• Security troops on US nuclear missile base took LSD
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Literally missing my point entirely. Better get rid of them if they've ever had a beer! Do you guys know how silos operate? You can't just go in off your face and accidentally launch a missile, you literally have to confirm and be given data to and from, most likely the Pentagon, to be able to even arm the damn things.
regardless of the long term effects of LSD, LSD is still illegal in the united states, and persons who hold high-risk national security positions are held to a much stricter standard regarding the law. and they acknowledged this fact when they signed up. from the Adjudicative Guidelines: The Adjudicative Guidelines states that drug abuse “. . . can raise questions about an individual’s reliability and trustworthiness, both because it may impair judgment and because it raises questions about a person’s ability or willingness to comply with laws, rules, and regulations.” Drug abuse also raises concerns about an individual’s susceptibility to blackmail and the possible presence of mental health issues. Drug use can cause financial problems, sometimes leading to other criminal activity to support a drug habit. if they did illegal drugs, off or on duty, they deserve to be relieved of their positions.
Why are you rating me dumb? I was in the navy for four years and stationed in Japan for the whole time, due to our proximity to China and the Korean Peninsula we had to be ready to go out to sea within 48 hours, maybe even less than that. Urinalysis testing was done very randomly, you could pee twice in the same month or you could go up to four months without being tested (I kept a record, my longest time not being pee tested was around 6 months) We couldn't smoke a fucking doobie or pop Xans, we're held to a much higher standard than that. Not saying that drug abuse in the military doesn't happen though, I saw plenty of my friends abuse OTC medicine like cough syrup and triple c's, Speaking of that, one guy from my fleet (7th) just got accused of smuggling shit in so you are right in some way, drug use does happen USS Ronald Reagan sailor accused of smuggling drugs into Japan Don't rate a post dumb because you're not willing to admit you're wrong.
i rated your post dumb because i thought it was dumb. you implied that i do not understand how the military works, when that had absolutely nothing to do with the point i was trying to make crystal clear. your post was dumb because it was an irrelevant, verbose tangent that hadn't more than maybe one thing to do with what I was trying to say. are you allowed to get drunk if you're not on-duty? are you allowed to take ambien when you're not on-duty? are you allowed to drink cough syrup when you're not on-duty? if you're starting to see the point that I was trying to get at, then colour me surprised! all 3 of those things can, and sometimes do, cause more severe effects than LSD (in regular doses.) yeah, it's illegal, but that's for questionable reasons and may not last long. hence my question: what's the big fucking deal? LSD is mostly safe, has a short half-life, and only lasts up to about 12 hours. yeah, they were "on call" but do you really think they had plans to launch missiles?
Alright buddy go talk to a recruiter and tell 'em you do LSD I'm sure they'll let you join
You simply don't account for "are you really gonna launch missiles today?" when your job is what it is, and has the strict requirements that it does. Wanna make money and serve your country, do it the UCMJ's way or go to federal prison lol
I won’t dispute that active soldiers in the situation they were in shouldn’t be doing LSD. They shouldn’t. But the risk of them succumbing to HPPD isn’t the reason why that’s the case.
Hey look guys, someone who actually understands my point!
I think it's disingenuous to say that LSD definitely can't have any long-term effects on your mental health just because the existing studies into LSD's long-term effects are flawed (mainly due to its schedule 1 status). LSD has a profound short-term effect on the individual and to act as if that definitely won't resurface in as-of-yet unknown, long-term effects on the individual's mental health is denying the reality of drugs. The more we study Marijuana the more we learn about its long-term effects (which many users deny exist). I can't tell you the way in which it impacts someone long-term, and I can't tell you it definitely does. But given the fact that almost every other psychoactive substance has very real long-term effects, there's a clear pattern with regards to psychoactive substances. LSD has the potential to prematurely 'active' schizophrenia in some users who were already at risk of schizophrenia. No, this doesn't mean "LSD causes schizophrenia" but it does things to your mind. That's why you take it. You want it to do things to your mind.
If underlying mental illness being brought to the surface can be blamed on drugs then the pharmaceutical industry has its hands full with the same situation, legally condoned. We we understand these things have risks, but many of them are exaggerated or contaminated by claims from anti drug advocates who have long pushed false narratives. Marijuana is no miracle drug, neither is LSD or MDMA, but they all have recognizable benefits. And sure they have costs! So do major pharma drugs. Side effects are the result of drugs, they’re just ones we accept as okay. There’s no credible evidence of HPPD occurring due to LSD, and as some have pointed out it’s chemically deconstructed after a day. It’s just a claim that should be rebuked imo, it’s not to say LSD is safe, but unlike aspirin, Tylenol, or ibuprofen, you can’t OD on any of those three drugs. They have harms but at different scales and degrees
Except patients are informed of these risk factors before being prescribed drugs. True, but I'd encourage you not to let your distrust for certain entities cloud your judgement. All criticism of LSD -- or drugs in general -- is not the same and does not come from the same place of bias. Absolutely. Side effects are the result of drugs, yes, but we're made aware of those side effects before we take them. Billions of dollars are poured into researching these compounds so we can know exactly what the side effects are before we put them into our bodies. The same is not true for drugs you buy off of the street or the dark web. Additionally, side effects of drugs aren't allowed "just because". They have to be reasonably limited in scope and danger. If a drug has too many side effects, or its side effects present too often, it will often be killed during trials. The same is not true for LSD. It is illegal in America to perform studies using LSD due to its schedule 1 state, and an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Additionally, HPPD is not what I'm referring to. It doesn't have to be stored in your body for a long time to have negative (or positive!) long-term consequences for your mental state. What claim? I never mentioned HPPD in my post; I just warned that there are likely unknown side effects to using LSD. Do you maintain that because you don't know of any side effects, that that means that the claim that LSD -- like almost every psychoactive drug -- probably has side effects on your psychology should be "rebuked"? Why? I'm not sure what you mean here; I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean that you can't OD on LSD but you can on the three you mentioned. But your claim isn't true. Overdosing doesn't refer to dying because you took too much of a drug; that's a common misconception. Overdosing just means you had a negative effect due to taking too much of a drug, which is absolutely possible and common with psychoactive substances like LSD. Additionally, physical harm is only one kind of harm a drug can do to you. I don't think LSD is going to destroy your body (it might, but probably not). I think it very likely has long-term effects on the human psyche, and we need to do some extensive testing to figure out what they may be, should they exist.
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