Partisanship and polarization, if not stopped, is going escalate to ostracizing, and federal desertion. Then it will lead to states seceding and national dissolution. We could be on our way to another American civil war.
What frightens me about politics today isn't Trump being elected. Its that politics has been pushed to extremism so far that instead of debate both sides call each other child killers. Instead of working together both sides entrench harder into their beliefs instead of compromising. When both sides are pushing further and further into extremism against the other, something has to break.
Personally, I refuse to compromise on 'Immigrants are animals and dilute the white blood that should rule this nation'.
A mutual compromise can be agreed on if both sides are actually willing to give a step in the conflict. It isn't like people aren't trying on both sides even now, but things have gone so totally to shit it seems unlikely, if not entirely impossible, for any sort of agreement to be reached as a whole, except between two individuals, who often seem to be star-crossed in the current situation.
I mean, the GOP demonstrably is.
Frankly I dont even call the GOP conservative anymore, any actual conservative would have ditched most of these yahoos ages ago.
the difference is while the GOP has largely gotten taken over by these borderline nazi sympathizers, you cannot say the democratic party has the same level of problems.
hell, the worst offending member of the democrats, clinton, had only the crime of being a run of the mill corrupt politician, completely average. you cant say that its comparable to a man who starts trade wars with allies
While this is pretty bad considering who is in the White House, the last four consecutive presidents also had appointed two justices.
Let's just hope he doesn't actually pull a 2nd Reagan though and end up with 4 picks.
Or eight like FDR.
I fully expect Trump to call for his base to murder all Democrats they see when he loses the next election, just to try and stay in power.
No. Politics have not polarized "on both sides", the overton window has shifted so far to the right that anything even slightly left of center is met with McCarthy level hysteria. Yeah there's things that Democrats aren't willing to compromise on, things like violating the Constitution and basic human rights, those aren't things that should be compromised on.
When are we going to depose this weak, infirm half leader? He clearly is barely holding it together, it's obvious by the way he speaks and acts.
I don't necessarily expect Trump to come out and say it, but a loss is going most definitely be interpreted by the Neo-Nazi block of his base as a call to arms. And the targets aren't going to be restricted solely to democrats - you can bet gold on it that there is going to be a significant racial and sexual bent to it too. I fully expect hate crimes against blacks, jews, gays, and anyone else who isn't white, straight and cis to rise the moment the Democrat is announced as the leader. And if there's any justice, all of these nazi fuckers are going to have the full extent of the law thrown at them.
I actually would not at all mind the neo-nazis getting violent. It'd let us gun them down like the dogs they are. Cleanse the human race of their filth.
"When he loses the next election"
I wouldn't be so confident
I can't agree with this at all. This happening means many people who wouldn't deserve it would die in the process which is completely unacceptable.
Why not we fight them on the beaches of Normand, why not on the streets of America. Time to bring out some old Sherman's from the museums. Load them up for some freedom
A civil war is what this country needs at this point.
Much as I'd love to haul a Sherman out of Aberdeen and have a seat in the cupola. A large scale civil war is ludicrously unfeasible in America, especially when all the militia groups are koolaid drinking members of the 45 cult.
Yes, I too wish for a bloody civil war, it definitely won't cause a massive refugee crises for our neighbors and countrys abroad and, only the nazis will die and not innocent people stuck in the cross fire of such a conflict. I also would like for our infrastructure and cities to get blown the fuck away. Also wouldn't mind for stability in the USA to be fucked for at least a generation or two or maybe worse consequences will happen if it means killing the Nazis (who definitely are a majority and not just a stupidly vocal minority of people).
This is almost as inane as people that say "I hope a balkanization of the US/China will happen" without remembering that such conflicts are usually characterized by human rights abuses and countless innocent civilians getting killed, raped, and otherwise having their entire lives ruined.
On topic its really fucking shitty that Kennedy is leaving now since I'm pretty sure the GOP isn't going to put a moderate like Kennedy in unless the Democrats somehow peel two GOP senators away from voting for Trump's appointee and try to get a more moderate judge.
A civil war is too expensive for the failed welfare states plagued with problems that is the mid west and north west. The only civil war that would remotely be feasible is if the coastline states formed a coalition and told the Feds to fuck off but that would only if ever happen with the abolishment of layercake federalism.
I'm sorry guys. Maybe I'm just frightened with what's going on. All I know is that I have been seeming and hearing people talk about a civil war. That or mass assassination attempts.
Hell the news this morning was talking about 1 out of 3 Americans foresee a Civil War the next 5 years
Alot of people are talking about it there is alot of anger and hate
Where on earth did you see that?
It was all over the TV and online new stuff.
Mmm I think "the view" and. Fox news and Facebook YouTube really all over the place
Can someone explain this to me? I don't get it. I mean I really don't get it. How can a supposedly "democratic" country allow for a position of such high power to be selected without the voice of the people, and then that person gets to sit and make heavy decisions until they either retire or die? How is that allowed?
US Supreme Court Justices rule for life or until they choose to retire. When a new seat becomes available, a new appointment has to be approved by a majority vote in the senate after being selected by the sitting president. Ideally, each party gets a turn at picking a Justice when they have a turn at being in power. The idea of having Justices rule for life was to ensure that if a populist leader got control over both houses of government in the short term that it wouldn't be possible for them to rewrite effectively rewrite significant parts of the constitution through creative interpretation, as it would take a long time to dislodge the existing Justices (by which time things would hopefully stabilize).
Because it is a representative democracy. The person that the people voted for, the president, appoints a SC justice, and the senators that the people voted for get to vote to confirm the justice. In essence, you vote for people who are supposed to represent you.
...And this administration is about to appoint not one, but two justices in the span of two measly years, who will then proceed to occupy the supreme court for decades to come. How smart.
I don't see why so many people idolize the US constitution. So many aspects of it are just poorly thought out. The only thing it has going for it is that it pioneered modern democracy.
Fmr Clinton Aide Implies Justice Kennedy Made Court Decisions Based on Relationship with Trump
That's quite something to say the least, if it's true.
From the same site, Kennedy retired because of Dem "irrationality" to Gorsuch's nomination, and the four liberal justices' hostility to the First Amendment.
https://twitter.com/tedfrank/status/1012597839594229760
Their power is still limited. They don't get to just go and say "Ban X, its unconstitutional." Cases that end up before them have to go from state to federal and than to them and their goal is determine whether the law is allowed by our constitution. Its part of our checks and balances to prevent Congress from banning assembly or other things that go against the constitution. The problem is people forgetting that the government can't just make any law it wants in the US, it has limitations and it is the job of the Supreme Court to judge those limitations. Further complicating this is the fact that Justices can be strict constitutionalists who go directly with what the constitution says and those who are willing to interpret it. It requires a healthy balance.
the way we assign house reps is both bizantine, arbitrary, and unfair and its not even written in the constitution
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