• emotions are high at border over Trump's order to National Guard
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https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2018/04/10/emotions-high-over-trumps-order-send-national-guard/505351002/ Sorry about the title. The new title length is WAY too short.
its base stroking at its worst, national guard cannot enforce US law on US soil, they're literally standing around while the what, 12,000 person strong army of boarder agents is doing their job
The National Guard troops will not be arresting migrants or carrying out armed patrols along the border, The Washington Post reported this week. The Post said the guardsmen will provide air support through drones and helicopters, help maintain roads and other infrastructure, and clear vegetation, among other tasks. Looks like they will just be used as backup for the border patrol, just helping them do their job. Kind of seems like a waste of money since border crossings has slowed down.
Pretty sure the National Guard can, while the US army can not. They send in the national guard to enforce curfews after disasters for example.
Pretty sure that is a special circumstance different than day-to-day border patrolling.
I don't think it matters to the Posse Comitatus Act.
Does not apply to the national guard, only the military.
Yes? That is the point of the discussion we have been having.
The posse comitatus act has no bearing on this whatsoever, so bringing it up is irrelevant. The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard or the AirNational Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Are these troops Trump is sending being federalized? If so, then this applies.
Pretty sure that's not true, as the National Guard was used during the massive Detroit Riots in the '60s, I think, and they arrested people.
Gee, it's almost like I said it doesn't matter to Posse Comitatus. Literally the post you quoted dude. It's only one sentence, I would have presumed you read it.
Too bad Trump cannot treat them as enemy combatants. They come here to smuggle drugs which kill our citizens.
Not from the looks of it. They will just be cooperating with border patrol, but not federalized. I appologize. I've been a little foggy these past few days.
Honestly dude I can see why he called you out on it though. The way you wrote it implied that the Posse Comitatus didn't differentiate between the US Army and the US National Guard.
According to you and assholes who think just like you, the fact that they're over here illegally, even if just being here illegally is the ONLY crime they've committed, is all the excuse you need to chuck 'em back over the wall, which is an incredibly narrow-minded way of looking at the issue.
Legally speaking, that's exactly what is suppose to happen. You can argue the moral or ethical part of it all you want, but the law views them as criminals at the end of the day.
My point is they act like them being here illegally is somehow equivalent to people who come here (legally or otherwise) and commit OTHER crimes on top of that. They use it to paint a narrative of fear and it's bullshit.
Are you saying that breaking a law is not the same as breaking a law?
I'm not straining to hide anything. Would you like to explain to me why immigration laws are bullshit?
I know you're addressing the first sentence, but do try and read the second as well.
I read it. I've not seen anyone in here explicitly do that, so it's a moot point.
Oh well if it was never said in this forum then it's never happened before. 9_9
I mean, you were specifically replying to someone in this forum.
"and assholes who think just like you" Not "and everyone else here who thinks just like you", not "and other FP-ers who think just like you", but "and assholes who think just like you". Sing it with me now, just follow the bouncing ball!
Because you said "YOU" before "and assholes who think just like you". Your post includes and directly accuses the poster. Do you have any other alternative facts to present to me, or are you going to just admit that you were implying a whole lot and strawmanning what he said?
I just don't get how fiscal conservatives can look at rounding up and deporting/imprisoning illegal immigrants who've committed no violent crimes is a good use of federal money. Honestly, I consider myself a little right of center when it comes to fiscal policy and I think that rounding non-violent criminals up to be a huge fucking waste of money
Other than people who just forgot to renew their documents or DACA recipients, why shouldn’t we send them back? I’m talking about the people who didn’t bother to go through any processes were just smuggled across the border specifically. There’s still legitimate issues with them like getting paid under the table and driving around without a license or insurance.
I'm starting to understand why my reading comprehension scores on my SATs were so much higher than the national average...
That's a bit off-topic, but I would never have guessed. Good for you.
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