Guards at Trump prison camp for children ordered to stop them from hugging - Polidicks

This is purely an inhuman dickwave and leveraging of the lives of immigrants to force Dems on settling on "immigration" laws.

You're the stupid one because you ignore the entire scope of the situation. People are being pushed away from the facilities, and people who do get in talk about how shit their living conditions are. Now an ex employee comes out with more info, but suddenly its fake news? Theres pictures of these facilities and personaly accounts from people in them, but its better to just deny it. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Unfortunately members of the rbass band don't let pesky little facts get in the way of their views.

If nothing else, don't you think allegations like these should be thoroughly investigated? If they're false, they can be publicly proven false. That would be great! But I have no reason to believe anything in this article is false. There's too much correlation for comfort. Does a slight potential bias really matter when we're dealing with something this inhumane?

Even worse, they can't be thoroughly investigated because these facilities are denying senators, the media, and all else from gaining access. That's evidence of a cover-up in addition to all the reports coming out of the conditions in these places. That's even further confirmation that what's going on there is known to be bad and possibly worse than is even being reported. If it was the opposite and these places were just slightly uncomfortable then why wouldn't they invite the press to tour the facilities in question?

Nope!

I do think they should be investigated. What I don't like is being too quick to vehemently believe that Trump is enmasse putting tons of Latino children in a concentration camp and purposely putting them under extreme emotional duress. You'd think their'd be hell of a-lot more whistle blowers then just a few handful if this were the case. They can't even touch the kids and they are even having a problem of people posing as kids among the crowds. You keep mentioning that there is several testimonies that go to support this dude's claim but yet to show them. You're the one not even reading me man. I'm saying that if Journalism today is just one dude saying one thing and we have no choice but to believe it's true then why don't we all be journalists. Great. But this isn't the Antar Davidson who says that kids are trying to kill themselves at the facilities. Of course there's going to be emotional duress put on the children is it the right course of action for Donald Trump to take? No, but he has to have some justification in doing so. Is there a better alternative? I have yet to find out other then just deporting them straight away or giving up on having borders and letting anybody come into the country. All I said is I have a reason to be skeptic about believing in the anecdote from one dude who used to work at one of the facilities. Until an investigation can be made it's all assumptions. It's all skeptics, it's a conspiracy going from word of mouth by just former employees. Sure you'll hold whatever they say in higher regard because it's all we got, but you can't just take that and take it as gospel.

And here we've gone full conspiracy theory. You have ejected any sense of reason at this point and are therefore no longer arguing your facts. In this one post you have swung from the branch of 'you never offered any sources' to 'those sources may collaborate a lot of what he said, but not everything, and so therefore we should distrust everything he stated because it's still just one additional source, two additional sources, however many additional sources it doesn't matter because there's no actual inspectors in there'. You are as transparent as an Burger King Whopper wrapper. You're not a 'skeptic' when you throw out all evidence because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Maybe Trump should let people fucking investigate then if he doesn't want the only source of information about what goes on in these internment camps to be coming from insiders. You can be a centrist physical embodiment of a thinking emoji all you want but the fact that they won't let investigations happen really speaks for itself and lends a great deal of credence to the idea that terrible shit is happening in there.

You're the one going Full Conspiracy. He's saying one thing in the LA Times article and they don't even mention half of the things he mentioned in the NPR article. What does that say about just how credulous this Antar Davidson might be?

You're the one who'd rather trust the people preventing evidence from existing.

I never said there's nothing suspicious or sketchy going on over there I'm saying some of these stories are getting wildly blown out of proportion. And until we can get a full investigative report it's best to just take things at face value and not to speculate what if's.

Nothing at all. What people say is often in response to what questions they're asked; and furthermore what's printed is at the discretion of the editors - which the LA Times' editor may have decided that they needed to cut some of the words in the article to make it fit on a page, keeping the most backed and salacious claims. Does he disagree with himself at any point between the two articles? If not, then why is it a salient or relevant point to begin with? If his testimony is not robotically accurate then you find it to be a potential lie? Even if it were robotically accurate I'm pretty sure at this point you'd just say it was rehearsed and therefore coached and therefore untrustworthy. What conspiracy am I alleging other than that the sites are refusing access to the press, senators, and governors -- which is a reported point of fact which is both true and widely verified, while also not even disputed by said facilities in question? Back your claims with evidence or drop them.

Why would he say children are killing themselves in the LA Times article but in the NPR article they mention nothing of that. Not going to reply to you until you can answer me on this. And again, this is all anecdotes. You wouldn't want to look stupid if a full investigative report goes in on this thing and find out it truly wasn't as bad as it's made out to be.

wow man you cant say these stories are being blown out of proportion without sanctioned centrist evidence to back it up thats not very good brain intellectual of you

Because LA Times asked and NPR didn't. Because he wasn't ready to talk about it with NPR but was with the LA Times. There's a myriad of explanations. That one hasn't been offered to you on a silver platter doesn't mean that that's evidence that his testimony is unreliable or even inaccurate. I wouldn't look stupid if a full investigative report finds out what's been reported is false. I'd look mad at the people who're making false claims while having no good reason to do so, especially in some of those cases. Next you'll tell us that you don't believe in people's accounts of anything because everyone lies and nobody every tells the truth because everything is an agenda and nobody ever actually tells the truth about anything. I feel I've exhausted my patience with you. If you want to fight this hard to retain your ignorance while refusing to so much as even dare to back your claims with any evidence -- any evidence at all -- that demonstrates to me that you don't even intend to debate this subject. We're not debating facts, we're debating your own opinions - and I don't debate people's opinions.

Can you prove that LA Times asked and NPR didn’t? Back your claims with evidence or drop them.

I don't need to back claims which are self-evident. I shouldn't need to prove to you that people are likely to check their mail, that accountants are liable to be good at math, or that reporters do not ask the same questions. I am not making an extraordinary claim -- you, however, are.

How is it self-evident? You just magically said “well NPR didn’t ask so guess they never found out about the children attempting to commit suicide but LA Times did so it’s true!” Two similar news sources posting different parts of a story from the same dude and you don’t find that odd?

Reminder Border Patrol nearly openly works with those retarded batshit insane "Border Patriot Militias" yet no ones being done for it

I posited a rational explanation that routinely occurs in the process of investigating and compiling reports for news. Your claim was effectively that there was no reasonable explanation, so I provided some for you to consider. Two similar news sources posting different parts of a story from the same dude and you don’t find that odd? I know this may shock you but the man is not a word document. The reporters aren't just copy-pasting from his .doc file into their news reports. Therefore, it's not unusual for him to use different words or even provide varying levels of response to questions that were asked. This is common. This is usual. This is typical. Prove that he was intentionally hiding information; his coworkers calling him out. His bosses stating what he's said is inaccurate. Goddamn Sessions saying 'these facilities are run amazingly well and there's not a shred of truth to anything that man's said'.

How do we even know you're not actually Paul Ryan? Proof! I demand more proof!

Because the sources can post whatever they want or ask whatever they want. Thats how journalisim works, if ghe LA times was lying about the dude's statements, don't you thunk he would have come forward to the NPR or whoever and correct them? Good lord you're still ignoring the main point of the accusations, the living conditions for these children is deplorable.

No you gave an explanation to what may have had happened. You made an assumption, and you know what they say about assume.

TimTimTommy, can you prove to me that your car needs gas or electrical power? I know it's typical for automobiles to require those - in fact it's pretty damn unlikely yours doesn't - but I'm going to require you to now submit before me proof that your vehicle in fact doesn't run on gas or electrical power because it seems to me you're just assuming that your car runs on electricity and gas due to the overwhelming likelihood that it is.

I don't know why you're still wasting your time with him. He's made it clear he has no intention of anything resembling intellectual integrity in this discussion. (Hence why I haven't been taking him remotely seriously since I began posting in this thread.) This post in particular made it abundantly obvious he's a total hypocrite who has no intention of honest debate. Speaking of evidence though: TimTim, can you provide evidence you actually have a brain? Cause I'm having a very difficult time believing it without seeing proof.

This isn’t going anywhere I’ve made my point and claims and until a full blown investigation can be made on these facilities all we will have are anecdotes from disgruntled former employees and all you guys will do is assume the worst and I’ll be hoping for the best that none of these children truly are being emotionally traumatized because that would be absolutely abhorrent and awful.

"Hoping for the best" when kids are being forcefully removed from their parents is idiotic

Your point was pretty conclusively disproven. Repeatedly. You just decided to pull an Sgman and argue stupid bullshit rather than admitting you were wrong and made yourself into a total joke.

Oh my fucking GOD can we stop going around and around in circles with this dumbass? This is giving me a fucking brain aneurysm. Please get off Facepunch and go to a protest or pay a visit to your elected representatives, like right now. Do not wait.