Guards at Trump prison camp for children ordered to stop them from hugging - Polidicks

It's a terrible situation that no one should have to go though but I would much rather be in a shelter with a bed, food and healthcare than out roaming on the street not knowing where you will sleep or have your next meal. This could all have been avoided if the parents tried to come to the country legally.

This could all have been avoided if the parents were simply turned away and immediately deported. Which has been the policy for the last eight years. Which would be the policy right now if Trump hadn't created a new policy.

For all your bullshit apologetics for the imprisonment and psychological torture of children, some as young as five years old, you're ignoring some basic and critical facts: 1) This policy was intentionally designed to be traumatic. It is, by the admissions of the monsters behind it, a "deterrent" meant to frighten people into not attempting to come to America. The children are not given answers, they are not allowed to touch each other, they are kept in cages on concrete floors, they are greeted by a terrifying mural, and so on. This is a deeply fucking traumatizing environment, especially for children. 2) There is no legal basis for their detention. The families of asylum seekers are being torn apart by this as well, and that is an internationally recognized legal process -- not an illegal border crossing. Even for those who have crossed illegally, however, the act of crossing the border without documentation is a misdemeanor, and no misdemeanor crime in the United States is punishable by having your parental rights revoked and the forced separation of your family.

I agree that it seems wrong to separate the parents and child unwillingly. I would think deporting them both would be a better solution but could also be worse for the child as they have no shelter.

'But BDA, it's a crime if they don't go directly to a border control office on the border whose locations we do not helpfully provide to them, nor are they indicated on maps in multiple languages, nor do we send out people to try and help them find said control offices along our border. And since it's a crime, that means it's not legal.'

Crossing the border by hopping the fence or crossing the river is not asylum. Refugees still have a immigration process to go though. It's not show up and enter whenever you want.

It is exactly show up and enter whenever you want.

what exactly is the point of seeking asylum if you have to remain at the place where your life is being threatened while you're waiting for approval? Multiple people sent back across the border by the trump administration have wound up dead. Should they have just staid put and accepted their deaths instead of attempting to survive?

You have to apply for asylum... you don't get to show up undocumented

You apply by showing up. You become documented. Have you actually looked up how people seek Asylum? Have you actually looked at the forms in question?

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, and this post punctuates that nicely. https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/affirmative-asylum-process Step fucking one: "Arrive in the US." https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status. You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States[...]

So you're saying we should just have open borders? How do you know someone is legitimately seeking asylum or has bad intentions when you don't even know they exist?

Wrong.

So you're saying we should shoot everyone on sight because they didn't submit paper forms in triplicate in advance of their arrival in defiance of the law? How do you know whether they're legitimatelly seeking asylum? By investigating their claims.

lol, you seek asylum once you enter, that's how it works

Here's a tip: stop representing yourself as if you know what you're talking about, because you just demonstrated that you don't even understand

You know what, I'm going to call you out on this specifically. Provide a source for your claim or drop it.

@Programmer You need a good fucking look in the mirror dude because I think you've completely lost all empathy for people who have different situations from you. Every single argument you have has been proven wrong, been entirely semantic, or based on your own ignorance on the subject. You're not gonna win this.

You're right, I am wrong on that one.

How many corpses are you willing to let pile up out of fear of being taken advantage of?

Now tell us who told you that what you thought you were wrong about was right? I'm very curious to know.

I already provided the source, which demonstrated in no uncertain terms that he is 100% wrong on this. "You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status." Furthermore: "Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). You may live in the United States while your application is pending before USCIS. If you are found ineligible, you can remain in the United States while your application is pending with the Immigration Judge. Most asylum applicants are not authorized to work." Being arrested and watching helplessly as your family is torn apart and your children are thrown cages? That's not a part of this process -- at least not before Trump's vile administration decided it would be a "good deterrent" (to people desperately seeking help and protection).

Oh no, I meant I wanted him to provide a source which backed his claim that what he stated was the case. I was asking mainly because I'd like to make sure that wherever he obtained that 'fact' is a place that I ensure I never take any information from.

No one told me, I was under the assumption that all undocumented immigration is illegal. The concept of letting someone live in a country without documentation for up to a year then apply to see if they can stay seems unsafe to me. Does pending asylum make you immune to deportation?

No, it doesn't. You're basically under review for that time, where upon if that time elapses they come find you and forcibly deport you -- and then you won't be allowed to seek asylum again for a period of time iirc. If you commit crimes and so forth or your asylum is rejected instead of being deported back to your country of origin, you are instead deported to another country iirc.

This seems so backwards to me. Why have a border at all when you can just claim asylum and be left alone for a year? What constitutes the validity of an asylum seeker and how do they know how long you have been in the country if you never applied? I feel like you could have been in the US for 5 years with an under the table job and when the ICE agents show up you can just say I got here a few months ago and about to apply for asylum.

Nobody told you, you never bothered to check for yourself, and yet you persistently argued that everybody else was wrong about a subject that you admit you knew absolutely nothing about beyond "assumption.". Don't you see why that's so fucking frustrating -- especially in light of the fact that families are being torn apart and forced to helplessly watch as their terrified and confused children are being dragged off to mass detention centers where they suffer severe psychological trauma?

Why claim to accept people who are seeking refugee status when they believe their lives are in imminent danger by holding up a finger and saying 'uh, wait just a second, why don't you spend the next year talking with our immigration offices here while we chat back and forth about all of your papers and such which you surely have on you while you're fleeing forces which want to see you dead'. All those seeking asylum would be arriving in caskets.

I don't even know what we are arguing about at this point. I am simply saying it is an over exaggeration to call these concentration camps headed by mein Führer Donald Trump. I don't think the children should be separated either. I'm just saying these shelters are not as bad as you make them out to be.

You know what seems backwards to me? You deciding your first intuition is correct when you haven't looked into the situation at all. Were you just not aware that you were ignorant? Doesn't that concern you in the slightest?