• Trump has decided to pull out of Iran nuclear deal
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The US congress WAS behind it. Insisting they weren't is flat out historical revisionism. People can't take bald faced ignorant lies like yours seriously.
Death to Iran
Cute, you gonna burn an Iranian flag too?
I might actually, gotta see if amazon has any with prime shipping
that'll really show em
Excuse me, what? They had a deal, were following the deal, then the orange prick gets his seat and tears it up. No fucking shit iran is livid. How would you feel if you signed a lease, payed your rent on time every month, then your landlord just throws your shit outside and changes the locks while charging you for it saying its your fault because you didnt pay. We lied to them, its no wonder they would hate us even more now. Legit, have you even wondered WHY Iran hates us. Do you understand the history of the US and Iran. Theres a reason Iran doesn't say "death to canada" or "death to the uk".
Another consequence of this is that Rouhani, which already was facing problems due how bad is going the economy in Iran, is going to be greatly weakened. The hardliners always were agaisnt this deal saying that the americans couldn't be trusted and sadly Trump have made them right, so expect seeing a reborn of extremism once he falls. I really hope the European Union can salvage as they can the situation, because with both Israel going full Israel on possible threats and Saudi Arabia saying that they might have to develop a nuclear bomb as well for self defense, the whole situation looks terrible. I wouldn't be surprise if a major war suddenly erupts like other times there.
Rocket alarms are going off all over Israel's north.
i'm fairly certain a lot of the resentment for Iran, and this Iranian Nuclear Deal in particular, is the false impression that Iran is 'getting away with it', that they're somehow not being brought to justice (even though that was never the intention of the deal) and that the US needs to deal with them "THE GOOD OL' FASHIONED WAY OF WAR!" i firmly believe that the opponents of this deal won't be satisfied until Iran is a smoking irradiated crater
Most of my conservative friends just think Iran isn't following through with the deal cause their Iran and Russia's boyfriend. Its difficult to fight preconceptions but everything from the intellgience and international community says they have been. Its just more neglecting fact based decision making and going on assumptions and emotion.
"Arguing about who can use the bathroom" Yes it's the democrat's fault people are transphobic, absolutely.
if facts are so good then why do I feel so suspicious of them, huh
Even if it was a ratified treaty signed by Congress the president can still unilaterally refuse to uphold it. Executive agreements are exponentially used more often than treaties anyway so it's not particularly unusual. Also first the deal was bad and now it's consequential but only because it makes the Obama administration look bad. Could you possibly be any more obvious? There are definitely people who want a war with Iran yesterday. People like Netanyahu and Bolton. These people are leading those who don't necessarily want a war but just want to see Iran punished because they don't like Iran. Then you have the people who want to back out of the deal purely to spite Obama's legacy when if anything it's going to reinforce it. Finally you have the people who support backing out of treaties designed to prevent nuclear weapons being proliferated in one of the most unstable regions in the world because it makes libtards on Reddit mad.
I think it would be justified that my landlord would be livid if I shat on the walls and blasted music every night. Iran essentially does that by continuing to fund terror, continuing research on ballistic misses, and increasing its military budget by 2.5 billion. I don't think you understand the history of the US and Iran if you actually think they are a moderate nation in the Middle East.
I'm gonna laugh if China and the EU fill in deal without the U.S, then we're gonna look really fucking dumb.
2.5 billion in military spending is nothing compared to the United States. Compared to Iran's chief rival in the region, Saudi Arabia, it's about half of what they increased their spending by from 2017 to 2018 alone.
or maybe it could mean iran isn't a person, it's a country. within it, and its government, there's different people. within the politics those people take part in, there's trends and influences, same as everywhere else. trump's petty attempt at a power play emboldens the anti-american nationalists, who (and this is a wild, wild guess) are probably the guys who joined into the whole "death to america" thing. the deal made cooperation with the west more politically viable, it didn't eliminate extremists. you don't trust iran? ok. but what you CAN always trust, is politicians seeking power. america's backing came with the promise of a brighter financial future, geopolitical stability, and a better seat for iran on the international stage. that's appealing to voters and politicians alike. those things would influence the pull moderate iranians have, and help them set the course for the country. let's not pretend it was ever meant to be night and day.
https://twitter.com/markets/status/993918860595290113 https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/993925544281628672 Funny how everything Trump does hurts America if it hurts anyone, and helps himself or Putin if it helps anyone. Must be a coincidence.
So why is it bad for Iran to even have nuclear power when we let places like Pakistan have all the nukes they want.
2.5 billion is baby shit considering even a small nation like Poland spends a couple billion more and isn't in the fucked middle east. No where did i fucking say they were moderate, what i'm telling you is that the history between the US and Iran is extremely fucked and its no wonder a country that has had it's political groups fucked in the ass by the US will still carry hate towards US. How would you feel if China uprooted your elected president and put their puppet in just to keep their oil. What about if you ordered 1.2 billion in fighter planes, but china kept the money and told you to fuck off afterwards. You are extremely ignorant to why Iran is so radicalized against the US, because we have been fucking their entire country for decades. Burning down this deal with put decades more of distrust between the US and Iran, and further embroil the radicals while turning the moderates/liberals. So excellent idea Reg, you tell me why the fuck Iran should even cooperate at this point. Its not like trumpy actually had a fucking backup plan or deal, this was just him wanting to remove whatever obama and other countries have done to try to stop a fucking nuclear arms race while improving relations.
There's a few major differences: 1) Pakistan may not be an ideal country, but they're head and shoulders above Iran. 2) Pakistan has a lasting conflict with India, who also has nukes. This allows MAD to take effect between the two countries. 3) Pakistan works closely with the US, and other western nations, when it comes to their nuclear program.
Call me crazy but saying Pakistan is "head and shoulders" above Iran seems like an outrageous statement, and that third point applies to Iran as well seeing as every inspection and investigation told us they were abiding by the terms of the deal. Iran also has a lasting conflict with Israel, who has nukes, so why can't they get their own.
Yes, the are absolutely "head and shoulders" above Iran. For starters, they aren't run by a theocracy. There's also a big difference between letting inspectors make sure you aren't secretly making nukes and working side by side the west. Pakistan welcomes US support in their nuke program, even to the point of the US playing an active role in helping to ensure Pakistani nuclear security. About the conflict: they aren't comparable. The Israeli/Iranian conflict is 100% dependent on Iranian sponsorship of terror groups and active threats against Israel. There's absolutely zero chance israel would go conquer Iran because of a border dispute like in the case of Pakistan and India.
Oh im sorry, I forgot, we removed an maybe up and coming dictator that the population was okay (till the secret coop) with, with a literal dictator the people were forced upon by a foreign nation at a time when Iran was sick of foreigners controlling them. Totally wasn't protecting petroleum assets, we were "liberating them", everyone just ignore it and it will go away. Did you forget the whole bit where the US did this: Mosaddegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. According to Dr. Donald N. Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mossadegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent, and stirring anti-Mossadegh sentiments within the religious community. or this: Soon, massive protests, engineered by Roosevelt's team, took place across the city and elsewhere with tribesmen paid to be at the ready to assist the coup. Anti- and pro-monarchy protesters, both paid by Roosevelt, violently clashed in the streets, looting and burning mosques and newspapers, leaving almost 300 dead. The pro-monarchy leadership, chosen, hidden and finally unleashed at the right moment by the CIA team, led by retired army General and former Minister of Interior in Mosaddegh's cabinet, Fazlollah Zahedi joined with underground figures such as the Rashidian brothers and local strongman Shaban Jafari, to gain the upper hand on 19 August 1953 (28 Mordad). The military joined on cue: pro-Shah tank regiments stormed the capital and bombarded the prime minister's official residence, on Roosevelt's cue, according to his book. Mosaddegh managed to flee from the mob that set in to ransack his house, and, the following day, surrendered to General Zahedi, who was meanwhile set up by the CIA with makeshift headquarters at the Officers' Club. Mosaddegh was arrested at the Officers' Club and transferred to a military jail shortly after. On 22 August, the Shah returned from Rome. It was a fucking secret coup set up by the foreign actors the man pointed out in the first place. Zahedi's new government soon reached an agreement with foreign oil companies to form a consortium and "restore the flow of Iranian oil to world markets in substantial quantities", giving the United States and Great Britain the lion's share of Iran's oil. In return, the US massively funded the Shah's resulting government, including his army and secret police force, SAVAK, until the Shah's overthrow in 1979. Why the hell would you cooperate with a fucking country who's stabbed your ass more times than you can count with both hands? Trump literally just ripped up an agreement they were following on a fucking whim. Are you literally this ignorant to not see the big picture, or have you drank that much coolaid that you can't understand the US is fucking stupid and has always been stupid when it comes to the middle east.
Oh, I don't deny that the nationalisation of the oil was the main reason of western interest, but there was also a real fear of Iran aligning with the communist bloc. I'm simply pointing out that Iran wasn't some hunky-dory peace loving democracy that was ruined by the US. They had a leader who was very quickly gaining autocratic power and who had the same sort of communistic interests that led to tens of millions of deaths in places like the USSR and Communist China. The country had already started to see the negative effects of his violent pushing of communal farming. As a side note, as far as dictators go, the shah was far better than Mosaddegh. The opposition of the religious heads didn't start because the US put the Shah into power, but because the Shah was making Iran too secular for their tastes. The US was the scapegoat.
The fear was one of the biggest oil supplies being controlled by it's own country, US/UK has always been fighting for that oil even in WW1 with the ottomans, way before the red scare. All the CIA fuckery had been going on way before the man was even elected. They had a leader who had a massive backing who consolidated power away from the ruling shah. Unless you're talking about later, when he was elected by council to have control for a set amount of time. Shah didn't like it and refused so he resigned, seeing no point in ruling if the shah still controls all the power in the first place. BTW that "consolidating power"? allowing the president to set up a chief of staff and minister of war. Things the US president already does. Oh, and about that collective farming: In January 1953, Mosaddegh successfully pressed Parliament to extend his emergency powers for another 12 months. With these powers, he decreed a land reform law that established village councils and increased the peasants' share of production. This weakened the landed aristocracy, abolishing Iran's centuries-old feudal agriculture sector, replacing it with a system of collective farming and government land ownership. Mosaddegh saw these reforms as a means of checking the power of the Tudeh Party, which had been agitating for general land reform among the peasants.However, during this time Iranians were "becoming poorer and unhappier by the day" thanks to the British boycott. As Mosaddegh's political coalition began to fray, his enemies increased in number. Wow, who knew iran being fucked by a foreign nation was hurting the people there. He increased freedom so much that the US backed his personal secret police that silenced any dissident. In 1963 and 1964, nationwide demonstrations against Mohammad Reza's rule took place all over Iran with the centre of the unrest being the holy city of Qom. It was students studying to be imams at Qom who were most active in the protests and Ayatollah Khomeini emerged as one of the leaders of the protests, giving sermons calling for the Shah's overthrow. At least 200 people were killed with the police throwing some students to their deaths from high buildings and Khomeini was exiled to Iraq in August 1964. Yeah, totally great dictator there. Mosa was increasing worker's rights way before the shah even gave it a consideration: The new administration introduced a wide range of social reforms: unemployment compensation was introduced, factory owners were ordered to pay benefits to sick and injured workers, and peasants were freed from forced labor in their landlords' estates. in 1952, Mossadegh passed the Land Reform Act which forced landlords to turn over 20% of their revenues to their tenants. These revenues could be placed in a fund to pay for development projects such as public baths, rural housing, and pest control. Also there's no evidence of him being a radical religion wise. In fact the only people who pushed that shit where, you guessed it, CIA agents. No, the shah was universally disliked before he gave Mosa's position. He had several assassination attempts before Mosa even got a following. The man was documented having a massive ego complex and constantly wanted to consolidate the power to himself and only himself. Finding out later that he was using the CIA for a coup further embroiled his disapproval. Theres no revision here, in fact you may have never learned it considering it was a footnote in most american history books.
Obama practically made the Iran nuclear deal (or at least finalized it). whats this about him backing out of it? He wasnt perfect by any means but at least his actions had no chance of causing a nuclear conflict
Words can't describe how stupid this statement is.
Not to mention the fact that you don't have to trust Iran, you just have to trust the various groups and agencies tasked with monitoring Iran, who all say they were following the deal. even people Trump himself appointed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44057306 Addressing the government, he said: "We hear that you want to continue the nuclear deal with the three European countries. I don't have confidence in these three countries." "If you want to conclude an agreement, obtain real guarantees, otherwise tomorrow they will do the same as the United States." "Their words have no value," he said of foreign leaders. "Today they say one thing and tomorrow another. They have no shame." Nice going, greatest dealmaker.
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