount of money to do actual full studies of the amount of gun violence in the US.

Or because the 2nd amendment is part of the bill of rights and it being completely retracted would be incredibly concerning and the government busting in to take them would be a genuine employment of the point of that amendment?

Pretty sure the homicide statistic comes from the FBI, not the CDC

Im not entirely sure what you mean. On the whole, less people are dying from guns, while mass shooting events are getting worse, these things are both true.

so if less people are dying from guns that means less people have an excuse to own them or what are you getting at?

And yet it's still significantly less than the number of people killed by slaps and punches.

I would hardly call a buyback 'busting in to take them.'

You were saying confiscation.

what bruce lee motherfucker kills 58 people with slaps and punches