• Israel Sniper Killed Voluteer Female Medic, 100 Protesters Wounded
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Not to be an asshole or anything its been 70 years already so move on lmao. I mean you can still bitch and moan on how its their land and shit but in the end we were outnumbered and still kicked ass. So quit whining. Don't worry though, you can still go out and protest about being upset or wave a flag. I'll continue living here and will raise my future children here despite your efforts, but for you i'll say a prayer for the Palestinian people that one day they will have leaders with a functioning brain. Also kudos for speaking on behalf of the Palestinian people, you're such a humanitarian.
Thank you, honestly. I like it way better, whem we're being honest. I really appreciate it, seriously. I am not being sarcastic by the way.
You're the only one here who's too blind to see that yes, people are doing this. Nobody is "arguing with their own self". Sgman91 argued that shooting medics is a necessary evil because Hamas has disguised as them in the past, and that the IDF doesn't have to adhere to conventions because "the other side" doesn't. Svinnik keeps posting some stupid selfie to show that one of the medics was part of Hamas, as if that was a valid reason to shoot a medic tending to the wounded in the first place. He also tries to use the same selfie as an explanation for the Canadian's shooting. He also argued that shooting in the knees/shins is a non-lethal approach, which it isn't, and dismisses other methods as ineffective, a statement which other users are disagreeing with. So no, just because you say there's no discussion doesn't mean it is so. They evidently consider it to be acceptable collateral, at the very least. Otherwise it wouldn't keep fucking happening. It wouldn't even surprise me if they saw it as a mean to deny medical assistance to Hamas targets. Why the fuck would they harass and threaten medics like they do in one of this thread's video if not for that purpose?
Svinnik taking an interesting approach at justifying the IDFs brutality by arguing they're too incompetent to patrol the border properly or even aim at the right people.
lmao imagine thinking this is a good thing to say. I imagine Cecil Rhodes said something similar about Africa once. there are better arguments to make than ones that perpetuate the idea that Israelis think nothing more of the Palestinians than conquered animals.
Why the fuck does some other country deserve my home?
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Along with the thousands among thousands of innocents killed as a result? Again I don't think it's right for the IDF to be shooting unarmed combats and clearly defined medical personnel or the settlements. They do have a right to defend their borders.
it's not defending your borders when the people you're shooting include unarmed medics and children hundreds of meters away from the border
"What the fuck, you guys shot an unarmed medic again?" "But muh Hamas" "How the hell does that have anything to do with this?" "B-B-BUT MUH HAMAS"
Not disagreeing with this, like I've stated before Israel not be free of consequence for what should be considered war crimes.
Good thing I'm Jewish, innit. Fuck out out of here, I don't need reparations.
This is the kind of shit that makes me wonder if discussion on this issue has any value what-so-ever. I disagree with you guys, but at least I'm reading and understand your argument. I get that you believe Israel ought to be willing to take bigger risks to its own soldier's and citizen's lives in order to better ensure the peaceful Palestinian's safety. You don't see Hamas as a meaningfully relevant factor in whats happening at the border right now. Etc. I see where you're coming from. I get your argument. On the other hand, you come in here with this irrelevant crap about "muc Hamas," all the while totally ignoring the real arguments being given. Why are you here? It's clearly not to discuss.
I'm sorry, but after 6 pages of seeing pro-israel users brushing away the deaths of unarmed non-combatants and the incessant droning of "hamas is very bad" every time someone suggests Israel should be accountable for its war crimes, I'm gonna go and throw your bords back at you. Israel shoots a medic? "It's Hamas protesters' fault" Israel kills a medic a few days later? "We did it because Hamas" Israel keeps using .22lr, a very much lethal round for riot control? "Hamas is like, super bad" This is not a discussion, it's people acting like broken records in defense of a country that keeps committing horrid shit and yet keeps wondering why its neighbors hate it so fucking much.
I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting the guy but he seems to be sarcastic, if you take his other posts and positions into account.
I can't even track what's real and what isn't at this point tbh
You're doing the textbook example of a strawman. I'll point out one just to show how: Israel shoots a medic? "It's Hamas protesters' fault" Nobody has said this. In fact, they've said that it's Hamas's fault for using medical clothing to deceive Israeli soldiers. People have called for you to see the nuance and difficulty of the situation instead of referring to harline rules that were never intended for a conflict like this, to not apply black and white rules to a very gray situation. I, for example, have tried to point out that the situation is extremely difficult. When one side doesn't obey any of the normal rules, doesn't care about the lives of its citizens, etc., then we can't just ignore all that. It matters. It changes the way Israel has to look at the situation. When an Israeli soldier sees a person in medical clothing, they always have to be suspicious that they are in fact a Hamas member/sympathiser who's looking to do damage. Do you disagree with that? If so, on what basis? If not, then why can't you accept that it changes the nature of the conflict? To treat anyone in medical clothing as a legitimate medic, no matter what, is to allow Hamas to act freely. (Just like they store military equipment in schools and hospitals, just like they fire missiles next to civilian centers, just like they tell civilians to stay in areas under attack instead of fleeing, just like they actively use human shields as a normative tactic, etc. They WANT civilians to die for the cause.) If you want to address THAT argument, then please do, but just summarizing it as "It's Hamas protesters fault" is nothing more than dishonest and idiotic.
An interesting video popped up that shows the medic throwing a smoke grenade. https://www.facebook.com/scoops.rotter.net/videos/1702067216509459/ I'm not saying that this act alone justifies killing or even hurting her(we don't know if she's throwing it towards the border), but it does provide some context.
"No one is saying this" says man who proceeds to say it again. Majority if not 90% of the medics are being beaten and shot at for getting near anyone that has been shot. Multiple accounts from legitimate doctors on site are saying this. Theres a video of 4 medics trying to cart someone who was shot off the buffer zone only for an Israeli soldier to push them over or yank the body off the stretcher. Then you have in the same video a group of soldiers attacking a female nurse and pointing the barrel of their guns at her skull for trying to get to the patient. But no, these people are hamas in disguise or could be. Thats why the Israelis get at point blank range to harass them and threaten them. You are still excusing them being attacked for an off chance they might be a terrorist. You can not just stop obeying international laws because one side doesn't, thats not how laws work at all. And like I said earlier, if palistine wants to be viewed as a first world nation, they need to act like one. No other military power gets away with shooting medics, neither should Israel.
No, that's just pointlessly muddying waters when you know it's irrelevant
You seem to be mixing up the West Bank and Gaza (Hamas). There are no Israeli soldiers in Gaza. No other "first world" nation is, or has been, in a conflict like Israel currently is.
That's not a teargas grenade(plenty of people without masks aren't reacting to it), so it's probably from the Palestinian side. And I didn't say that she's Hamas.
Not to detract from your main point, but that video is from Al-Bireh, in the West Bank - not from Gaza. This can be evident from a quick look at the very description of the video. That being said I don't really disagree with the rest of your stance on this matter.
"theres no Israeli soldiers in Gaza" Israeli soldiers on Friday killed one Palestinian and injured at least a hundred others protesting in Gaza along the fence that separates the territory from Israel, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. what in the god damn are you smoking. who is shooting at the Palestinians? Also i'm talking about colleagues of the woman who was shot in her small video who worked with her with plenty of images and footage of said people administering care to the wounded: https://youtu.be/O1lohEhhkqI and the medic harassment in this video: https://youtu.be/CVbRjvLOTYw
And yet a few lines after, Basically insinuating it's OK for Israel to shoot to kill when they see a medic "just in case", and it's Hamas' fault if the fresh corpse turns out to be an actual civilian. But please, tell me again how I'm the dishonest one. And their enemy is all too fucking happy to kill civilians and then turn around and say "we had to do it they could have been Hamas". Do you not see the problem? But when the other side doesn't obey any of the normal rules, doesn't care about the lives of its neighbors, KEEP EXPANDING THEIR BORDERS WHILE COMMITTING LITERAL WAR CRIMES etc., then we're supposed to just ignore all that, because they say it's for a "good cause" and a "better future for the whole world" or some shit. Look at the number of Palestinian dead civilians compared to Israeli ones, look at the methods involved in said deaths, and tell me once again with a straight fucking face how nuanced and grey the situation is, how Israel is ultimately the good guy, and how it's OK that they've never faced any punishment for their shit. From shooting children with .22 claiming it's "non lethal", to bombing neighborhoods with fucking white phosphorous and claim it's "smoke" and their shit doesn't stink. Look at the horrors Israel inflicts regularly on people whose lands they're slowly invading and tell me again Palestinians have no real reason to form groups like Hamas and commit terrible, albeit DESPERATE acts just to put a dent in a country that acts less like an enemy and more like a butcher, and sees no legal repercussions whatsoever.
Yes, but that footage has nothing direct to do with the situation in Gaza. Your argument doesn't really require distorting the facts like you (hopefully accidentally) did, saying this happened near the buffer zone. This is what I talk about what with what I said earlier about not tarnishing a legitimate point with lacking fact-checking.
The Israeli soldiers are shooting from the Israeli side of the border. As I said, there are no Israeli soldiers in Gaza. I mentioned that because you talked about Israeli soldiers "pushing" and "beating" medics when that is impossible during the current Gazan border conflict due to no Israeli soldiers being in that close proximity to the Gazans. They exist there solely to defend the border fence from violent incursions from Hamas, which is Hamas's stated goal of the current protest. Oh, so when you said "legitimate doctors on site" you meant "random people who we don't know." That video you posted is clearly useless from a factual angle anyway. There were witnesses that said she was shot while running towards the border fence, not "as soon as they got there" like the mother claimed in the video. It then ended with some classic Hamas Propaganda. It's not even an attempt at some fair minded look at her death. Funny how you equated "legitimate doctors on site" with that video. ... and this totally out of context video is posted by a semi-conspiratorial anti-Israeli site. Cool. Honestly, if this is the basis of your position, then there's no discussion to be had. Why don't I just post some Alex Jones and call it a day? That's basically the same level of journalistic standard you've gone to.
lmao you literally keep on making the same mistake that's been corrected a few times already in this thread by confusing the west bank with Gaza. How hard is it for you to understand that the situation in Gaza and the situation in the west bank is completely different, Israel has no presence in Gaza, it is judenrein and completely Palestinian.
Oh wow I mixed up two places, I guess that invalidates your country's horrid war crimes
But by your logic, Palestinian is also not at fault, because they shoot the mortars and flown their kites from THEIR side of the fence. If you actually saw the news and interviews, the volunteer medic was registered. They also admits they are being shot the moment they they arrive there. Not just the killed medic; her 3 other colleagues too. Not even counting the Canadian one. Running around the area to pick up victims is their, you know, the whole point of medic there. I don't even know what you're even trying to prove anymore. Its not even journalism ambiguity, the whole UN security wanting to probe it, but Israel refuses to allow them.
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