Iran threatens Israel with 'annihilation' over growing involvement in Syria - Polidicks

Oh man, you made me remember the term "humanitarian bombing".

Stop trying to paint an entire nation as some sort of mega evil entity. Stop trying to look for a hollywood movie villain. I, like the majority of Iranians, do not support the government there but you can not blame the population nor the government for not liking the UK and US after all the meddling that they have done for over a century. "Extremist boiling point" my hairy fucking ass. I've been to Iran and while Islam is undoubtedly prevalent, the first thing people do when they come home and close the blinds is to say "Fuck the government, and fuck Islam". The only world view you have is the one fed to you judging by your words and you seem oblivious to the fact that the majority of Iranians are people trying to live their lives like everybody, else but you make it sound like it is fucking Mordor.

The Iranian people, the Israeli people, and the Palestinian people do not want war, but their heads of state sure do, and they are doing one hell of a job gas-lighting their own citizens (Natalie Portman to pull an instance out of my ass).

the problem is one of geography though. the golan heights really keep either side from simply blitzing across the boarder, even with a weakened damascus they probably have tons of mines and artillery stuck around there to stop any crossings

I understand buffer zones, but they always stroke me as a bit odd, like "here's this tiny bit of land that is owned by us, and militarized by us, but make the border color different so they know it's just a buffer zone and not us". Is Iran why they haven't claimed total control over it, or do they plan on eventually returning that land to Syria?

idk about that but the golan heights are and always have been a natural bulwork between Israel and Syria, without outside assistance both sides have to pass through them while getting attacked by the other side

Yeah that's right, Israel is just scheming to take over Syria as soon as they get the chance. That's some serious tinfoil shit dude.

It's complicated. Unlike the West Bank, the Israeli Golan (the part of the Golan occupied by Israel) is fully annexed by Israel, with all citizens in it (Arabs and Druze included) having Israeli citizenship. The one exception to this is that some of the Druze in the region preferred not to get Israeli IDs so while they are fully accepted as Israeli citizens they have the legal status of permanent residents and are allowed to pass and trade across the border. They don't now that there's a civil war over there, of course. And while the majority of the population is Jewish, almost no one there (non-Jews included) would rather be a Syrian. Especially not now. Also, the Golan isn't really a militarized zone. At least not primarily. It's mostly nice towns, agriculture and tourist spots. As for giving it back to Syria, that was on the table back in the 90s when peace negotiations with Syria seemed to be heading towards a permanent solution, and the option to return the Golan was serious enough that residents of the Golan started a campaign to try and get the rest of Israel to reject such a deal. At the time it seemed likely they won't succeed, but the talks fell apart and here we are today. Right now with Iran turning Syria into another proxy staging area against Israel in addition to Lebanon it seems highly unlikely there's any possibility of Israel considering giving them even easier access into the heart of Israel. https://www.gettingstamped.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/What-to-do-in-Israel-Visit-Golan-Heights-1.jpg

People supported the Islamic Revolution for a myriad of factors, including obviously the West's aggressive imperialism and forceful deposing of the only democratic government Iran ever had. I guess you were preaching for a black and white view but still.

Doesn't make it correct Also its a bit weird to get angry about losing democracy only to then willingly lose it

I think even as bad as modern day Iran might be it's better than it was under the Shah

The Iranian revolution was also a lot to do with dissatisfaction with the Shah and a demand for progressive policy, greater freedoms and democracy. (along with anti imperial sentiment etc). It only became 'Islamic' later. Iranian people aren't just inherently dumb and decided they wanted hardline oppression.

When the National Front was elected and then subsequently kicked out people weren't content with living under a dictatorship again, it was forced upon them by the force of perpetual kindess. My dad, my uncles, my family, participated in the revolts not to give the finger to the west, even though that is the narrative that you are sticking with, they did it because they wanted democracy. You think my dad and my one uncle risked their lives so that they can throw themselves under Islam, a religion that they never followed? My family and many others supported a revolution, but not an Islamic one, in the chaos that ensues during a revolution it isn't surprising to see someone worse take the previous leader's place, especially not when the ones trying to take over are backed by kindness, as you put it.

I'm pretty sure anyone referring to Iran as "evil" here means the Iranian regime rather than the people of Iran, in much the same way that when people, uh, shall we say strongly disagree with what the US, Israel or the west in general are doing don't usually mean every single citizen of the west is supportive of or responsible for the actions of their governments.

I understand that and assume so 99% of the time, but the way some people conduct themselves in this thread they sound like borderline zealots hell bent on vanquishing the eternal evil that is Iran.

Well, if it helps I'm Israeli and I'm positive most Iranians are cool. I just hope we manage not to annihilate each other for long enough for everyone to start getting along. Or at least hate each other in more passive aggressive like we do with Egypt instead of trying to get everyone to murder each other all the time.

I'm fairly certain Israel would just nuke it's agressors if they were on the losing side of a conventional war.

Yeah but as we and iran are definitely well aware of Israel totally doesn't have any nukes. Nope, not at all. Absolutely zilch. Completely radiation free. Certainly zero and I mean zero super top secret nuclear weapons development programs at all or anywhere. Nothing they could totally use to atomize Iran the millisecond they declare war.

Always though Israeli nukes were common knowledge. Pretty much WHY Iran hasn't remotely tried to directly attack Israel because the Israeli's basically have a "Fuck you." contingency in nuking the fuck out of their country to deny the enemy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

yeah no, if we didnt use nukes in 67 and 73, its pretty much confirmed that we'd never use nukes unless genocide was at stake