Georgia gubernatorial candidate goes on campaign tour with his 'deportation bus'

[Codemaster85]

Maybe because democrats have introduced programs (such as the dreamers act) for illegals to fit in better. But majority of these people/R government want them gone period. Like right now you're justifying damning an entire ethnicity because you can't have it in the middle (which is woefully ironic considering dems have tried pushing for the middle recently, only for trump co. to turn around and just want the entire pie instead. Remember "illegal immigrants vs sick children" debate?). I'd take allowing illegals to remain where they are any day than fucking rounding them up like animals and labeling all of them as rapists/murderers/child molesters.

[Hail Satan]

Ah the democrats forced republicans to act like scum, that totally makes sense

[xfb]

You have your cause and effect backwards.

99%I and RadioLab put out a few good series on immigration and the sanctuary movement.

In essence, the current state of immigration being a mess, the modern sanctuary movement, and the millions of undocumented people living in the United States is a result of Reagan's administration tying immigration/refugee policy to his foreign policy interests.

There probably never would have been a fight over illegal immigration if Republicans stood for the rule of law back in the 80's instead of backing Reagan when he decided to fund countries killing their own people. The Sanctuary movement would not have started. People fleeing from political violence would have been dealt with appropriately, and there probably would have been less refugees to begin with. The whole situation has spiraled out of control because Republicans fucked up and continue to drag their feet, causing this problem to compound.

[catbarf]

I said nothing whatsoever of the sort. I never defended the candidate in this thread, the Trump administration, or whatever else you and Lambeth seem to be straw-manning me into. The extremist Republican attitude to immigration is disgusting.

But they're not getting support for no reason, and I can tell you right now that the reason isn't 'half of America thinks immigrants are subhumans'. There's a core that really does believe that, but there's a much larger group that is supporting them because they don't see any other practical choice.

I have some friends living in South Carolina, in a community that has had an influx of illegal immigrants in recent years. Some immigrants are drug smugglers up from Florida, and their trade has contributed to the state's rising homicide rate. Most are well-meaning people, who from having to live outside the system cause secondary problems. And of course there's the usual tax fraud. If you give those SC residents the choice between a party that wants major cities to stop cooperating with law enforcement, and a party that does stupid shit like the deportation bus, they're going to vote for the latter, because at least the latter shows some interest in specifically addressing the problems they're dealing with on a daily basis.

Maybe you'd rather leave all illegal immigrants in place than have them be treated unfairly, and I get that, but I'm guessing you haven't had a family member killed by an illegal immigrant driving without a license, either. Unfortunately, for most voters, principles take a back seat to practicality when it's a real, personal, emotional problem rather than a thought experiment.

It'd be one thing if the Democratic attitude towards immigration and sanctuary cities was purely a response to Trump & Co overreach, something that will coalesce into more proactive and even-handed policy when they get more clout back. But that attitude of non-compliance was ongoing during the Bush years and straight through the Obama administration, despite Democrats having total control of government in the early days of the Obama's term. At this point, why would an average voter believe that Democrats will start enforcing immigration law once they're back in power?

Nobody's forcing Republicans to act like scum, but right now nobody's providing a more attractive alternative to communities negatively impacted by illegal immigration who want to see something done about it. Extremism thrives when ordinary people feel like they have no other choice but to turn to extremists; this isn't a phenomenon limited to illegal immigration. Democrats aren't to blame for Republicans' behavior but they aren't doing much to undercut their support, either. I don't want to see illegal immigrants getting rounded up like cattle, families torn apart, children sent to a country they've never known, but that's where we're headed if there's no real middle ground proposal from either side.

[Codemaster85]

And what lambeth and me are telling you is that you're justifying horrible bullshit the repubs are doing by saying they dont have a choice. When i explicitly said they do have a choice, with the dems pushing for programs to help immigrants convert faster and easier into the nation. Or you can be a sadistic cunt and allow republicans to just treat them as sub human garbage and whisk their kids away from them out of spite. Majority of the complaints ive heard is that they just exsist here and are somehow a massive drain to everything in the US. Majority of the massive drain they feel is the state slashing taxes, which leads to less programs, due to immigrants needing some funding for conversion help. All sanctuary cities are is basically telling the feds they will have to donate their resources if they want to conduct their witchhunt. Because paying and supplying a new fleet of cops to solely hunt immigrants is inefficient and expensive with very little payback.

This has happened in america since ever. We used to paint fucking irishmen as monkeys and drunkards, Italians as hood rat gangsters that take jobs from the masses, chinese as idiotic migrants who steal raolroad jobs. Every 50 years theres a new migrant base that shows up, and every 50 years we get assholes who want to shove all their problems onto them. The republican mindset is entirely based around this way of thinking. Choose a minority, blame a bunch of governmental problems on them. Just now we have social media and stats that show majority of the claims about the scaremongering is cherry picked bullshit and nonsense.

And to get back onto the whole reason the dude in the op is doing the bus bullshit, georgia's entire economy relies on housing and urban development. Know who makes up majority of sub contractors? Hispanics. What the dude doesn't tell you is that the entire state market is propped up by immigrants who do all the shitty sub work no one wants to do. And they do it at a lower pay and higher speed. Is this wrong? Maybe. Do they pay income tax? You bet your ass they do.