Trump has decided to pull out of Iran nuclear deal
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Like Hillary Mlinton or Bernie Manders.
Instead you got a right Mump
lmao that's like me telling you it must be easy to be a gay person in the US while gay people in Iran are fucking terrified for their lives or the transgender equivalent of that, it's meaningless. Ask any israeli rn and they'll tell you clearly that what I said is correct, Iran's actions in syria right now have little to nothing to do with the nuclear deal. I have israeli citizenship, was born in Israel, and I have much more sympathy for Israeli lives than the average american Jew, esp when American Jews come up with kapo organizations like If Not Now and Jstreet, both who have honored anti semitic terrorists.
My take on israel is pretty close to the likudnik take on things and I know what I'm talking about in regards to things.
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Jesus, I cannot wait until the day when Trump-induced tribalism in politics goes away and people go back to taking the issues seriously outside the lens of "triggered libtards".
Must be at least partly because (intentional or not) how sites like Youtube try to show you stuff related to what you just saw, it's like all the big sites are echo chamber manufacturers.
So if you cared for them. You support removing a deal that will further destabilize the Middle East. Possibly pushing Iran to building an actual nuclear missile. Further hostilities between the middle eastern neighbors of Israel instead of trying to approach from a diplomatic angle. And possibly ignite a war that'll make the Iraq War/War against ISIS look like a water balloon fight.
Yes Iran funds terrorists, yes it has done bad shit, but it has been slowly improving due to the presence of a pretty liberal younger generation. But this chance of them changing went down the fucking drain cause of the removal of this deal. Which will further cut off this younger generation to the rest of the outside world, leaving them to be victimized by its Islamic government and cause the creation of more radical islamists. Eventually this is going to boil over into a full on war or civil war that will once again consume the middle east. Possibly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not, millions of people in the process. The irony of your logic is that it'll actually cause this hypothetical devastating war between Iran and Israel instead of preventing it, and probably cause far more deaths of Israelites, Arabs, Iranians, and other people across the Middle East due to further deterioration of relations between one another. And persecution of minorities will grow to ISIS levels of fucked up.
Tbqh. I rather go for another 20-30 years and let the relations repair slowly overtime, and possibly a number of people will be killed due to terrorists, out of fear/hatred of the improving relations. Instead of having millions of innocent lives ruined in a devastating war by your extreme paranoia of Iran.
I'm skeptical that Iran will improve, esp considering how hard they cracked down on the Persian spring in 2009. The government itself might be slightly more moderate or slightly more hardline depending on elections but there havent been any real major changes since the Islamic Revolution. I'm currently reevaluating my stance on the iran deal and i cant really answer your question about the nuclear missile bit since its essentially a nuke now or a nuke later and idk what to think about that. There isn't going to be a direct war between iran and israel, Israel cant reach all the way to Iran, it's going to be a war with 3 fronts, Lebanon/Gaza/Syria, and mostly against Hezbollah/Hamas/Iranian forces in syria.
realistically, only bibi and the hardliners in iran won, bibi gets the economic sanctions on iran that he wants and the hardliners in iran get the fuel for their anti western rhetoric, idk how to feel about this
https://twitter.com/MikeDorning/status/993959164216037376
The dealmaker at work, throwing out existing deals with no plan B.
Wow. That's fucked.
Was going to post something about this earlier but the Iran sanctions have cost Boeing and Airbus (since it uses US contractors) ~$39-$40 billion in deals. Also going to mess up business plans from GE and Volkswagen, and drive up gas prices.
Furthermore I can see this being used to push the Iranian populous more against the US as they'll see it as a betrayal, even though they're pretty pro US, damaging relations for years to come.
Hopefully the rest of the world can see through this petty bullshit and keep the lines of modernization and stablization to Iran open.
No one will want anything to do with America at this rate. We've just clearly demonstrated that we're not to be trusted or you'll get assfucked in the market.
I'd ask my dad about this since he works for Boeing, but he's a Libertarian who votes GOP (but not Trump). He'd probably talk about how bad the Iran deal was or something
Do they offer brown pants in the Israeli army?
I don't know why you don't know how to feel about this, this just seems bad for everyone in the region.
Also every intelligence service of every other signer of the agreement. Also Trump's Secretary of State, Director of National Intelligence, and Secretary of Defense all say Iran is honoring the deal.
How ironic, all this talk about America getting jobs and money, and yet he seems totally fine with this.
Putin and co. must be laughing their asses off. Helping elect this cheeto man is working quite well in undermining America.
The point of the iranian deal was two fold:
Keep nukes away from Iran for as long as possible.
Through trade, support the growing pro western youth that would surely come to influence iranian politics at some point.
And you can be sceptical about the iranian regimes intent, and yes, Iran were still funding terrorist during the last three years... but here's the thing. Even if you beleive that Iran would develope nukes when the deal was originally set to "expire", that still would have given us more time to atleast be ready for that. Because of Trump, Iran can start developing nukes RIGHT NOW. Which, I hope we can agree, is less than 10 years. Not to mention, Trump just threw the entire pro western movement in Iran under the bus, more than likely ensuring that more people from the new generation, aliniated as they have been by the west, will turn to doctrine the state mandates.
And all of this, throwing out years of diplomatic work, further reducing whatever standing America had with their allies and the rest of the world, a complete devastation of the diplomatic power the USA once had, what was it all for? What was the end game here? Make a new deal? Well, that will require Trump to convince everyone that he just pissed off, and who seem to be more interested in keeping the old deal on life support, to join him in another round of negotiations that could take years to accomplish... exactly what was just thrown away?
The anti Iran deal group, in my opinion, has one very big flaw, a flaw that they share with the Brexiters; they don't have a plan. They don't know what comes next.
And in the end, all this has accomplished is possibly starting a nuclear arms race in the middle east and made it so that no nation will be as eager to make deals with America, because why do that when that deal might be dropped in four years? You see what a clusterfuck this has created for American diplomacy? And the possible consequences the rest of the world has to deal with as well? I don't think it is unreasonable to say that this is yet another step towards China taking Americas place as the dominiating power in the world.
I don't quite understand the idea behind those actions, we think they might be going to attack us, so we'll attack them first, so now they'll definitely attack us
I honestly think that won't happen. What happened since 2015 or earlier was essentially a Pandora's Box opening. Unlike the myth where eventually Pandora's Box was closed, these people are trying to destroy the lid and are hoping for the moment when they can kill liberals or do something about that problem. It isn't that the box can't be closed, but the people who opened it want it to stay open for good, make it the new normal.
Also, what did that tweet say about Midterms (sorry, won't go into that shithole). All I saw was the typical most likely hate boner towards Hillary.
Yeah... not sure I can agree on that.
I agree that Israel's main concern with Iran is it's ongoing bolstering of Hezbollah in Lebanon and its establishing itself militarily in Syria, both of which are a huge strategic risks to Israel that are increasing by the moment.
And yeah, a lot of the resistance to the nuclear deal by Israel comes from the fact that unshackled from sanctions Iran has much more freedom and resources to invest in this huge strategic effort to put as much military force as they can on Israel's northern border.
But regardless of how justified Israel's operations against Iranian activity in Syria are (living in Israel's north I for one think they are justified), we've just seen Israel not only performing but boasting a chain of very public actions against Iran, from attacking the Iranian air base in Syria and killing Iranian soldiers and commanders there to stealing a boatload of secret documents and showing them off on national television, and to top it all off helping get the nuclear deal cancelled.
And while Iran could sort of pretend not to notice previous Israeli strikes as long as Israel didn't admit or deny them, there's no way they'll be able to let all this slide without a response. A meaningful one.
And right now, for the first time in a very long time, Iran actually has troops right across the border from Israel. And they still have Hezbollah. And they all have lots and lots of missiles.
So yeah. I'm not too happy about the way our government or yours are handling this. It's a fucking powder keg on the verge of exploding and it looks like everyone just wants to see it go off.
Fuck you all. I live here. I don't enjoy seeing craters in my driveway.
I'm concerned this type of American undermining will go horribly right for Russia. It will ironically do more than weaken the US at a national or/and international level, it's going to cause something to break catastrophically, and Russia will feel the repercussions without any benefits. I fear an existential crisis is going to occur in the future, the US or/and Russia is going to pull a "who's laughing now?" scenario caused by the overwhelming number of rabbit holes filled with persistent problems. No amount of name calling, anger, mockery, hope can fix.
The internet populous constantly cries wolf about WW3, the predictions, the reactions to the scenario reduces the seriousness towards the outcome. The constant false alarm predictions, everyday could lead to nuclear war. The rabbit hole deep political absurdist dilemma the US is facing treated as a form of mocking entertainment more than a serious outcome, its causes and effects will lead to unintended consequences. Ironically all this could be making a nuclear war a more likely scenario on top of all these persistent national and international problems. I have this speculative feeling with how things are, a civilization ending event will occur, like a nuclear war in the future.
Am confused. What does this mean?
the reason I said that is because this becoming less of Iran attacking Israel and more Iran responding to Israel's attacks, this is similar to Israel's previous attacks on the Syrian army, which only went unpunished because the Syrian army was not able to take on a full war in case it happened and also because Russia has no benefit of a war with Israel, except in this case Iran is more than willing and capable of taking such a war
It is briefly mentioned in the article that the US will block any transactions done between EU and Iran that goes via the US (which seems to be common) but the new US ambassador to Germany already warned us (Germans) to get outta Iran:
https://www.voanews.com/a/new-us-ambassador-berlin-warns-german-businesses-leave-iran/4385757.html
Furthermore, Trump threatened to sanction any nation that would continue to 'support' Iran. This could just mean nations like China or Russia but given Trump's past rhetoric and targets, he could well start telling the EU to get outta the deal as well.
I doubt you'll see anything as serious as WW3, more likely the US will lose a lot of influence internationally and places like Russia and China will gladly fill that void.
But just like Donny boy says, "America first (and israel too)"
I remember when The Simpson's joke of the Republican party "We only want what's worst for everyone!" and "We're just plain evil!" was a humorous exaggeration.
It's fascinating how so many of the decisions made by the Trump admin are choices that only benefit Russia.
Well when you're one of the world major superpowers and suddenly decide you want to be isolationist that kind of automatically helps your rivals.
Imagine what things would be like if we had a politician as a president.
Shit, even an effective Republican. That'd go far against a lot of my beliefs and it would really suck to have an effective lawmaker pushing against what I believe in, but I'd have way more hope for the future of the country decades from now than I do currently. I'd happily take it any day over this goddamn disaster.
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