Dem congressman: Force gun owners to get rid of assault weapons - Polidicks

So it's the socialist country's fault that the United States seeks to destroy them for actually being good to the working class?

Any good examples?

Do you even know what assisted suicide is? Like what does gun suicide have to do with assisted suicide lol

not very helpful and just giving the NRA soundbites to fuel their paranoia machine

Don't be an ass like you usually are in these kinds of threads. Actually try to hold some kind of scholastic debate. I'm sure what he meant was that gun numbers are inflated by suicide numbers, he would like to offer someone a more legitimate alternative via assisted suicide. Because he supports the idea of letting people end their own life on their own terms, the numbers presented as "gun deaths" a la suicide don't hold weight in a gun control debate.

I dunno, to me it's not that important that there's another one around. What matters is that they're preserved bits of the past which still serve a purpose. They aren't hurting anyone sitting around - nobody is robbing gas stations with those things - and as long as someone is around that can take care of them and preserve them why target them? Time and happenstance take enough of a toll on our history without people actively seeking to destroy bits of it. Besides, museums aren't the only places for these things. Some of the rifles I can identify in that picture are over a century old and I can recognize at least one very low production prototype, and at least three that actively took part in our nation's history. There's just no reason to destroy that stuff, man. It doesn't make sense. I don't get squeamish about them because they're guns, I get squeamish because they're historic. Pointless destruction of classic cars, historic buildings, and other antiquities make my stomach churn the same way. This shit just won't be around forever. I get the argument that if we preserve everything ever we'll run out of room fast but we aren't really at that point. There's plenty of room for all of those in the hands of people who will appreciate and learn from them. It's just senseless. You wanna destroy 10,000 of last year's AR-15s, I don't really give a shit. You're only wasting your own money. But don't prey on antiques.

This. I believe suicide for the most part is inherently a problem, but not for the reasons most people see it as such. I believe we should allow assisted suicide, as it's far less traumatic compared to using a gun, rope, or handful of pills. Either way, people must have the right to control their own existence. If they feel it's time for them to go, who are we to demand them to stay? If they wish to go, and think it out fully, it's better to let em' go.

Sorry but assisted suicide is nothing like mental illness-induced suicidal tendencies. Suicide should be included in the gun statistics just like they are for knives, planes, anything. It's only fair to look at the sheer number of things caused by an item and evaluate why that might be. I fear you guys simply do not like the result of such analysis.

Normally I don't invoke this argument but by this logic we actually should ban cars and bridges. And lakes. I think you're only saying this because it's convenient for your agenda and not because you've thought critically about it. As usual.

Uh, when did I say we should ban fucking anything? What the fuck lol

No you aren't. You're adjusting the facts in a useful way. You can't count suicide in gun violence statistics, that doesn't make any sense and it's only done to inflate the numbers. Gun suicides should be counted with every other type of suicide to say, "hey, we have a suicide problem." Because Japan doesn't have a "rope problem" even though its leading cause of death in suicide is hanging. You are bashing statistics together to make them scarier.

I'm so sick of my property being threatened by know nothing politicians seeking brownie points from uneducated constituents by pushing feel good laws that accomplish nothing other than a reduction in freedoms and liberties.

That's why u do market socialism Yugoslav supreme baby https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/215602/b8acab19-52ef-4ff2-b0ab-056063ab23a5/2UN-6a2U.png

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm biased as fuck as you will read below: Having worked a couple of years with treating multi handicapped people(both physical and cerebral defects) you will at some point realize that life is not sacred and every life isn't worth living. If some of them had a voice or even the necessary brain function to understand the concept of death I swear all some of them would be saying is please fucking kill me I'm not proud of this standpoint and I quickly found another job when I started thinking like that but I do carry that realisation with me wherever I go. If you take my thinking and project it on functioning people with suicidal tendencies you have to wonder how life feels from their perspective. Some people really aren't cut out for this world. Some people will be lonely forever, unable to adapt to society and make meaningful connections because their mental wiring simply doesn't allow it. There are people, good people, that out of nowhere has lost touch with reality and destroyed everything they had, even killed their own kin in a psychotic episode they had no control over, because that's just how they were born and wired. So many things can go wrong in the brain and make life so misserrable that death really is the preferred option. If a soldier kills himself before capture by a barbaric enemy who can blame him? How is the above any different?

It's still pretty fucking immoral to assist people in suicide when there are ways that we could change ourselves or help them. It's giving them an easy out, which will inevitably lead to people just wanting to kill themselves because society gives so little of a shit that they literally started making suicide booths

Just trying to illustrate that morals get a bit vague when you enter existentialist territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Don%27t_They%3F_(novel) This novel says what i'm trying to get at leagues better than i ever could if you like thinking about stuff like this. linking the wiki cause the summary actually gets the point across

Don't really understand how a shitty person with a shitty life and shitty perceptions is unfixable. It isn't like it's moral to shoot a horse simply because it broke its leg (implicitly because it can't race anymore)

Yea, racism is a big part of that. Ever wonder why missing minorities are disgustingly under reported by mass media? Ever wonder why legislation is only proposed if straight whites are killed en masse instead of blacks or gays? Nothing changed after the Dylan Roof shooting or the Pulse club shooting. Nobody in power cares if gays or blacks are shot. School full of white kids get slaughtered? Oh fuck better do something about that. Despite that the vast majority of gun violence victims are thousands of Blacks and Hispanics and their homicides commited with handguns, nothing is ever done about it. Weird right? But 17 whites get shot in an individual instance, oh shit better pass legislation in the next session. So, the people in power got to decide; either they only care when white kids get shot, or they dont care at all. The legislations thats been/tried to be passed only addresses shootings in which whites are the victims. The only thing ever been done to cull minority violence is fruitless city bans and the Brady laws.

Nothing changed after Sandy Hook either, mostly whites who died. People are enamored by their guns and as a result refuse to give any ground in their freedoms out of fear that their beloved destruction tool will be made harder for them to get, many appealing to a slippery slope argument to justify not allowing common sense reforms like licensing. I don't think it's about race at all as much as about the culture that surrounds guns. At least, that's why there's no political pressure to do anything, to be honest the legislators probably give zero fucks about anything as long as they manage to get re-elected and get donor monor.

After Sandy Hook there was a bill that very nearly passed that would have been the most restrictive piece of legislation ever to make it on the books in the US. Theres always an attempt to make change when whites die, very rarely is there one when blacks die.

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That number is overinflated. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls Most of these groups like to include people shot by police, or self defense cases as "victims of gun violence" to pad the numbers. Oh, and will you look at that? Hands, fists, and feet kill more people per year than rifles!

Antiques should never end up on the chopping block. Put em in a museum or something. Nobody's going to commit a crime with an StG-44.

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It would be more funny if it didn't hurt so much being true. So many people say that stuff nowadays it makes me want to scream.

I'm not aware of any state in which you can use deadly force in any situation but a threat to your life or a home invasion. But texas is texas so maybe you can defend miscellaneous personal property with deadly force there. Say you have a CCW in MN, if you are attacked and you draw and/or use your firearm and the assailant flees you cannot fire at them let alone kill them. You would get the goddamn book thrown at you, you would have to call the police and explain the situation, especially because you don't want "man with gun" calls to come in first.

I hear it a lot from people who's only experience with a gun is that their family had a musket over their fireplace. Then when you explain current laws and how we already have p.much everything they supposedly want, it always goes back to stupid shit like, "what about all those nasty things like assault weapons?? the founding fathers didn't even know about repeating firearms!" it just... fucking hurts. Also another image that comes to mind that causes the feels is that one image regarding not committing suicide because it'd make you a statistic for anti-gun campaigners.

Not only that, but gangbangers are already barred from possesing firearms to begin with, as they're all convicted felons.

At this point there is literally zero incentive for gun owners to compromise on anything, and every reason to believe that any piece of new legislation will be used as a stepping-stone for further restriction. One of the recent Parkland student rallies involved a speaker literally saying 'give us an inch and we'll take a mile', for fuck's sake. The claim that opposition to gun control is a paranoiac slippery slope argument used to carry more weight back when you didn't have politicians explicitly advocating for incremental steps towards confiscation and mass bans. Don't even try to pull the gun culture card. It's gun control advocates, Democrats specifically, who have turned gun legislation into culture war ('ban assault weapons!!111!') rather than a fact-driven assessment of our country's problems. If a politician were to get on the ballot advocating for restriction of handguns while simultaneously taking real measures to address inner-city poverty and proposing measures against straw purchase, I'd vote for them, even as a 'gun nut', because that politician would be demonstrating an understanding of where our country's gun problem lies.

Again I think Texas is the only state that has this exception if they have stolen property.