Britain legally bound to pay Brexit bill before trade accord agreed - Polidicks

Oh no this is most certainly not what you have maintained you cheeky bugger, your stance was initially "It will be great", followed by "It will be great after and adjustment period", followed by "The adjustment period might be several years".

Nah just there's literally no point mentioning or replying to Boilrig, he's literally just Tudd V2 and gets a kick out of this. You can't argue or debate with someone who is dead set that their thoughts and opinions are straight fact and cannot change (see rebuttal of several, serious points and many links with "I don't think that's the case" and a single link to an out-of-state article). I don't know why you think you're educated on this situation from the other bloody hemisphere when most of the vibe from this comes from local areas. Like it or not, Scotland looks like it's wanting indyref2, can survive being outside the UK (if fucking Lithuania can separate from the USSR which would've literally been poverty and get to the state it's currently in, we bloody can too.), and could potentially get back in fairly quickly as it would mean EU offices in London would only have to take a short trip up to Glasgow or Edinburgh rather than into mainland Europe. Scotland separating would 100% spur on Irish reunification as nothing says."we really care about the troubles and NI staying British" by planning on building a hard border which will do nothing but piss the ever loving shit out of the population on both NI and ROI. The troubles really weren't long ago and Irish resistance is still quite active, don't be naive and think this will all be fine.

In 60-80 years when you eventually pass, can you donate your body to science so scientists can use your brain to manufacture a drug instilling a sense of indefatigable optimism?

I respect devils advocates but its one thing to represent a inherently flawed argument and another to believe in it. The fortune global 500 would just goto some other country with a GDP less than Apples net worth so cracking down on Ireland is a laughable attempt at culling tax havens. Also the Nordic Council can just slide all that business their way if the EU takes the moral hardline approach.

Nothing wrong with brexit. How so? The economic and pollitical rammifications have been well discussed and I've yet to see any evidence to the contrary that isn't "well things are ok as of right this second while we're still in the EU."

It sure would help an any% speedrun, but the tories seem to be going after 100% completion run

Hey guy Do we need to quote you, verbatim, from 6 months(or less) ago when you said it would be great for the UK? For the last two years solid, you have said this would be a good thing for the UK. That is clearly NOT the case, as you are beginning, to slowly realize. It's funny watching you do this every thread. It's like a nascar crash, I know I shouldn't keep watching, but I really can't turn myself away from the genuine tragedy occurring in front of me.

It isn't my fault people thought it would somehow happen overnight, I mean come on, they haven't even left yet. It is simply not a hard debate. People on here, including yourself, only seem to is scream about the 'economic ramifications' and accuse me of not taking them into account or not understanding. However you forget that economics is not the be all, end all of a country, it is sad that people don't care that it was democratic, or that it was democratic 'but not to my standard, dear chap', among other things, but continuously bring up a small yearly drop of GDP as a reasoning to drop the entire thing, or the lack of trade knowledge 'oh, no one will trade with us, we don't have anything!!!11!'. If Lithuania can do it, Scotland totally can do it, but no no no, the UK can't survive on its own. Absolutely laughable. No, they'll be putting me in a museum for my loyalty to the empire, post brexit. Once more, I don't see Brexit as inherently flawed, maybe if it was going to collapse and die, but I doubt that. https://www.independent.ie/business/world/brussels-says-ireland-helping-firms-avoid-tax-with-aggressive-planning-36939506.html They are still after them, just in the way of new taxes as a response. With any shift of this size, then it wouldn't be exactly the same if they stayed in the EU, however overtime that may change, a lot of this depends on the final deal, and then a large part is that it was a democratic vote, and a small loss of gdp and whatever political ramifications, I'm guessing loss of EU influence you are referring to, isn't enough to overturn this process, why should it be. Hey buddy I wish I could tell the future as well, lend me a time machine? Time has always been an issue here on whether it will actually do well, the fact is, they haven't even left. I personally think it will be a good thing, I don't see any reason otherwise, unless over here we were all refusing to do trade deals etc or something.

So is it definitely going to get better eventually or is it indeterminate

Personally, I think it would get better. Realistically, indeterminate, we lack too many details, trade deals, future relationships etc.

Don't give the idiot any ideas, especially considering his cronies and supporters would genuinely try to enforce any changes he made. I mean, he already doesn't care about Congress keeping him in check as it is; he thinks he's an outright king. Remember when Congress voted almost unanimously and un-veto-ably on Russia sanctions and he just (illegally) refused to go through with it and still hasn't?

That doesn't answer my question, explain how there is nothing wrong with brexit as you said.

How can you not see the problem with what you've said there? To one one hand say there's not enough enough information, trade deals and relationships could go either way etc and that it could not turn out well, only to then say that just because we don't know what will happen, that there's nothing bad about the possibility of those negative things occurring and that they aren't a downside to the whole thing. It absurd to basically say "Well nothing bad has happened yet, and there's a chance it might not, so there's nothing wrong with the idea! This bad stuff could happen if we do this thing, but maybe it won't, so that means there's no downside to doing that thing, nothing wrong with it!!"

There is nothing wrong with the United Kingdom exiting the European Union, if that is the direction the country wishes to go, so be it. If we're talking political ramifications, then sure, theres a loss there in terms of European influence. If we're talking economic ramifications, then sure, there is also a loss there, however we won't know how big or far reaching those ramifications will be.

So you agree that the often well discussed and researched political and economic ramifications could have a negative imact on the country (and are very likely to) and you say "there's nothing wrong with that.

Boilrig why do you want the UK to leave the EU, sign a trade deal with the EU and have to abide by EU laws, but then have no say in the EU law and policy

It is about weighing up that loss of some political power in Europe and economic ramifications of loss of growth of GDP among other things, against a vote by the electorate. I'm not going to turn around and tell the people who just voted in a meaningful and completely valid referendum where I, as a government, made clear that voting to leave the European Union was final, just to ignore it, because we may lose some political power in Europe and may face a loss of GDP growth. I guess when you want something done next, the government should just tell you to fuck off because 'muh gdp'.

Yes, but I think even Congressional Republicans aren't going to let Trump just rewrite bills and cross out what he doesn't like -- he has a veto, but he'll write garbage with their names signed on it and they'll get blamed, eventually. They know better than to give the idiot in chief unlimited control. They're trying to use him and have struggled to train their pet to be obedient. Maybe they shouldn't have supported and helped elect a man who's pretty much always been the CEO of a private company, meaning he's used to nobody ever telling him no.

So despite the fact that experts have said that A: the public was mislead, B: Brexit is going to have no benefit to the country besides some good feels when we just about break the surface after floundering C: The government is not consulting the populace on the nature of Brexit at all during the proceedings. You still think there's nothing wrong cus "muh public opinion poll!" ?

I don't believe they've said the public was so overwhelmingly mislead it would've changed the result. I don't really care about the feel good part, but sure, and what did the government not consult the populace on? If this is about the whole plan thing, that was a miscalculation on Cameron's part.

guys please stop adding fuel to the fire, let him fizzle out rather than pouring gasoline and keeping him burning

really dumb how this entire thread is dedicated to one person's opinion. what's the point of dogpiling?

That's an interesting one. You can't trade with the EU till you pay your debts. That's how the Australian meat market was killed back in the 70's with the common market, We couldn't trade with individual countries rather we had to trade with the EU. Some ideas are just bad ideas.